October 17th, 2019, 03:09 PM | #1 |
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I placed an order with Norton Motorsports for a Graves full exhaust system, a set of velocity stacks and an ECU flash, along with stiffer clutch springs and a few other clutch related parts to improve the sloppy oem clutch. Still a few things on the list clutch wise but I ran out of $$$.
Stripped the bike down yesterday in preparation for the new parts. I should net about 7 hp over stock with the improvements. Got my ecu boxed up and ready to ship out tomorrow. Will update with pics after the install. And a picture of my helper, Luna. |
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October 17th, 2019, 09:03 PM | #2 |
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Awesome! Now you're knocking on door of 60bhp along with weight-savings from lighter exhaust. Should really pep up that Ninja!
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October 18th, 2019, 06:23 AM | #3 |
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so exactly what did the additional 7HP cost you in terms of $$ ?
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October 18th, 2019, 03:30 PM | #4 |
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You don’t want to know.
$805 for Graves full system. 300 for velocity stacks 295 for ecu flash. I did get a $100 discount, so about 1,300 total. It should net about 53 hp. They have tuned a 400 to 62hp or race fuel. I bet the 400 is a beast at 60hp. |
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October 18th, 2019, 05:18 PM | #5 |
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I did the cheap slipon for now, for more sound and foot room. I'm planning to get Norton's ECU flash sometime, and probably my own copy of FlashTune so I can play with it more (I did some EEPROM burning for the Syclone a number of years ago). I'd like to get some stiffer clutch springs too at least. I'm used to the upgraded springs in the 500, and I've noticed a bit of slipping on the 400 (pretty sure it's weak springs, not me accidentally pulling the really light lever while covering).
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October 19th, 2019, 02:15 AM | #6 | |
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October 19th, 2019, 06:53 AM | #7 |
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Eh, that's not a bad price for reliable power.
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October 19th, 2019, 02:00 PM | #8 |
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Scored a gsxr rear shock for $20 shipped. 2016 donor bike. Going to install a set of preload adjusters this winter. Turns out the stock fork springs are almost perfect for my weight.
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October 19th, 2019, 03:22 PM | #9 |
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What’s wrong with OEM 400 shock?
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October 19th, 2019, 04:32 PM | #10 |
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Nothing major. Just a budget based part. I can fit a gsxr shock and have rebound and damping adjustment. Same popular mod that the 250’s used to do. Makes a pretty good difference.
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October 19th, 2019, 05:00 PM | #11 |
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Nice mods!
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If I still rode motorcycles on the street I’d probably step up to a 400... mine is a pit bike now though
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October 22nd, 2019, 09:41 AM | #13 |
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Exhaust came in today. Checked the tracking on my ecu and it was delivered yesterday so maybe I’ll get that coming back early next week.
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October 23rd, 2019, 11:04 AM | #14 |
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so i don't know what happened, but i have been on a spending spree for the 400.
my boss had me go through our factory Ford tooling a few weeks ago. he said toss whatever we will not use at our dealership. so i loaded up three trunk fulls of factory tooling, and sold them to an online vendor. so i guess easy money goes fast. hence the motorcycle parts.... i bought an Annitori quickshifter, some tank pads to keep from scratching my dang tank. a fender eliminator bracket, and a new pair of Alpinestars track gloves. my dog chewed my past pair up a couple years ago and i just could never make myself buy a new pair. i was still able to buy my wife some jewelry she wanted to keep her off my back about bike parts, and i bought the parts needed to rebuild my trucks transmission. i know i don't need a quickshifter, but i just wanted it. lol since when is any motorcycle part a NEEDED item? |
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October 23rd, 2019, 01:26 PM | #15 |
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So ah... I've been looking at this Ferrari.... I think your boss may not need it at dealership, but I can certainly use it!!!
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October 23rd, 2019, 03:34 PM | #16 |
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As long as he says throw it away you can have it!! Maybe you should pick a Ford. And while your at it, how about a service truck? Since we are only a commercial dealer we only sale and service F-250 through F-750. And those dreaded Transit vans.
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October 25th, 2019, 01:02 PM | #18 | |
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October 26th, 2019, 06:09 AM | #19 |
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Pics of the Graves exhaust, installed the Quickshifter this morning. Will wait until the ecu is back and the bike is assembled before finishing setup and wire tucking. My shock came in. Won’t get around to that until the weather cools down enough for me to not feel like riding. According to a fellow 400 owner you can flip the top mount upside down and it raises the bike about 10mm. The shock itself lowers the bike, just like when fitting to the 250/300. In that case on my 250 I bought different length links to raise it an inch higher that stock in the rear.
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November 4th, 2019, 04:58 PM | #20 |
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Tonight’s work is sponsored by Coors Banquet
Installed the Corsa windscreen, and the eBay knockoff rear seat cowl. I went with the faux carbon fiber because I was worried the red wouldn’t match my bike. Reinstalled my flashed ecu, installed an R6 throttle tune with new Renthal grips. will continue tomorrow with removing the clutch cover and replacing the clutch springs and clutch pull rod with upgraded components. |
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November 7th, 2019, 06:07 AM | #21 |
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i got the bike put back together last night. still waiting on the fender eliminator bracket, so no tag or rear turn signals. and at 50 degrees it was a little cool in a t shirt.
the power improvement is simply amazing!!! with the stiffer clutch springs, and cable mod to keep slack out of the cable, the ecu flash, velocity stacks and exhaust this bike wants to RUN!! instant throttle response, noticeable power increase. cant wait to take it out Sunday for a good ride, i am very please with the results the quick shifter was acting up, i could not program it, sent an email to Annitori and within minutes i was sending emails back and forth with tech support, who advised me updating my phone, he said the level i am at causes issues with the shifter app. so i am updating now and will try to get out for a ride after work to adjust the shifter. |
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November 17th, 2019, 05:58 PM | #22 |
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I have a 2018 blue N400, that I have been riding at the track this whole season. Awesome track tool! Here is what I have done:
Full Delkevic exhaust After market air filter Custom dyno tune R6 throttle mod Steel braided lines front and rear Spears clutch spring, and heavy duty clutch springs Race tech .90 springs, heavier weight fork oil Pre load adjusters GSXR rear shock ( to be installed ) Vortex clip ons Anodizing Rear sets Lithium ion battery ( weight savings ) Michelin Power RS tires front and rear The bike handles awesome. I have even done 2 races on it against other bikes in its class. The 400s are taking over on the track, I see more and more of them at each track day. |
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Do you know if he edited fuel & ignition maps tables (like Excel spreadsheet), or if he just dumped full-maps to ECU? From what I can gather, 400 in factory trim is set up similarly to 300 & 250 with lean mid-range and super-rich high-end. Even with full-exhaust and intake, tuners are having to remove fuel from high-end.
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November 18th, 2019, 09:32 AM | #26 |
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in my case of having a tune loaded via flash tune, i have no idea what was done fuel adjustment wise, but i can say my bike runs very well compared to stock. my fuel mileage has dropped to the mid 40's though.
went for a ride yesterday with a fellow forum member at a 400 forum, and swapped bikes for a mile or two for him to feel the differences, he seemed pretty impressed with the power output vs his stock bike. he didn't run it very hard, and likely didn't hit peak rpm range. i have some ebay rear-sets ordered, and a set of woodcraft clip ons. and i swear i'm done buying parts for this bike!!!! |
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November 26th, 2019, 05:09 PM | #29 |
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How do you like the velocity stacks?
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December 5th, 2019, 04:56 PM | #30 |
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I ant speak for the stacks by them selves as I did the exhaust, ecu flash and stacks at once. But I can say the difference is night and day for the entire performance package. The bike wheelies first gear with a quick twist of the throttle.
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December 5th, 2019, 05:08 PM | #31 |
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I bought a set of camshafts from Norton Motorsports, well I actually haven’t yet as the intake cam is not going to be listed for sale until next week.
I’ll be keeping my OEM cams, I try not to modify anything that can’t be swapped back to stock if I can help it Fuel tuning will be adjusting using a piggyback system with auto tune. Leaning to the Bazzaz but not set in stone. May go with PCV. Judging by the specs provided by Norton Motorsports I should net about 5 hp on the top end. |
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December 26th, 2019, 08:43 AM | #32 |
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cams are ground, now waiting for them to ship out. also ordered a thin (0.10) head gasket to bump the compression while i am torn down swapping cams. went with a bazzaz fuel controller, still need to buy the auto tuner box and a shim kit and i'll be ready for the actual work.
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Sounds like a fun project. A labor of love.
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Why not just re-program factory ECU like tuner-shop did? Much more precise than piggyback.
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December 26th, 2019, 07:06 PM | #35 |
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The ecu has been flashed to eliminate the emissions and tune for the velocity stacks, and exhaust system I have. But once the cams are installed I’ll have to reflash or run a piggyback to fine tune further. The closest shop with a good reputation for flash tuning is over a hundred miles one way. Just not practical in my area.
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Software to re-program individual cells in maps is just $400 or so. Then you have unlimited adjustments by changing factory ECU maps. Rather than skewing sensor signals to trick factory ECU. This becomes a problem when you're on edge of map, such as at idle or high-load/RPMs. Then there's no more room to skew signal before you're up against wall of map.
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One of main issues with piggybacks and skewing input signals is you can't adjust fuel and ignition separately. Any adjustments made changes fuel AND ignition simultaneously because it shifts look-up point on all tables. I started out with PC-III then PC-V with ignition-module on my CBR600RR over 15-yrs ago. Then tried Bazzaz for a year before going with fully programmmable ECU. It's much, much better having as few layers as possible and being able to program underlying ECU maps directly. Last futzed with by DannoXYZ; December 27th, 2019 at 02:53 PM. |
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the auto tune is here, got an email saying the cams and head gasket shipped yesterday. i bought an antique tractor a f few weeks ago, and it is taking all my spare time to get it restored and ready to use before spring. the cams are taking a back burner for a few weeks, hoping to be able to tear the bike down around March.
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Let’s see pics of this tractor!
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