Why you are voting for Obama.

[mustang5.0]

rp is the only one that might not totally be full of sh&t

[massacremasses]

[ungluck]

i'm voting ron paul..again, because most peopel dont pay attention to what is really happening, instead they watch the ****** evening news...mr.paul is pickin gup speed, and a lot of it. the sheep of america will be the hardest thing baout any of mr.pauls ideas, due to the fact that change requires it to actually happen. and out society has become disconnected to actually working, instead of being entitled and stuck with their face in _____ on their i____ while only saying what their idiotic but barely more aware pal says about politics and world news,etc,etc.


mr.paul has my vote, and he will do his best. but he can't change the asshats that populate our great country.


be ready for the war in iran and somalia....

[massacremasses]

^agreed.

[Jiggles]

I liked rick santorums obamaville ads so uhh I guess I'll vote for him

[TylersEM2]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I liked rick santorums obamaville ads so uhh I guess I'll vote for him

gotta love rick santorum!

"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." -Rick Santorum
"President Obama wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob ... Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image.” -Rick Santorum
“Earlier in my political career, I had the opportunity to read the speech, and I almost threw up.” –Rick Santorum, on JFK's 1960 speech about the importance of separation of church and state
“I think the Democrats are actually worried he (Obama) may go to Indonesia and bow to more Muslims.” -Rick Santorum
"Is anyone saying same-sex couples can't love each other? I love my children. I love my friends, my brother. Heck, I even love my mother-in-law. Should we call these relationships marriage, too?" -Rick Santorum

That last one really gets me going. Like he must be ****ing stupid. Does he want to have sexual relationships with his children, friends, and brother? Like what a dumbass to be so ignorant that he thinks gay people love each other the same was as he loves his friends and family.

[Jiggles]

Hmm what douche, I still like his ads tho

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I liked rick santorums obamaville ads so uhh I guess I'll vote for him

That'll be pretty difficult since he dropped out of the race.

[Cab305]

"There are intelligent people voting for him, so id love to hear your reasoning."

This is a loaded question, you are implying that to vote for him would not be an intelligent choice.

So, I'll turn it right on you,

"why don't you like our president considering all the benefit he has done for this country?"

Facts:
Taxes are lower now than ever.
The Economy (ravaged by the previous administration) is on an up tick.
Stock Market has reached all time highs.
We are closing down at least one warfront.
Osama is dead.
Detroit is alive.

Shall I go on? Also please mention what benefits do you see from Romney on the economy, considering he made his money helping to destroy not build companies... Fact, He was a corporate raider.

[Cab305]

Obama being number 1! (worst president ever)

Thank you for making it all perfectly clear, you are just an angry white guy.
Delusions based on nonsense an miss information.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Cab305

you are just an angry white guy.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Cab305

Obama being number 1! (worst president ever)

Thank you for making it all perfectly clear, you are just an angry white guy.
Delusions based on nonsense an miss information.

I am white just like George Zimmerman... oh wait he is Mexican...

Oh wait I am Colombian, you get an F for the day. You might be a racist ... you may want to get that checked out. Shoot I was all for Herman Cain until I realized he was a big pervy goofball.

PS. thank you for making it perfectly clear you are racist.

[massacremasses]

alright I suppose I should try and tackle this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Cab305

"There are intelligent people voting for him, so id love to hear your reasoning."

This is a loaded question, you are implying that to vote for him would not be an intelligent choice.

thats not what I said, but thanks for twisting my words. From this rant I now think you are lacking in that department, but I know some people on here who gave me valid reasons via PM and while I disagree with them I do not doubt their intelligence.

Originally Posted by Cab305

So, I'll turn it right on you,

"why don't you like our president considering all the benefit he has done for this country?"

Facts:
Taxes are lower now than ever.
The Economy (ravaged by the previous administration) is on an up tick.
Stock Market has reached all time highs.
We are closing down at least one warfront.
Osama is dead.
Detroit is alive.

wow thats a little bit of a positive spin.
The economy is in huge trouble, we have a huge deficit larger that is was during the previous administration (which was also terrible imo) How is this better? The stock market is a constant roller coaster. Is that better? I would rather have some consistency than what it is now. Closing down a warfront that shouldnt have been opened, but thats not Obamas fault. But wait didnt he say he'd have them out in 6 months after he took office? What about Gitmo? PUH-LEASE dude.
Osama is a figure head, whooptie freaking doo. Any President who finally had good intel could and would have dont that.
Detroit is alive because of a bail-out. Reward those who are irresponsible... great life lesson right? I dont care about GM, Im glad the workers got to keep their jobs, but.. [insert anti-union rant here] I blame a lot of the trouble they had on irresponsible CEOs, bad cars, and unions.

Originally Posted by Cab305

Shall I go on? Also please mention what benefits do you see from Romney on the economy, considering he made his money helping to destroy not build companies... Fact, He was a corporate raider.

none. did you read my other posts? Perhaps the one that said "Ron Paul or none at all"

Romney is a tool shed. I wouldnt vote for him either.

[Cab305]

Look at your avatar and your forum name....
You have issues dude. P.S. Ron Paul is the real racist.

By the way I'm Cuban... more like Zimmerman than you.
Except for the angry tough guy routine, you guys have it nailed.


By the way this is a motorcycle forum, please keep loaded politics out of it.
You want to post nonsense go to Fox, you want to Troll go to MSNBC. Keep it out of here. I'll still respect you as a fellow ninjettier.

[Cab305]

Politics, nice way to ruin everything.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Cab305

Look at your avatar and your forum name....
You have issues dude. P.S. Ron Paul is the real racist.

By the way I'm Cuban... more like Zimmerman than you.
Except for the angry tough guy routine, you guys have it nailed.


By the way this is a motorcycle forum, please keep loaded politics out of it.
You want to post nonsense go to Fox, you want to Troll go to MSNBC. Keep it out of here. I'll still respect you as a fellow ninjettier.

Yeah! Get your bull **** out of the off topic forum!

But good argument bro, he took a funny picture, he must have issues, I took one too standing on top of my bike, I must believe myself to be superior to everyone and a pompous ass. And his forum name, massacremasses, clearly he's a serial killer right. Because only a serial killer would make that his forum name right? You must be a cab driver.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Yeah! Get your bull **** out of the off topic forum!

But good argument bro, he took a funny picture, he must have issues, I took one too standing on top of my bike, I must believe myself to be superior to everyone and a pompous ass. And his forum name, massacremasses, clearly he's a serial killer right. Because only a serial killer would make that his forum name right? You must be a cab driver.

Jiggles pretty much nailed it, but ill also respond...

Originally Posted by Cab305

Look at your avatar and your forum name....
You have issues dude. P.S. Ron Paul is the real racist.

By the way I'm Cuban... more like Zimmerman than you.
Except for the angry tough guy routine, you guys have it nailed.


By the way this is a motorcycle forum, please keep loaded politics out of it.
You want to post nonsense go to Fox, you want to Troll go to MSNBC. Keep it out of here. I'll still respect you as a fellow ninjettier.

My avatar is one of the many goofy pictures my wife and I took in a mini photo session. My SN name is the one I use on every forum to make it easier for me to remember. It is in reference to the masses I massacred in halo back in the day when I played it on xbox, and now is a reference to the ass I kick in MW3. It is my gamertag and I use it as my forum SN as well. Not sure what that proves.

Ron Paul hates blacks as much as Barrack Obama hates whites. Just because they have loose ties to racists doesn't necessarily make them a racist.

How are you more like Zimmerman than I? You also shot a black kid and are referred to as white? The only thing I was referencing there is the use of race to demonize someone....

Im not angry nor am I tough. I have a wife and child, I go to bed at around 8:30 most nights. I asked a legitimate question and got legitimate answers from most people. This is an off topic section. If you can't handle reading things you disagree with please stay out of this section.

[shiroganeshinobi]

I'm going to leave these links for you all and hope you learn something.

Republican Economic Talking Points Are Baseless and Devoid of Fact

The human paradox that is common sense

[Jiggles]

^ I need cliff notes

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by shiroganeshinobi

I'm going to leave these links for you all and hope you learn something.

Republican Economic Talking Points Are Baseless and Devoid of Fact

The human paradox that is common sense

Im not even going to tackle the second article, but you should read the comments in the first. There are some pretty good seemingly factual rebuttals.

but while I disagree Republicans arent concerned about the deficit they certainly dont have any plans which reduce much. If anything just slow down the growth of it. Paul is the only candidate that wants real change and really wants to tackle the deficit. Which to the authors credit he noted that. People seem to assume I am pro Republican. While I am registered as one, I may as well be registered as an independent, I vote on both sides of the spectrum. I suppose I could be "socially" liberal in some issues, but I digress.

also you were very pro OWS, if I remember right. Not sure how you could stand behind someone who gave so many bailouts.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

^ I need cliff notes

Same here. I don't read good.

[shiroganeshinobi]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Im not even going to tackle the second article, but you should read the comments in the first. There are some pretty good seemingly factual rebuttals.

but while I disagree Republicans arent concerned about the deficit they certainly dont have any plans which reduce much. If anything just slow down the growth of it. Paul is the only candidate that wants real change and really wants to tackle the deficit. Which to the authors credit he noted that. People seem to assume I am pro Republican. While I am registered as one, I may as well be registered as an independent, I vote on both sides of the spectrum. I suppose I could be "socially" liberal in some issues, but I digress.

also you were very pro OWS, if I remember right. Not sure how you could stand behind someone who gave so many bailouts.

Comments with factual rebuttals to what? There are no links referenced, are you telling me you're just going to believe because he said so? Where are the objective facts? The author was not praising Ron Paul. Ron Paul is recused because his plan was the only one proposed which cut the deficit compared to the other candidates. However, if you look at Ron Paul's plan, you will notice something. Here's a link to Krugman's analysis. If you click on the CFRB link, you can see what each candidate proposes. Ron Paul's plan pretty much guts everything. No one voted for him because no one wants that.

The bailouts are behind us. I didnt want it but it happened and I dont want it to happen again. Was it the right answer? Possibly. Yet where is our too big to fail legislation? Where is glass-stegall? Obama made the mistake of trying to reasonable with Republicans as the great mediator. Now legislation isn't getting through mainly because of Republicans and blue dog Democrats.

It's a sleigh of hand trick. Republicans talk about deficit but avoid talking about raising taxes or cutting military spending. Republicans talk about 42% of Americans pay no income tax which people assume is taxes in general yet never talk about the aggregate tax paid on everything else. You always have to look at the other side of the argument.

So the second link, it basically comes down to this. Common sense has the ability to undermine itself.

Examples of this is say inoculation. It defies all common sense to infect someone with virus but that's what we do. The medieval times used leeches to cure disease by sucking the disease making them worse. The world is flat because that's how the world looks.

[austexjg]

Because --

"I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence - But I can't feed on the powerless when my cup's already overfilled...."

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by shiroganeshinobi

Comments with factual rebuttals to what? There are no links referenced, are you telling me you're just going to believe because he said so? Where are the objective facts? The author was not praising Ron Paul. Ron Paul is recused because his plan was the only one proposed which cut the deficit compared to the other candidates. However, if you look at Ron Paul's plan, you will notice something. Here's a link to Krugman's analysis. If you click on the CFRB link, you can see what each candidate proposes. Ron Paul's plan pretty much guts everything. No one voted for him because no one wants that.

The bailouts are behind us. I didnt want it but it happened and I dont want it to happen again. Was it the right answer? Possibly. Yet where is our too big to fail legislation? Where is glass-stegall? Obama made the mistake of trying to reasonable with Republicans as the great mediator. Now legislation isn't getting through mainly because of Republicans and blue dog Democrats.

It's a sleigh of hand trick. Republicans talk about deficit but avoid talking about raising taxes or cutting military spending. Republicans talk about 42% of Americans pay no income tax which people assume is taxes in general yet never talk about the aggregate tax paid on everything else. You always have to look at the other side of the argument.

How many times have Obamas predicted budgets been what was predicted? Do I need to link you realistic numbers? Republicans avoid talking about reducing military spending because its "scary" Unless you are talking about Paul. He talks about it.I just heard him talk about it a couple weeks ago...

Youre right when people talk about "taxes" they are generally talking about income taxes. Of course forgetting about sales tax and such. Everyone pays those right? uh no. Obviously people of the govt.s *** dont pay it. The govt. does.

I dont make a ton, but I do alright, but its pretty sickening to see all the people who cheat on their income tax at the end of the year get big checks back while I get very little back and pay a decent amount in. But I digress.

Not sure how Paul "gutting" unnecessary and wasteful programs and depts. of the federal govt. is a bad thing. Do we need the IRS? Not if we get rid of the INSANE tax code and make something simple like a flat tax. No loop holes, no anything. One tax for everyone. THAT is fair.

but seriously is this really necessary? AND THIS IS TWO YEARS OLD!

but you're missing a huge reason Im voting for Paul, actually you havent even discussed it and you seem to avoid it. So please chime in. Obama passed the NDAA. Plus some questionable executive orders.

You can tell me how any republican would have done the same, but you know what thats not true. The only one I would/will vote for is Ron Paul. While we are bitching about the economy (although a valid concern) our civil liberties are under attack.


note* dont bring Bush into this. Ive already referenced that tool so Im not going to again.

[TylersEM2]

Can you link me to your blog posts about why you support RP? I'm very interested this. I'm almost 18, and I get to vote this next year. I'm not educated on each candidate enough to make an informative decision on who I should vote for. I guess I just assumed that I should vote for Obama because I'm very liberal. I'm all for pro-choice, and same sex marriage. Then again, I grew up in Olympia Washington. We're all a bunch of liberal hippies. hahahaha.
In conclusion, I need more information on both candidates to choose one that is more in line with my beliefs.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by TylersEM2

Can you link me to your blog posts about why you support RP? I'm very interested this. I'm almost 18, and I get to vote this next year. I'm not educated on each candidate enough to make an informative decision on who I should vote for. I guess I just assumed that I should vote for Obama because I'm very liberal. I'm all for pro-choice, and same sex marriage. Then again, I grew up in Olympia Washington. We're all a bunch of liberal hippies. hahahaha.
In conclusion, I need more information on both candidates to choose one that is more in line with my beliefs.

Its in my sig. If you read my most recent be warned its just a rant, and some of my readers were pretty disappointed as they said I had a few good points but just turned it into an angry rant. I am planning on redoing in seriously with less swearing, more factual information, and less emotion in general.

Trying to think about specific Ron Paul posts. There are about random things about him, but I dont know if I have a specific bullet points post. Thinking about it I should write one. Ill probably post that up too in the next few days.

I can be a jackass in my blog, but I do a lot of it for humorous purposes. One problem you may have with Ron Paul is that he is Pro-life. He is Dr. Ron Paul because he used to be an OBGYN, so he has some very specific beliefs on that matter. HOWEVER he believes its up to states and their populations to decide on pretty much everything, including gay marriage, legalization of drugs, etc. While I am very against abortion personally, the only type I think should be illegal is late term, unless the mothers life is in SERIOUS danger. Late term abortion to me is just foul and unethical. Early is a gray area imo. And things like "the morning after pill" I have 0 problem with... but I digress.


TLDR version. links in my sig.

[Jono]

I don't know if anyone else saw The Barackness Monster on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon last night so here ya go...

Link to original page on YouTube.

[TylersEM2]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Its in my sig. If you read my most recent be warned its just a rant, and some of my readers were pretty disappointed as they said I had a few good points but just turned it into an angry rant. I am planning on redoing in seriously with less swearing, more factual information, and less emotion in general.

Trying to think about specific Ron Paul posts. There are about random things about him, but I dont know if I have a specific bullet points post. Thinking about it I should write one. Ill probably post that up too in the next few days.

I can be a jackass in my blog, but I do a lot of it for humorous purposes. One problem you may have with Ron Paul is that he is Pro-life. He is Dr. Ron Paul because he used to be an OBGYN, so he has some very specific beliefs on that matter. HOWEVER he believes its up to states and their populations to decide on pretty much everything, including gay marriage, legalization of drugs, etc. While I am very against abortion personally, the only type I think should be illegal is late term, unless the mothers life is in SERIOUS danger. Late term abortion to me is just foul and unethical. Early is a gray area imo. And things like "the morning after pill" I have 0 problem with... but I digress.


TLDR version. links in my sig.

Thanks man! Just from this he is kind of growing on me. I agree that states should have more power on stuff such as gay marriage and legalization of marijuana. Because then, when I grow up, I can move to a state that is mostly in line with my beliefs. Which will probably be California, hahaha. I'll check out your blog too!

[FrugalNinja250]

I hope Ron Paul gets elected president because it will be the end of this nation in every sense. Once we're reduced to the Somalia warlord territorial model things will get interesting indeed.

[kyrider]

I am voting for RP in the primary in May but now that Romney is a sure thing I will vote for him over the communist in Nov.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by FrugalNinja250

I hope Ron Paul gets elected president because it will be the end of this nation in every sense. Once we're reduced to the Somalia warlord territorial model things will get interesting indeed.

lol what? that has to be the silliest thing anyone has ever said. Going back to our roots, to what the founding fathers intended would be the end of the nation? God forbid a strict constitutionalist get elected... wow dude. wow.

Check out a history book man. There is good stuff in there.

Originally Posted by kyrider

I am voting for RP in the primary in May but now that Romney is a sure thing I will vote for him over the communist in Nov.

I wont. I wont vote for Romney. He isnt much better than Obama and I refuse to compromise my beliefs.

[cuz]

Personally I cant wait to vote for RP

2dayis my BDay(18)

so YES!!!

[kyrider]

I can't wait to vote for Romney in November. There are huge contrasts between him and President Barry H Obama.

[massacremasses]

Other than the typical stances that dont matter that much to me. There arent that many differences.

[kyrider]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Other than the typical stances that dont matter that much to me. There arent that many differences.

Obama care does not matter? Increase in taxes do not matter? Do you think Romney would have the same kind of cabinet? Do you believe Romney would regulate to the extent that President BHO has? Do you believe Romney would abuse executive power like BHO has?

Free country vote your conscience.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by kyrider

Obama care does not matter? Increase in taxes do not matter? Do you think Romney would have the same kind of cabinet? Do you believe Romney would regulate to the extent that President BHO has? Do you believe Romney would abuse executive power like BHO has?

Free country vote your conscience.

1. probably getting struck down, but yeah it matters.
2. honestly they wouldnt affect me, but his plan to reduce the deficit isnt that much better.
3. his cabinet would probably be better, you have me there
4. yes, where I am most concerned (civil liberties) I believe he would
5. Probably. Obama is worse than Bush, but not by much with illegal wars and such.

Thats all I can do. I live in CA anyways. Romney has no chance. Ron Paul has a better chance then Romney if we get the young people out to vote. He just visited here and had large turn outs of supporters.

[shiroganeshinobi]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

How many times have Obamas predicted budgets been what was predicted? Do I need to link you realistic numbers? Republicans avoid talking about reducing military spending because its "scary" Unless you are talking about Paul. He talks about it.I just heard him talk about it a couple weeks ago...

Youre right when people talk about "taxes" they are generally talking about income taxes. Of course forgetting about sales tax and such. Everyone pays those right? uh no. Obviously people of the govt.s *** dont pay it. The govt. does.

I dont make a ton, but I do alright, but its pretty sickening to see all the people who cheat on their income tax at the end of the year get big checks back while I get very little back and pay a decent amount in. But I digress.

Not sure how Paul "gutting" unnecessary and wasteful programs and depts. of the federal govt. is a bad thing. Do we need the IRS? Not if we get rid of the INSANE tax code and make something simple like a flat tax. No loop holes, no anything. One tax for everyone. THAT is fair.

but seriously is this really necessary? AND THIS IS TWO YEARS OLD!

but you're missing a huge reason Im voting for Paul, actually you havent even discussed it and you seem to avoid it. So please chime in. Obama passed the NDAA. Plus some questionable executive orders.

You can tell me how any republican would have done the same, but you know what thats not true. The only one I would/will vote for is Ron Paul. While we are bitching about the economy (although a valid concern) our civil liberties are under attack.

note* dont bring Bush into this. Ive already referenced that tool so Im not going to again.

Yes, you're going to have to link real numbers. I'd like to see the material you read. Republicans dont talk about military spending and raise taxes because they are hypocrites. Ron Paul believes America should stay outta the world's business which I support. Very few people understand how imperialistic the America empire has grown over the years in the name of capitalism.

Ron Paul's version of libertarianism wants minimal goverment and regulation. If goverment has limited power, where do you think the power will go to? Here's a hint, they like to donate to superpacs. The result will actually be worst because you cant hold them accountable like the government.

You talk of the fair tax, but who is it really fair to? Take 10% of someone who makes 30K and 300K. The 3K to the person to makes 30K, it is rent, food, everyday life survival necessities. Take the 30K to the 300K person, that's a beamer they wont get that year. The government takes this revenue to fund their expenditures, but we cant fund some social programs because we're not taking in as much as we did before. So who is the fair tax really fair to?

Your infographic about tax code could be compared to a US history book getting bigger. Here are two separate posts by my favorite economic blogger bonddad. One on Huffpo and the other on his blog. The background he gives tells me he knows what he is taking about and his consistency to explain the data in an objective way proves to me his reliability which is why I link to him a lot.

We already discussed the NDAA on another thread. I see it as the Patriot Act v2.0. Ever since 9/11, we are increasingly seeing the militarization of our police and polices regarding national security. No, you're wrong that you think Obama is liberal and no other republican or democrat wouldnt have passed it.

My point regarding "common sense" is this. Everyone including myself apply common sense to simple to complex situations based upon our experiences. However, sometimes that situation is too complex for our common sense and we get it wrong. For example, republicans like to use the deficit and spending and comparing it to a family. So why are we looking only at spending instead of revenue and high costs? If you were in debt, wouldnt you perhaps work an extra job? Wouldnt you stop buying brand names and get the generic store brand? Another find example is Keynesian stimulus. Spend our way to get out of debt? The fact that these matters arent considered tells you a lot about whose interest republicans are looking out for.

Because of tribalism or confirmation bias, you wont see the wrong answer logically. I dont rely sorely on Bonddad's blog for economic issues, I follow other sites because it's dangerous to submit to confirmation bias. It's like listening to yes men. I used support Ron Paul until the above things were told to me and to always rely on objective analysis and reasoning, the rest is noise. So you would say, what if you're on the wrong side and I"m right? Well, if you do the research, keep the open mind, and put together the dots, you will find that reality has a liberal bias.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by shiroganeshinobi

reality has a liberal bias.

says your world view.


Ill respond to the rest when I have more time.

[shiroganeshinobi]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

says your world view.


Ill respond to the rest when I have more time.

I took the effort to learn about the issues rather than accepting black and white talking points. Ron Paul's ideas are not as great sounding as you think they are. What does going back to our founding fathers intended? Society was different back in the 1700s. Are you saying we should go back to slaves and private land owners holding power?

Society changes like life and so does the Constitutions hence the amendments. You mentioned history books having good stuff, I agree. I think you should look into the glided age around the 1920s. The real problems we see in the economy is due to the nature of capitalism. The government is used to keep it in check. When you deregulate things, you allow things to be unrestrained, think about removing speed limits. Sounds fine out in the midwest, but now think of that in a metro area.

I'll leave this nice series Frontline is doing, maybe you'll learn something.

[massacremasses]

Originally Posted by shiroganeshinobi

I took the effort to learn about the issues rather than accepting black and white talking points. Ron Paul's ideas are not as great sounding as you think they are. What does going back to our founding fathers intended? Society was different back in the 1700s. Are you saying we should go back to slaves and private land owners holding power?

Society changes like life and so does the Constitutions hence the amendments. You mentioned history books having good stuff, I agree. I think you should look into the glided age around the 1920s. The real problems we see in the economy is due to the nature of capitalism. The government is used to keep it in check. When you deregulate things, you allow things to be unrestrained, think about removing speed limits. Sounds fine out in the midwest, but now think of that in a metro area.

I'll leave this nice series Frontline is doing, maybe you'll learn something.

No the govt. is the problem. Corruption runs rampant. Read this That book caused 60 minutes to do a story which caused laws to be changed. But how much of that kind of stuff do we not hear about? I am not necessarily for deregulating anything. Neither is Paul, he is for deregulating at the federal level and letting the states regulate their own. With different populations comes different sets of circumstances. While of course the fed. govt. should still have the power its suppose to have according to the constitution, the rest is suppose to be left up to the states. You can almost even use your speed limit example for that.

You dont have to convince me on the corruption of corporations. Good god, I believe that 100%. However its the corruption in the govt. offices that are helping the big fat rich businessmen get richer and richer. With a smaller elected govt. comes less waste and less corruption.

And wait have you addressed the purpose of this thread? because I just wanted to know about why people wanted to vote for Obama, not why you think I shouldnt vote for Ron Paul. We have gone in circles over these same things and I dont think Ive really learned anything I didnt know or changed my mind on anything.