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View Poll Results: How often do you clutchless upshift? | |||
Never | 76 | 32.20% | |
Rarely | 60 | 25.42% | |
Sometimes | 56 | 23.73% | |
Most of the time | 26 | 11.02% | |
Always | 18 | 7.63% | |
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July 19th, 2011, 01:21 PM | #81 |
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+1 totally agree here. Though I know how to do it in case of an emergency clutch cable snap or something, I never actually clutchless downshift in practice. Clutchless upshifting is where it's at!
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September 25th, 2011, 12:38 PM | #82 |
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I had two separate people walk up to me at track days, recommending that I start clutchless upshifting when accelerating in the straights. Both said that it sounded like I was burning through my clutch, and they were right -- the clutch slips for about half a second when you upshift in high (10.5K+) RPMs. From gear 3 on up, clutchless upshifting has been way smoother and it's easy to tell by listening that the bike likes it better. If I try to shift too close to the redline without the clutch, I usually miss the shift, but otherwise it works great.
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October 10th, 2011, 07:39 PM | #83 |
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CLUTCHLESS UPSHIFTING...anyone???
It's not that I'm encouraging it, but for me, it's one great way of shifting,,been doing it eversince, take note,,,clutchless upshifting, ayt>>> so, is anyone into this... what's your take...be heard...RIDE safe!!!!
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October 10th, 2011, 07:43 PM | #84 |
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would this not be hard on the tranny
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October 10th, 2011, 07:51 PM | #86 |
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naahh..shifting up is quite easy, you simply let off the throttle just a bit then shift.,,that would be no cause for alarm..I do it at any speed under most circumstances...ooopss,,don't forget the clutch when downshifting..RIDE safe!!
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October 10th, 2011, 08:36 PM | #87 |
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i dunno, i like using my clutch hand....otherwise i feel like im riding an automatic
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October 11th, 2011, 04:50 AM | #88 |
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I made this little video when someone else asked about it. All this is clutchless shifting. Do it all day, every day.
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October 11th, 2011, 06:08 AM | #89 |
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November 12th, 2011, 05:06 PM | #90 |
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This poll shows 90% of membership shift with clutch most or all of the time. That would not only answer your question but convey that 90% of membership are also responsible riders most of the time. The other 10%, like alex s. or kevin2109 or cycnical c are irresponsible riders due to riding with their throttles wide open as much as possible, enabling them to shift clutchless all the time, like racers do on tracks. Their the guys you see everyday on the highway giving bikers a bad name by their irresponsible over the top speeding/multiple lane changing "gotta be numero uno" egos and other bad habit practices. Time will catch up to them, probably has in some cases to them and their ilk already, but unlike us they would never post in the "I went down" column. I thoroughly enjoyed reading three pages of posts by riders who use their clutch, it's actually a way of telling others a bit about how you ride, which would be "responsibly." Happy Trails, Ride On! |
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November 12th, 2011, 05:13 PM | #91 |
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It's gotta be happy hour somewhere...
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November 14th, 2011, 06:54 AM | #92 | |
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November 14th, 2011, 02:52 PM | #93 | |
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No, once you get the hang of it its much smoother than using the clutch.
I rarely use the clutch going up other than 1st to 2nd or in heavy traffic. Put a slight preload on the shifter, blip the throttle forward at the same time as you flick up on the shifter & it should work. You can also do it by putting just the right amount of preload on the shifter & blipping off the throttle for a fraction of a second, but that takes more practise. give it a try & see if it works well for ya. the first one or 2 may be clunky but you should get the hang of it after a couple of tries. Quote:
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November 16th, 2011, 01:57 AM | #94 | |
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And I suppose I could ask the same of you. When you do finally try clutchless upshifting (if you haven't already) and realize how stupid you were for baselessly bashing the technique all this time, will you create a thread admitting your mistake and proclaiming yourself the dunce that you are? Or will your ego get between you and the keyboard?
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November 16th, 2011, 04:17 AM | #95 |
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November 16th, 2011, 09:09 AM | #96 | |
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November 16th, 2011, 09:27 AM | #97 |
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@coondog, im sorry you feel this way. Maybe enjoying a nice ride with your buddies will tame your magestic ferocity. Try a warm bath with epsom salt after. Feels great when your vagina gets dry from too much gyno cruising :-) no offense brother, we all ride how we ride,
No need to hate
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November 16th, 2011, 10:49 AM | #98 | |
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On topic: I use the clutch cuz that's my habit.
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November 16th, 2011, 11:44 AM | #99 |
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Even in the race I never shift clutchless.
Makes no difference whatsoever. |
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November 16th, 2011, 12:34 PM | #100 |
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Same here, didn't make a difference in my lap times.
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November 17th, 2011, 09:53 AM | #101 | |
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November 17th, 2011, 09:56 AM | #102 |
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November 17th, 2011, 10:40 AM | #103 |
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My fzr clutch slips when i use the clutch when im getting throttle happy. It doesnt slip if you dont use it.... Not slipping seems to me to be faster than a slipping clutch
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November 17th, 2011, 05:54 PM | #104 |
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November 18th, 2011, 03:13 PM | #105 |
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K question: How do you shift really smooth without the clutch. I tried up-shifting clutch-less today for the first time. It is kinda cool but feels really unnatural to me (Maybe because I have been driving manual car since I started driving 6 years ago and riding 4 months ago). I tried shifting this way a couple of times but I couldn't get it to be smoother than if I used the clutch like some people said it should be. So to be smoother I just need to work on timing right?
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November 18th, 2011, 03:45 PM | #106 | |
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November 18th, 2011, 03:55 PM | #107 | |
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November 19th, 2011, 05:06 AM | #108 | |
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Clutchless is best used when you're accelerating fairly quickly, rather than during slow, in-traffic accelerations. It's smooth as silk when done correctly!
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November 19th, 2011, 11:50 PM | #109 |
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WOW! I LOVE this up-shifting clutchlessly! It is so easy and so awesome! At first it was weird not using the clutch but the quickness (or mental thinking that it is quicker) makes it so awesome. I can't believe how smooth it is. I fell in love with my bike/riding all over again today. Everyone should try this at least a couple of times to see if they like it. At first I was skeptical but it was so nice once I really learned it. I can see how it helps in the twisties when you are leaning off the bike, you don't have to worry about grabbing the clutch. It just frees up your hands/mind and allows you to really focus on the main task at hand.
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November 20th, 2011, 05:12 AM | #110 |
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Yay! Glad you enjoyed your clutchless experience! You're right that in the twisties, it IS nice to use clutchless, but just to clarify, it's important to already be in the gear you want to exit the turn before doing any hanging off. Shifting in the middle of a tight corner (clutchless or with the clutch) is not recommended. All shifting should be done as you're setting up to enter the corner.
REALLY glad you enjoyed your clutchless ride!
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November 20th, 2011, 09:54 AM | #111 | |
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November 20th, 2011, 11:42 AM | #112 | |
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I have used the technique on upshifts, but find it smoother and more reliable not to, resulting in better, more predictable ride and no risk of harm to the bike. More predictable is good. Benefits aren't worth it imho.
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November 20th, 2011, 05:51 PM | #113 |
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glad I found & read this thread. last Saturday I've done some ride with few friends, and got opportunities to try clutchless method on upshifting gear. Bit awkward and few mistake done on first few attempt, but did it like a pro on the way riding back to our town
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November 21st, 2011, 03:50 PM | #114 |
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I still mostly use the clutch but working on clutchless. When I do my part and timing properly its smooth as glass.
I always use the clutch for downshifting. |
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November 21st, 2011, 06:16 PM | #115 |
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Most of us do. It IS better to use the clutch when downshifting, though once in a blue moon I'll do it clutchless. I prefer the clutch when downshifting, but prefer clutchless when upshifting in 2nd-5th gears. Don't try it from 1st to 2nd until you get REALLY good at it.
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November 21st, 2011, 07:06 PM | #116 |
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I'm considering myself good enough up shifting clutchless, but how exactly do we do on down shifting? do we blip throttle opposite way?
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November 22nd, 2011, 05:36 PM | #117 |
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No, but I wouldn't recommend clutchless when downshifting. The VERY RARE times I use it when downshifting are if I need a quick accel, like to pass someone. However, even most of my passes, I just use the clutch a second or two before I make my move. It's very rare (and not recommended) that anyone should downshift clutchless. When clutchless downshifting, it's easier to screw it up, send your back tire into a spin, or hurt the tranny.
To answer your question, everything is the same when clutchless downshifting except you push the shifter down instead of up. You still want to twist the throttle the same way.
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November 22nd, 2011, 05:43 PM | #118 |
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thanks for your detail explanation mate, will not practice cluctchless downshifting, just to experience it
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November 22nd, 2011, 05:57 PM | #119 |
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My pleasure, mate.
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November 22nd, 2011, 06:00 PM | #120 |
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the other situation is if you are downshifting for a turn, while firing a heavy machine gun with your left hand... it gets hard to use the clutch so a clutch-less down shift is perfect. its why old military bikes were left hand throttle and clutch
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