Deathproof - Page 4

Jiggles · September 14th, 2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja250

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Originally Posted by ninja250

I'd mostly be worried about tweeking the headtube.

Just weld some shopping cart wheels to the end of some 4130 and weld it on to the bike sticking off and give it a shot at 5mph knee dragging. I'll be the guinee pig if I can borrow the couch for a night or two.

Shall I get all MS paint about it or can you grasp my thought photo?

You see what the stunt guys do right?
They cage it on the bottom and peg it on the back and let it fall on that.
That will bend our ninja I bet. I don't know. Maybe not!

I think Mythbusters need to be involved in this one.
"Can you make a deathproof motorcycle?"
you guys will be short handed in tackling it yourself lol.

Do you have their number???

alex.s · September 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM

you should make a detachable "lean and slide bike" like they have at the superbike school

ninja250 · September 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM

I believe they have a user forum from which their myths are concocted. (Good gracious I think I literally spelled that right first time! Either that or spell checker had a bit to drink)

ninja250 · September 14th, 2011, 10:56 PM

Does it have to be red?!

(lol just kidding I just like how I can post away on Ninjette.org and not get any better in status)

Jiggles · September 14th, 2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

you should make a detachable "lean and slide bike" like they have at the superbike school

That's one idea we had. What they have is more advanced than what we could make currently. But fixed position wheels is something we are going to look at.

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Originally Posted by ninja250

I believe they have a user forum from which their myths are concocted. (Good gracious I think I literally spelled that right first time! Either that or spell checker had a bit to drink)

Submit for me? Kthxbai.

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Originally Posted by ninja250

Does it have to be red?!

(lol just kidding I just like how I can post away on Ninjette.org and not get any better in status)

It won't be red for loooooong

ninja250 · September 14th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Ten foot 1" diameter metal pole with some wheels and some 3/8" bolts and you're done.
MIGHT need some T bracing.

Home depot job, no welding required.

I wanna see some action like they force out of me in the wheelie section.

Ok it's been fun for tonight chao nini

Jiggles · September 14th, 2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ninja250

Ten foot 1" diameter metal pole with some wheels and some 3/8" bolts and you're done.
MIGHT need some T bracing.

Home depot job, no welding required.

I wanna see some action like they force out of me in the wheelie section.

Ok it's been fun for tonight chao nini

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NathanF · September 14th, 2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

fiberglass gets too heavy before it becomes structurally feasible. you might be looking for carbon fiber. but even CF is not strong in the same ways something like a structural frame component is. its strong against compression... its not strong against torsion. if you crashed CF fairings they would still crack and break. the only thing that wouldn't really break would be structurally reinforced framework... ie- a naked bike with a crash cage. motorcycles don't have cages and airbags and crumple zones for a reason... just don't crash the bike and you don't need them.

This is the exact conclusion I have reached in discussing this with setasai - in my opinion, the only way to make a somewhat crash resistant Ninja (ie, one that can fall in slow to mild speeds repeatedly without damage) is with steel directly welded or bolted to the frame in multiple places. And even that is dubious at best.

The fairings will crack, even if reinforced, basically guaranteed. All the epoxy, carbon fiber, etc.. in the world is not going to change that.

If this were my project, I would focus on removing the fairings and welding up a crash cage from steel tube. Would be a fun excuse to get an old and cheap welder on Craigslist and learn how to weld. I really don't think anything else is going to cut it.

Jiggles · September 14th, 2011, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NathanF

This is the exact conclusion I have reached in discussing this with setasai - in my opinion, the only way to make a somewhat crash resistant Ninja (ie, one that can fall in slow to mild speeds repeatedly without damage) is with steel directly welded or bolted to the frame in multiple places. And even that is dubious at best.

The fairings will crack, even if reinforced, basically guaranteed. All the epoxy, carbon fiber, etc.. in the world is not going to change that.

If this were my project, I would focus on removing the fairings and welding up a crash cage from steel tube. Would be a fun excuse to get an old and cheap welder on Craigslist and learn how to weld. I really don't think anything else is going to cut it.

I don't really have a problem with replacing fiberglass fairings so long as the rest of the bike stays intact.

NathanF · September 15th, 2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

I don't really have a problem with replacing fiberglass fairings so long as the rest of the bike stays intact.

It is exceedingly doubtful it will. There's just too much energy to dissipate, and the fairings cannot handle it repeatedly.

I'm telling you man, it's steel or nothing if you're serious about this. Either learn to weld (you will have a blast doing that) or just put some frame sliders on, get rid of the easily broken stuff, possibly including some of the fairings, and try not to crash.

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NathanF

It is exceedingly doubtful it will. There's just too much energy to dissipate, and the fairings cannot handle it repeatedly.

I'm telling you man, it's steel or nothing if you're serious about this. Either learn to weld (you will have a blast doing that) or just put some frame sliders on, get rid of the easily broken stuff, possibly including some of the fairings, and try not to crash.

If fiberglass fails, then this will be one of our next options.

rockNroll · September 15th, 2011, 03:41 AM

Instead of making a cage, I would advise you to install "shields." After being weakened from a crash or two, you could divert power from the warp drive core to sustain them.

rockNroll · September 15th, 2011, 03:41 AM

just sayin

ninja250 · September 15th, 2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NathanF

Would be a fun excuse to get an old and cheap welder on Craigslist and learn how to weld. I really don't think anything else is going to cut it.

why thank you sir!
You just gave me an excellent idea for my stunt ninja.

I believe I just might try and pull that off one day. Hell, frame's already bent.
What damage could I do. Teach myself to weld bungs and wheelie bars.
I like it.

ninja250 · September 15th, 2011, 03:52 AM

Yes yes yes!

Now you need some T bracing. Perhaps in this case "V" shape would be better.

Something from the bottom of the bike extending to say about half of the pole on each side? I'm glad you can see my brain pictures! We just might get somewhere around here after all.

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Jiggles you are also going to need some sort of suspension the wheel for when the poles touch down I believe.. One with very minimal rebound.

Otherwise something is gonna bend. =(

ninja250 · September 15th, 2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rockNroll

Instead of making a cage, I would advise you to install "shields." After being weakened from a crash or two, you could divert power from the warp drive core to sustain them.

Do you have any spare plasma generators I can borrow?
warpdrive.com was out. =(
Backorder.

ninja250 · September 15th, 2011, 04:00 AM

PS
I can't see any way this is going to work right. The pole may flip you and cause a highside.
I better duck out before my ideas hurt someone. It's fun to ponder until you think of it that way.
I need to focus on other things ATM, but I applaud you for trying something different and standing out. Just do it safely

I just think you are getting into making too complex of a requirement. It will require a team of highly qualified and specialized professionals with a fair budget to make something like this. (see NASA,Mythbusters)
It's gonna turn into physics and geometry.

I'm open for the go-kart experiment.

massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 07:10 AM

Come to Oroville. Ill weld you up what ever you bring me

MIG though cause I cant TIG :/

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 11:15 AM

Unfortunately my mom took away my Toshiba Micro Nuclear Reactor so plasma shields are out.

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Originally Posted by NathanF

It is exceedingly doubtful it will. There's just too much energy to dissipate, and the fairings cannot handle it repeatedly.

I'm telling you man, it's steel or nothing if you're serious about this. Either learn to weld (you will have a blast doing that) or just put some frame sliders on, get rid of the easily broken stuff, possibly including some of the fairings, and try not to crash.

Steel fairings? thats pretty badass

Toly · September 15th, 2011, 12:47 PM

Carbon fiber FTW

Suave · September 15th, 2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

That comment was so humorless it gave me cancer.

First off, you haven't added any novel information to this thread making your post 100% useless. You also have no idea what will happen once I implement my designs because you are an ignorant fool. Had you taken a few minutes to read through this thread, or possible even consider the idea, you could have made a relevant and interesting post. But no. I'm not sure what has compelled you to reiterate the opinions of other posters but I can assure you no one cares to read your banal responses.

Now then, redeem yourself and think of an interesting idea to contribute to the project or get out of our thread.

By the way, when this does work, I will rub it in your face

The point im trying to get across is that you aren't going to make anything indestructible. Frame Sliders dont make a bike indestructible, so why would makeshift framesliders work. especially when they are made out of materials not designed to be in a crash. Im not trying to be an ass but it would be a lot better to just take the fairings off if you don't want to damage them.

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

The point im trying to get across is that you aren't going to make anything indestructible. Frame Sliders dont make a bike indestructible, so why would makeshift framesliders work. especially when they are made out of materials not designed to be in a crash. Im not trying to be an ass but it would be a lot better to just take the fairings off if you don't want to damage them.

What if I can make stronger fairings?

Thats the current goal

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 04:00 PM

Anybody know what these are supposed to go to????

bluepoof · September 15th, 2011, 04:04 PM

I'm 99.99% sure my '07 has that, too. I think they're just dingleberries.

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bluepoof

I'm 99.99% sure my '07 has that, too. I think they're just dingleberries.

Hmm, I wonder if we can use them for anything...

Alex · September 15th, 2011, 04:54 PM

They are the front accessory wires. You have another set of them on the right side of the bike behind the plastic cover by your knew. Fantastic feature that was left out of the new-gen bikes. You can use either pair to power a radar detector, GPS unit, radio, etc. They are already fused so you don't need to do anything other than connect them to any small 12v device and they are good to go.

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

They are the front accessory wires. You have another set of them on the right side of the bike behind the plastic cover by your knew. Fantastic feature that was left out of the new-gen bikes. You can use either pair to power a radar detector, GPS unit, radio, etc. They are already fused so you don't need to do anything other than connect them to any small 12v device and they are good to go.

That is actually what I was about to go look up! Thanks! I suppose I just need to get some adapters huh?

Alex · September 15th, 2011, 05:06 PM

Yup - or you could just strip the connectors off and use whatever type of connector you choose. More info on them here:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23743

and can probably continue the discussion of them in that thread as needed.

Suave · September 15th, 2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggles

What if I can make stronger fairings?

Thats the current goal

Adamantium

Jiggles · September 15th, 2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

Adamantium

I'm planning a trip to Africa to go pick some up. You in?

setasai · September 15th, 2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave

Adamantium

or Carbonadium

alex.s · September 15th, 2011, 07:21 PM

I believe the word you're looking for is Carbonite.

setasai · September 15th, 2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

I believe the word you're looking for is Carbonite.

I thought Omega red was made of carbonadium... cuz he was always looking for the carbonadium synthesizer.

rusninja · September 18th, 2011, 02:45 AM

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2603776824.html

i think this would be a cooler deathproof :P

Suave · September 18th, 2011, 12:34 PM

whoever is in for a trip to africa to find adamantium PM me

Jiggles · September 18th, 2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rusninja

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2603776824.html

i think this would be a cooler deathproof :P

Bought it

Alex · September 18th, 2011, 08:30 PM

Sweet!

Jiggles · September 18th, 2011, 08:32 PM

not really

I'm a 250 guy

KawiKid860 · September 18th, 2011, 09:28 PM

Unobtainium?

Boom King · September 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM

Build your fairings out of dark matter. Problem solved. You can thank me later.

Seriously though, I'm very interested to see the final project. As long as the overall goal of safety is not lost, then I applaud someone who tackles the "impossible".

September 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM	#122
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	you should make a detachable "lean and slide bike" like they have at the superbike school __________________________________________________

September 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM	#123
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	I believe they have a user forum from which their myths are concocted. (Good gracious I think I literally spelled that right first time! Either that or spell checker had a bit to drink) __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 14th, 2011, 10:56 PM	#124
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Does it have to be red?! (lol just kidding I just like how I can post away on Ninjette.org and not get any better in status) __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 14th, 2011, 11:06 PM	#126
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Ten foot 1" diameter metal pole with some wheels and some 3/8" bolts and you're done. MIGHT need some T bracing. Home depot job, no welding required. I wanna see some action like they force out of me in the wheelie section. Ok it's been fun for tonight chao nini __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 15th, 2011, 03:41 AM	#132
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	Instead of making a cage, I would advise you to install "shields." After being weakened from a crash or two, you could divert power from the warp drive core to sustain them. __________________________________________________ Always get a second opinion because most of these people are makin' this stuff up

September 15th, 2011, 03:41 AM	#133
rockNroll . Name: rock Location: greenville, south carolina Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): black Posts: A lot.	just sayin __________________________________________________ Always get a second opinion because most of these people are makin' this stuff up

September 15th, 2011, 03:52 AM	#135
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	Yes yes yes! Now you need some T bracing. Perhaps in this case "V" shape would be better. Something from the bottom of the bike extending to say about half of the pole on each side? I'm glad you can see my brain pictures! We just might get somewhere around here after all. [/QUOTE] Jiggles you are also going to need some sort of suspension the wheel for when the poles touch down I believe.. One with very minimal rebound. Otherwise something is gonna bend. =( __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 15th, 2011, 04:00 AM	#137
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	PS I can't see any way this is going to work right. The pole may flip you and cause a highside. I better duck out before my ideas hurt someone. It's fun to ponder until you think of it that way. I need to focus on other things ATM, but I applaud you for trying something different and standing out. Just do it safely I just think you are getting into making too complex of a requirement. It will require a team of highly qualified and specialized professionals with a fair budget to make something like this. (see NASA,Mythbusters) It's gonna turn into physics and geometry. I'm open for the go-kart experiment. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 15th, 2011, 07:10 AM	#138
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	Come to Oroville. Ill weld you up what ever you bring me MIG though cause I cant TIG :/ __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

September 15th, 2011, 12:47 PM	#140
Toly ninjette.org guru Name: Toly Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): KTM 390 Duke Posts: 428	Carbon fiber FTW

September 15th, 2011, 04:00 PM	#143
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bluepoof ninjette.org sage Name: Carolyn Location: San Carlos, CA Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250, 2002 Yamaha XT225 Posts: 597	I'm 99.99% sure my '07 has that, too. I think they're just dingleberries. __________________________________________________ www.bluepoof.com

September 15th, 2011, 04:54 PM	#146
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	They are the front accessory wires. You have another set of them on the right side of the bike behind the plastic cover by your knew. Fantastic feature that was left out of the new-gen bikes. You can use either pair to power a radar detector, GPS unit, radio, etc. They are already fused so you don't need to do anything other than connect them to any small 12v device and they are good to go. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 15th, 2011, 05:06 PM	#148
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Yup - or you could just strip the connectors off and use whatever type of connector you choose. More info on them here: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23743 and can probably continue the discussion of them in that thread as needed. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 15th, 2011, 07:21 PM	#152
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	I believe the word you're looking for is Carbonite. __________________________________________________

September 18th, 2011, 02:45 AM	#154
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mcy/2603776824.html i think this would be a cooler deathproof :P __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

September 18th, 2011, 12:34 PM	#155
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September 18th, 2011, 08:30 PM	#157
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September 18th, 2011, 08:32 PM	#158
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September 18th, 2011, 09:28 PM	#159
KawiKid860 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Murphey Location: Eastern Washington Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Honda 919, 2004 Ninja 500R NAKED Posts: A lot.	Unobtainium?

September 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM	#160
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Build your fairings out of dark matter. Problem solved. You can thank me later. Seriously though, I'm very interested to see the final project. As long as the overall goal of safety is not lost, then I applaud someone who tackles the "impossible".