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well it definitely looked like a literbike. i don't think i made a very good back-pack, though. at least i didn't have to do it again last weekend
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:02 PM | #42 | |
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:13 PM | #43 |
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well maybe the heavier riders should lose some weight >.> jk jk its your life :P but hey if you have a little extra fatness maybe good to lose a bit bigger bike or not. ;]
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:20 PM | #44 |
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i think the problem is not people wanting to upgrade to a larger bike but that some people make excuses about why they need to upgrade. If you want to go bigger just DO IT!!!
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:28 PM | #45 |
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what do you care if someone wants a little more power? I personally want something with a little more so I'm not shifting like crazy when i'm running to the store around the corner. I like revving up the bike every now and again, but I gotta take it to 8k in three or four gears just to go from stop light to stop light. Do I want a literbike? noo lol. I'll take a cruiser--something with more torques to get me around with less drama. the vulcan 900 appeals to me because peak torque happens at what would be just above idle for our bikes.
buuuut beggars can't be choosers, and I'm broke, so I guess I'll be dramatic on my pretty little ninjette. hahaha
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:57 PM | #46 |
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Of course there's people out there who like more power. That's why Ducati, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mclaren, etc. are in business!
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August 2nd, 2011, 05:58 PM | #47 |
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You forgot Bugatti.
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August 2nd, 2011, 06:00 PM | #48 |
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August 2nd, 2011, 06:02 PM | #49 |
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August 2nd, 2011, 06:04 PM | #50 | ||
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Let me clarify, now that I'm on a keyboard and not a phone: What I really wanted to point out was that I enjoy having more power, even though I don't use it for higher speeds. That whole "who needs to go above 100 MPH statement?" is a bit ridiculous, if you think about it. After all, a Ninja 250 will easily get to 85 MPH, it's not like anyone needs to even go that fast, right? Should we all trade in our bikes for Honda Nighthawk 250s and Kawi Eliminator 125s? Furthermore, it's not like a bike with a higher power to weight ratio accelerates the same to 70 then and then takes off! 65 horsepower is more fun than 33 when accelerating off a light with no cars near you. In traffic, the 250 was plenty capable of ramming me into most cars in front of me. Quote:
One thing to keep in mind, getting a different bike doesn't always have to mean getting a bigger one. There are a handful of folks on here who got a 250 after having larger bikes. There are folks who trade or sell their 250's and get a bike with similar power or even less. But there is a phenomenon of peer pressure to go bigger every time. That, and going bigger isn't always an upgrade! Compare apples to apples. For example: my Ninja 250 was the top of the 1/4 liter bike heap in 2008. There was no other bike in its class with the performance, handling and styling that was it's equivalent. The ER-6n is a middleweight standard. I like it, but it's not at the top of it's little heap, particularly in the U.S. It was so popular that it was discontinued here, and I bought mine as a brand new 2 year old leftover at a deep discount. So, did I "upgrade" or did I get a bigger bike? The biggest driver for my decision was that I ride 2-up a few times a week with my son, and it wasn't fun on the 250. Yes, before I hear how terrific 250's are at riding 2-up, it worked adequately. It just wasn't fun. So I got a bike that was lower in compared to its peers than the 250. Meh! I was in a dealership today with the guy I work with looking at bikes. We weren't buying, just looking. He has a 2011 Versys, similar in power to mine. We both agree that the Z1000 kicks much ass. And we both come to the same conclusion, neither wants to pay that much for one new, and neither one of us wants to have a bike that gets MPG in the 30s (he traded his Mean Streak for the Versys with MPG being one reason.) To tell the truth, I'll get bored of the ER in 3-4 years, it happens. But honestly, it's got plenty of power to do what I want. I may get a different bike, but I doubt I'll get a larger one like the Z1000.
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But acceleration was always lacking for me personally, and I'd be lying if I said that wasn't one of the reasons I wanted another bike. I was going to install an Area P exhaust and a jet kit, but then my wife and I got our driveway paved and I used the mod money for that. I happened on the ZX a bit later and I got a solid deal and good trade for the Ninjette, so I bought the ZX. I still don't think making a thread about "Don't make excuses or you will get flamed" is productive. I am even more shocked by it being almost40 who started it, because he is a respected member of this community. I normally agree with him on many issues. This is one where I don't. I feel this thread has done nothing but start another 250 vs. SS debate.
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August 2nd, 2011, 06:49 PM | #53 |
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Blah.. I'm selling my Civic and buying a Lambo.. this little Civic can't get me into.. err... I mean out of trouble quick enough!
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August 2nd, 2011, 06:58 PM | #54 |
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I agree on both counts, Bill. My 250R did 85 mph all day long, no problem. So, yes, saying you need more power for the interstate is a horrible and potentially deadly excuse.
Same deal with the power. It is almost always better to brake than to accelerate out of a bad situation. The better choice of course is to ride defensively, being aware of traffic and staying focused, and avoid having to brake at all. I still feel though, that the title of the thread and its tone, which included several all-caps words, was unnecessary. The problem with reality is that it is based in perception. I perceived his original post as a bit negative and fanning the flames. Now people have come in here, reading the thread, and it is starting to turn into another 250 VS thread and there is simply no right or wrong answer to a thread like that and they simply become pointless. I'm out unless someone quotes me directly and I feel I need to clarify. Have fun. I should not have responded in the first place.
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August 2nd, 2011, 07:00 PM | #55 | |
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I HAVE flamed over this issue and dont do it anymore. Hindsight is 20/20. I dont really care if you need or want a bigger bike. (I have one) My only goal with this thread was to WARN others that my original 2 statements seem to start a $hitstorm every time they are posted. It was a warning if you will...... Dont say this unless your prepared to be flamed to a crisp. Thats it......that was my only intention. All the BS (yes I called it BS Cynical) after my first post proves that it is an issue that will be contested with vigor. Your allowed to make any "excuse" you please. 95% of the reasons people give for a bigger bike purchase go unnoticed, they get congratulated asked for pics and then move on.
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August 2nd, 2011, 07:38 PM | #57 |
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So you started this thread as a joke? You know, I forgot to laugh. I will not be taking your ramblings seriously from now on
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August 2nd, 2011, 07:50 PM | #58 | |
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I HAVE started threads that were a "joke" more like a pun or a friendly jab at someone I knew would percieve it as a joke. Thats not the case here. Sorry you feel that way. It really hurts my feelings........NOT
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August 2nd, 2011, 08:13 PM | #60 |
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me and my gf together weight 325ish. the ninjette does fine up steep hills. Stop being lazy....Downshift!!
Edit: Actually closer to 340Lbs Then figure gear and full back pack. No problems besides having to down shift and give some gas.
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August 2nd, 2011, 09:39 PM | #61 |
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But I don't wanna shift! It confuses me. I just want to twist the throttle to change speed.
Does anyone know why it's so hard to get to first gear when I stop? And it's almost impossible to find neutral. Why is shifting so confusing!?!
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August 2nd, 2011, 09:45 PM | #62 |
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Well... in any case. We have a minor shitstorm, over nothing. As usual...
So the whole point of the thread was to identify 2 statements that rile people up? Done. Let's say we end it and leave it at that. Everyone OK with this?
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August 2nd, 2011, 11:22 PM | #63 |
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Ya got my vote.
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August 2nd, 2011, 11:36 PM | #64 |
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But if we dont restate things over and over how will I get my posts past 1k? =)
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August 3rd, 2011, 01:27 AM | #65 |
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I only bought my last liter bike (RC51) so some girl would sleep with me. Now that we are married I sold it and bought a 250. Is that kosher?
j/k
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August 3rd, 2011, 01:58 AM | #66 |
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That's what you get for trying to be helpful. Ass...
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August 3rd, 2011, 03:26 AM | #67 |
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right XD
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August 3rd, 2011, 05:43 AM | #68 |
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right on OP! i agree with those squid excuses!
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August 3rd, 2011, 08:03 AM | #69 |
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lol at people in this thread.
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it's not that it's unsafe on the highway, it's just that it really is lacking power for frequent highway riding.
I did a trip to PA earlier this year, and that'll be the first and last time I do that many highway miles on it. having it wound out to 11 grand pretty well from one gas stop to the next just to keep up to the group is not fun in the least. Don't get me wrong, the bike is a blast in the twisties and is fine for everyday riding but it's really hard to love this thing on the highway. someone else said something about the 250 doing everything that a bigger bike can, and for the most part I'd agree. One of my complaints however, is constantly changing gears on it when flogging it in the twisty stuff. sometimes it would be nice to just stick it in 2nd or 3rd on a bigger bike and worry more about braking points and body position than constantly banging thru gears. i know some people will disagree with what I've said, but it's my opinion. If I had to do it all over again I'd buy the 250. It's a great bike, it's just not for everyone. |
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Round # 1437. Get out your fire suits.
Please, please, dont.................... please. Just let it be.
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how many revs are you turning at 85MPH? I'm willing to bet around 11000 in top gear on stock sprockets. Compare that to my buddies Bandit 1250, where he's doing less than 5 grand. I've said it before and I'll say it again, a 600/litrebike will most likely get the same or better mileage on the highway simply because the 250 is wound right out all the time. you can change that up a bit with different sprockets and maybe sticking to the speed limit, but it's not going to get a whole lot better. |
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Being a frequent mountain rider, I 100% agree. This is one of the only situations in which I feel a bigger bike would be beneficial. I obviously understand why the gears have to be so short for a 250cc engine, and some mountain roads are just fine. For example, in Deals Gap (the Dragon), the bike is fine taking the whole thing in 3rd b/c the speeds in those tight turns with very few straights are pretty consistent, however, on most other mountain roads I've been on, (BRP, Cherohala, for example), I'm constantly shifting as some corners are longer, more straights exist between the curves, plus serious elevation changes affect which gear our bikes need to be in for particular corners. However, though I agree and know if can be annoying, I try to look at it as if it's a game. I like to find the sweet spot for every bit of road where the bike is at peak performance! But yes, there is a TON of shifting in the mountains.
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If gearing is that crucial, you can do sprocket swaps. Make the gears taller. I rode up our local mountain 35 to the 9 and back down and was either in 2nd or 3rd the entire way. I can also make a full turn thru an intersection in 1st without needing to redline it. haha.
A properly set up ninjette is capable of doing highway riding and some spirited fun on the back roads. By proper, I mean carbs, jetted and tuned, and a sprocket swap to make the final drive taller. My bike has 15/43 and it's jetted. I cruise at 65 @7k RPM or 70 @7.5k RPM. 85mph puts me around 9k, although I've never felt the need to go that fast. I have good passing power and a lot of power in the lower gears as well. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but if it was me and the group I was with was going faster than I felt comfortable with, I would drop back and make my own pace.
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yea, a sprocket swap will definitely help with the high rpms, but does that not sacrifice acceleration?
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Not if the bike is jetted properly. Mine has plenty of acceleration off the line and on the freeway. Even without my BRT TIS, it can still haul my 200lb butt off the line easily, even lifting the front wheel. Now, I'm not saying it will be the same. I did lose some acceleration, but not enough to make it dog slow. I can still put 6-8 car lengths in the first 3 seconds of traffic from a light if necessary.
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