November 23rd, 2020, 02:50 PM | #1 |
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Riding Articles You Wish Someone Would Write About?!
Are there any riding topics relating to riding skills or techniques both on and off the track that you wish someone would write about? If you could ask a writer to write ANY riding related article, what would it be and why?
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November 23rd, 2020, 08:29 PM | #2 |
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I would want someone to write about ridding in the rain. Why? Even after riding motorcycles since I was a teenager ridding in the rain always makes me nervous especially when in a turn.
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November 23rd, 2020, 10:24 PM | #3 |
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i would like to see how riding styles and racing lines have evolved over the decades. due to technolgy in tires and equipment,
almost everything else has been beat to death . i do like snakes idea , twice i been down at the track in the rain. |
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November 25th, 2020, 02:44 PM | #4 |
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Meet and greet the "Monster" track girls would be great know all article.
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December 2nd, 2020, 03:28 AM | #5 |
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I like more concrete technique than abstract articles.
Topics I wish I had seen in articles in addition to discussions at the school: 1) Speed scrub awareness and avoiding the often unnoticed crutch of starting the throttle roll on too early and too slow to make up for a slow corner entry. 2) Timing and transitioning from a normal grip "on the brakes" to screwdriver hand to start the roll on mid-corner back to normal grip on the drive out of the corner. 3) Upper body positioning comparisons and use of reference points on the bike. 4) Vision tricks and tips. Other topics: 5) Where to focus first to lower lap times at various levels of riding ability--e.g. getting to full throttle between corners, driving out of corners, corner speed, corner entry. |
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January 6th, 2021, 12:16 PM | #7 | |
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Ha! I won't be writing that one, sorry
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January 6th, 2021, 12:20 PM | #8 | |
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I've just started writing a masterclass column for another motorcycle magazine as well so the more ideas I can get, the better! Thanks! I love the last one, what would you think is a good starting point for lowering lap times?
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Can you go over that? - braking markers - transition to corner-entry - turn-in markers - balancing braking with throttle - trail-braking - different types of apex - entry vs. exit corners - etc. Thank you! |
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January 7th, 2021, 02:57 PM | #11 | |
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Let's start with having markers for things like braking and turning in. We call them reference points or braking/turning in markers. Why do you want to have a marker in the first place? And what is a marker supposed to DO for you? Ideally for any given corner, how many markers should you have? Let's start the discussion and I'll chime in and maybe even write an article about it down the line. Youve listed some great topics here.
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January 7th, 2021, 03:03 PM | #12 | |
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January 7th, 2021, 05:30 PM | #13 | |
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you cant move a brake point forward/ backward without reference point to adjust from. you are riding by feel and feelings can lie to you. |
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January 10th, 2021, 03:33 PM | #14 | ||
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I am much more of a hands on learner than abstract, so the experimenting on the bike bit by bit is what helps me the most. Although the abstract topics are helpful, I have a hard time relaxing on the bike until I am confident in what I am doing physically. I mean that as when I know where my body should be, and when I should be doing what. Regarding the good starting point for lowering lap times, I don't necessarily see it as a one-answer question. I think it depends on the rider and what their baseline is. The "safe" answer for improving rider skills across the board: good visuals and reference points on corner entry. My "real" answer on immediate lap time issues: throttle control on corner exit and trying to get to extend the 100% throttle duration between each corners. Trying to pick up a little extra bit on entry for the period from braking zone to apex gets risky for any given skill level, whereas the drive out and on-the-gas time from apex to the next corner's braking zone will cut more time on the straights. Personally, at an intermediate pace, the latter was what helped me drop time quickly. Then when the plateau hit, focusing on visuals again to try and bump up entry speed helped me start chipping away again. And also, brought along some front end tucks. I feel like one of these answer is going to get me a slap on the wrist though. Haha. |
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January 15th, 2021, 03:34 PM | #15 | |
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So you start with a brake marker and a marker for where you want to turn in.....then what? How do you transition from braking-turn point to suddenly cornering? What should you have done first (Before you start turning the bike?)
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January 19th, 2021, 05:52 PM | #17 | |
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What about any physical actions on the bike? Should you set up your body position well before or at the same time you turn the bike? why?
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January 19th, 2021, 07:14 PM | #18 | |
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i do center on the long straights and shift body before braking, sometimes tho i get caught shifting body while braking, not by plan but i think bieng lazy. goal is to set up before braking to keep the bike setteled at turn in. |
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January 20th, 2021, 08:32 PM | #19 |
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Thought I’d share this. I’ve found this article pretty informative and I’ve had it book marked for years now.
https://www.ridinginthezone.com/gues...g-cornerspeed/ |
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January 21st, 2021, 05:05 AM | #20 | |
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February 4th, 2021, 08:50 AM | #22 |
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Does riding different bikes at the track help or hurt? I like riding the 300 at some tracks, I think it helps me ride the 400 faster. Some tracks that aren’t as technical, I prefer the bigger bikes. In 2020, I got too ride a 300, 400, 600 and 750 at different tracks. It was a fun season for sure. A friend of mines, who is an expert racer and waaaay faster than me said “does riding all these different bikes mess with your head”? What say you Misti?
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For sure, some things can mess with your head, like if you are used to riding litre bikes with all the bling electronics, then switching to a smaller bike without such slick electronics can mess you up a bit. (I seriously forgot how to up and downshift manually once when I jumped on an old R6 after riding the Superbike School BMW S 1000's.) And some lines are going to be slightly different, like riding a litre bike tends to be a little more point and shoot than a smaller bike where corner speed is key to going fast. But, with experience on different bikes also comes the ability to switch back and forth easily- as you said, riding the 300 helps you ride the 400 better. I think that riders that have experience on all different kinds of bikes tend to be faster and better riders overall than riders that stick to just one. It's similar to having SUPER FAST club racers that only ride on one or two tracks....they show up to race somewhere else believing that they are amazing racers because they win at their home track all the time- but find out that they actually suck compared to racers that have experience on many different tracks- they tend to be able to learn tracks much quicker. So, that was the long answer....lol. The short answer is, ride them all! What do you think are the key points or things to keep in mind when you are switching bikes? What things translate and what things don't?
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Looking forward to my season opener at NCBIKE, end of March. I will be taking the 400 and the 300. |
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you back off, your not reeling them back in. you might use power on a less experienced rider who has a bad line and cant hit the exit. power does not make up for a bad exit when everybody else has the same power and uses it properly. i guess what im saying in short no matter what size bike, be on the brake or on the gas. you cant win while coasting. |
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I will say that the thing I found hardest was the lack of a gear indicator -- when you're coming up on the top of the Ridge Complex and need to do multiple quick downshifts there's nothing more distracting than being one gear lower than you thought and ending up in surprise 1st! And since sometimes I manage an upshift going into 11 and sometimes I don't, depending on track conditions, I have to pay more attention than I'd like to keep that mental count straight.
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Yes I agree 100%, after riding years on the track with a gear indicator, riding without one is quite a chore. I put the Healtech gear indicator in and I love it on my 300! It was a very simple install. I have GP SHIFT and it works like a charm. You are using more gears on a small bike so having a gear indicator is a big help! |
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And gear indicators- I. rarely look at mine I think (I'll have to pay more attention!) But normally I'm focused on what my students are doing and not what I'm doing- I seem to go more by the mental count in my head I think. Down down up up up up down down up. Ha! Missing riding! It's been over a year for me, the longest I've ever gone- hope I don't lose all my riding skills! Lol.
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i do know down 2 for this corner, up 1, than down 1 for next corner. as a example. |
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March 16th, 2021, 08:15 PM | #32 |
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how about, how tecnology has affected lap times over the decades. i think woud be a interesting read. it seams every year theres new this or new that, but lap records can stand for many years. |
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That's an excellent idea! What are your thoughts on why lap records can stand for many years despite the fact that technology is always evolving?
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1. track conditions. Often records are broken shortly after a track is resurfaced or similarly treated. On the other hand, as a track ages the available traction, viable lines, etc. all become less compliant and make record setting laps harder. 2. physical limits. For example: as amazing as modern brakes are we're still on Earth, which means applied braking forces are limited by the raw physics of Newton. Bikes can't add downforce as effectively as F1 vehicles and such, which means that braking can't go much past 1G. Top level, record setting riders are generally pushing these physical limits, not bike technology limits. 3. related to the previous, technology tends to help riders but it can't replace them. No matter how good your traction control if a rider adds throttle and lean they're going to risk having a bad day. Top level riders have usually been riding many years and so in some cases the gains are more limited (autoblippers on downshifts are great, but those riders have hit the point where they aren't losing much to do it by hand) and in other cases requires adaptation and tuning to find what allows the technology to be brought effectively to use at a record pace level. 4. weakest link issues. Related to the previous topics, lap record pace riders generally have figured out how to get the most out of their machines and as such can end up in a weakest link situation. If you get a new tire compound it may give some benefit but if the limiting factor is coming from the suspension or engine power curve then it just gives "wiggle room" and doesn't raise the ceiling on the top pace. and a bonus for fun: 5. "weird" physical issues. For example: https://interestingengineering.com/s...s-in-swimming/ -- things like heat expansion can actually change factors like the physical length of the track. While I doubt this comes into play very often or very much it is one of those things that does happen and could contribute.
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