April 3rd, 2017, 10:47 AM | #1 |
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Bad habits?
What are your worst riding habits?
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April 3rd, 2017, 11:42 AM | #2 |
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Holding myself up with my arms leaning on the handle bars.
Lazy
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April 3rd, 2017, 11:44 AM | #3 |
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Getting lazy and not consistently gripping with my legs like I should.
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April 3rd, 2017, 11:51 AM | #4 |
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agreed laziness that make end up working harder in the end.
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April 3rd, 2017, 12:26 PM | #5 |
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Occasionally letting adrenaline get the best of me and outriding my vision. I try not to, but I'm pretty sure it happens once in a while.
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April 3rd, 2017, 12:38 PM | #6 |
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April 3rd, 2017, 12:53 PM | #7 |
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That's your worst habit?
It actually looks in pretty good condition. What does your best Habit look like? |
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April 3rd, 2017, 01:39 PM | #8 |
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Being lazy and relying on my mirrors instead of doing a head check before changing lanes.
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April 3rd, 2017, 02:32 PM | #9 |
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These are all track-oriented:
Early roll-off/coasting/engine braking to slow down instead of actually using the brakes as aggressively as I should. (By-product of a lifetime of driving as economically as possible.) Lazy steering instead of a positive flick and drive to the apex. Too gentle/timid with the throttle. (Fear of high side...)
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April 3rd, 2017, 02:33 PM | #10 | |
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April 3rd, 2017, 02:51 PM | #11 |
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Lmao. Guilty as charged.
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April 3rd, 2017, 07:11 PM | #12 |
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Not looking far enough ahead
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April 4th, 2017, 11:18 AM | #13 | ||
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So besides making you have to work harder and maybe getting tired more easily, what potential outcomes can stem from gripping the handlebars too tightly or not remaining relaxed as you obviously know you should?
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April 4th, 2017, 11:31 AM | #14 |
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Well when I first started going the the track I gripped the handle bars so much that I would have blister on my hands by the end of the day, yup I was really bad to start off with. Then once I was tired, be running even worse lines, braking spots and back on the gas to late just because your to wore out.
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April 4th, 2017, 12:10 PM | #15 |
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I still have to consciously tell myself "relax" as I enter turns if they're going the be the 45 degree lean type. Otherwise I tend to revert to tense mode.
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April 4th, 2017, 01:14 PM | #16 | |
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April 6th, 2017, 11:30 AM | #17 | ||
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What kinds of things cause a rider to tense up in the first place?
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April 6th, 2017, 11:48 AM | #18 |
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I'm not getting tense, but rather I remind my self to stay relaxed. It's often when I haven't ridden twisties for a while, and find myself on the Dragon, for example. Some of those hairpin turns with rocky cliffs just off the road can trigger some tenseness if you let them.
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April 6th, 2017, 12:16 PM | #19 | |
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Actually, it's subtly more than that too. What do you think is the major issue if you unwillingly let your eyes wander?
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April 6th, 2017, 12:23 PM | #20 | |
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April 6th, 2017, 07:31 PM | #21 | |
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April 7th, 2017, 03:30 PM | #22 | |
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Details about the sensation of speed can be found here: |
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April 12th, 2017, 01:35 PM | #23 |
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April 13th, 2017, 10:34 AM | #25 | |
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So what kinds of visual mistakes do people make that can cause their brains to feel sensory overload and result in physical tension?
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April 17th, 2017, 03:38 PM | #26 | |
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Think of it this way:
For sure, focusing a great deal of your attention on reference points is necessary when you are first learning to ride on a track, or when you are learning a new track, because you are essentially mentally stitching together a simple 2D map for navigating the track. While learning mode is very effective for visual programming, it takes almost all of your attention, so it leaves you essentially blind to your other sensations (forces, lean angle, traction), which makes you more of a passenger than a rider. Also, when processing information in this mode, your brain has very limited bandwidth, so if you try to go too fast, too soon, you WILL experience sensory overload, an elevated sensation of speed, and mental stress, all of which produces physical tension. Since visual learning mode has very limited bandwidth, it’s critical that as soon as you have your 2D map of the track established in your mind, you STOP learning it… don’t make the mistake of forcing yourself to stay in ‘learning mode’ lap after lap, or you will be, and will stay, slow. If you do try to go fast in learning mode, you will be far more likely to go bouncing down the road because you will not be able to feel what’s going on where the rubber meets the road. Instead, switch to execution mode. Execution Mode First, by saying you need to switch to Execution mode I’m not saying that after you have established the ‘track map’ in your mind you don’t use your visual reference points. Instead, you use them at a lower intensity and duration… you observe them rather than focusing on them, and you don’t force your attention to immediately switch from one to the next. Instead, you take a visual ‘rest’ and replace the ‘focus’ with a moment of holistic awareness, which provides you with a snapshot of what your other senses are experiencing. Repeatedly switching from visual focus to holistic awareness as you ride around the track establishes a mental rhythm, and this rhythm is where the speed and the art of riding hides, and it’s the gateway to the Zone. So, how do I do this holistic thingy you crazy SOB? Well, at some point (at few laps or a few hundred laps… depends on the rider), the repetition of riding from visual reference point to visual reference point will create an underlying, full-sensory, 4D model of the track along with its corresponding rhythm track (it’s happening even if you’re consciously blind to it). This track model contains information about where you should be, and what you should be seeing, feeling, hearing, etc. at every point around the track. Your pre-conscious mind can determine if your performance, at any point around the track, is OK or in need of adjustment by comparing your track model against what you are actually experiencing. This comparison process is extremely efficient because most of the comparison ‘work’ happens just under the level of conscious attention; only involving your conscious attention if a significant ‘mismatch’ is detected. The efficiency of this type of sensory processing can actually cause a reduction in the sensation of speed (even to the point of slow motion perception) and its corresponding stresses. Switching to ‘Execution’ mode from ‘Learning’ mode may require a leap of faith, but intellectually understanding the processes, their relationships, and their limitations can make it easier to relax into using a rhythmic balance of visual reference points and the sensations in between. Anyway, I hope this makes sense and/or helps. |
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