Long overdue review of my old 2fiddy vs cbr600rr

razorgamez · May 4th, 2012, 10:16 AM

Hey guys,
This is long overdue but I wanted to make sure I had sufficient saddle time to be able to make a proper comparison. First of all I cannot stress enough GET SOMETHING SMALLER THAN A 600+ CC BIKE FOR YOUR FIRST BIKE. Now I'll start:

I'll start with the obvious ones:
- Seating is a lot sportier, will take a while to get used to the new seating position and until you do that your wrists will hurt after long rides. No helping it.
- The stock seat sucks, will hurt your ass. I switched mine with a corbin and it makes a world of a difference.
- The bike feels heavier and more commanding than the ninjette, and also not as flickable as the ninjette but pretty damn good.
- Servicing the bike is pretty expensive, a valve check costs $600 compared to $400 paid on the ninjette for valve, brakes and oil change.
- A lot of people complain about how crappy the mirrors on the ninjette is...well its the same on the cbr lol. elbow takes up half of usable space.

Now onto everything else. Firstly the bike does not get blown around as much as the ninjette. It is a major major factor for me and I love the cbr for it. The cbr is also fuel injected so no waiting for it warm up.

Now the power delivery is a huuugggeee difference... I CANNOT STRESS THE FACT ENOUGH. IF YOU HAVE NOT RIDDEN A BIKE BEFORE DO NOT GET IT. It took me about a day or 2 to get used to it. If you are not smooth with the clutch and throttle the bike will throw you off like a bucking horse. Brakes are also a lot lot lot more sensitive. If you cannot control it properly you will do an unintentional stoppie and have the bike fall on you. Now the Good parts...THE POWER....oh the sweet power lol. Its a huge difference when you are on the freeway and when you have a passenger. Most of the time it does not feel like the passenger is there due to the sheer power of the 600cc. The bike is also super fun on the twistys. The ninjette and the cbr would be on par at the twistys. The clutch engagement is also slightly different. You have a larger engagement zone which make the need to be properly smooth with it even more a priority or the bike um...lurches. And finally the MPG is low...only about 35-40.

PS: The tires also crap out on you every 6k-8k miles.

If anyone has any questions just post and I will reply!

Mocha Man · May 4th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Nice write up! I've always liked the CBR 600s but Ninjas are my clear first choice for a bike

gitoy · May 4th, 2012, 12:02 PM

i have an 04 250 and an 07 cbr 600...

both bikes are a lot of fun but the 250 gets more riding time because it is so comfortable for commuting, no problem on the freeway, obviously nimble in the twisties, 60 mpg...the more practical bike...

now the 600 is great for posing, almost as flickable on the technical roads and canyons...the suspension is a lot better and feels more planted, and very stable...the racing position make it no more than an hour at a time and then a rest break...

so razor, what year cbr do you have?...

Jiggles · May 4th, 2012, 02:21 PM

My 250 got 40 mpg, I don't think you are riding your cbr correctly

gitoy · May 4th, 2012, 02:30 PM

jiggles...i get 40 mpg with my cbr...that is just the way it is...

Jiggles · May 4th, 2012, 02:48 PM

That's not right, you should be getting like 20, man if I get over 20mpg on my Ninja 1000 I think I'll go shoot myself

caps · May 4th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Your MPG is really low.

Jiggles · May 4th, 2012, 04:13 PM

I know, I used to ride the crap out of my 250 and get 40 mpg. On my 650 I would get 42mpgs because I wouldn't ride it as fast as I would on the 250, go figure lol

blink · May 4th, 2012, 04:52 PM

good review

razorgamez · May 4th, 2012, 07:37 PM

03. I bought it with a bit of damage so repairing everything but its in running and working condition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gitoy

i have an 04 250 and an 07 cbr 600...

both bikes are a lot of fun but the 250 gets more riding time because it is so comfortable for commuting, no problem on the freeway, obviously nimble in the twisties, 60 mpg...the more practical bike...

now the 600 is great for posing, almost as flickable on the technical roads and canyons...the suspension is a lot better and feels more planted, and very stable...the racing position make it no more than an hour at a time and then a rest break...

so razor, what year cbr do you have?...

razorgamez · May 4th, 2012, 07:38 PM

lol your mpg is way too low. I used to get around 50-55 going around sf.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

That's not right, you should be getting like 20, man if I get over 20mpg on my Ninja 1000 I think I'll go shoot myself

Toly · May 5th, 2012, 05:18 AM

Good review, but CBR, while being razor sharp is still somewhat docile bike. If you are gentle and smooth, you can get away with many small mistakes on it.
Also I gotta confess: I felt like an ace on Ninja after a season of riding. Now, after a few months and 1500 miles on CBR I feel I can still barely ride her- she is a lot harder to ride well than Ninjette, because the bar is raised so much higher.
Also, I get 30-ish mpg if I ride her like grandma, less if I stay in the powerband...

NDspd · May 5th, 2012, 06:57 AM

Totally agree with you Razor....great review!!

EthioKnight · May 5th, 2012, 07:39 AM

How do you folks with CBRs like the seat height? I've sat on all the 600 supersports from the main jap brands except Honda. I found the gixxers and the zx6rs to be perfect for my 5'6'' frame, the r6 was way too high, but I haven't had a chance to sit on a CBR yet, what do you guys think?

razorgamez · May 5th, 2012, 08:23 PM

On my 03 cbr600rr Im on my tippy toes If i use both feet to stop. I can flat foot one foot easily. btw im 5.7

Quote:

Originally Posted by EthioKnight

How do you folks with CBRs like the seat height? I've sat on all the 600 supersports from the main jap brands except Honda. I found the gixxers and the zx6rs to be perfect for my 5'6'' frame, the r6 was way too high, but I haven't had a chance to sit on a CBR yet, what do you guys think?

EthioKnight · May 5th, 2012, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razorgamez

On my 03 cbr600rr Im on my tippy toes If i use both feet to stop. I can flat foot one foot easily. btw im 5.7

Yeah, I just came back from a group ride and sat on a '10 CBR 600 and it's way too high for me. It's going to either be a gixxer or a kawi if I ever upgrade. tnx.

backinthesaddleagain · May 7th, 2012, 12:26 PM

5'9 with short legs. With riding boots i am on balls of feet when i put them down on the cbr

nst416 · May 7th, 2012, 02:05 PM

You got any picturs of the CBR?

Whiskey · May 7th, 2012, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EthioKnight

Yeah, I just came back from a group ride and sat on a '10 CBR 600 and it's way too high for me. It's going to either be a gixxer or a kawi if I ever upgrade. tnx.

Older model R6 is a nice fit, similar to the gixxer. I'm about your height & didn't like the CBR either.

Or go mad & get an 848, I've never found a better fitting sportsbike

EthioKnight · May 7th, 2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nst416

You got any picturs of the CBR?

Sorry no, I did record the ride though and probably will upload it soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whiskey

Older model R6 is a nice fit, similar to the gixxer. I'm about your height & didn't like the CBR either.

Or go mad & get an 848, I've never found a better fitting sportsbike

lol...It'll be a LOOONGGGG time before I hopefully have the dough to even THINK about a Duc lol, but tnx

, i'll look into older R6s but it's probably going to be a newer gixxer or a zx-6r for me if and when I upgrade.

razorgamez · May 8th, 2012, 10:52 AM

pics of mine are here: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100111

Skippii · May 8th, 2012, 11:57 AM

Your mpgs seem right for me. I get 37 to 55 mpg on the 250, got mid 40s on my cbr600. And got between 25 city and 56 highway on my Ducati 800. Also got up to 56mpg on my Vstrom 1000 after some exhaust mods and fixing the FI tuning the previous owner screwed up that gave me 35mpg max when I bought it..
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May 4th, 2012, 10:16 AM	#1
razorgamez ninjette.org member Name: Neal Location: San Fran Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 ninja 250r Posts: 99	Long overdue review of my old 2fiddy vs cbr600rr Hey guys, This is long overdue but I wanted to make sure I had sufficient saddle time to be able to make a proper comparison. First of all I cannot stress enough GET SOMETHING SMALLER THAN A 600+ CC BIKE FOR YOUR FIRST BIKE. Now I'll start: I'll start with the obvious ones: - Seating is a lot sportier, will take a while to get used to the new seating position and until you do that your wrists will hurt after long rides. No helping it. - The stock seat sucks, will hurt your ass. I switched mine with a corbin and it makes a world of a difference. - The bike feels heavier and more commanding than the ninjette, and also not as flickable as the ninjette but pretty damn good. - Servicing the bike is pretty expensive, a valve check costs $600 compared to $400 paid on the ninjette for valve, brakes and oil change. - A lot of people complain about how crappy the mirrors on the ninjette is...well its the same on the cbr lol. elbow takes up half of usable space. Now onto everything else. Firstly the bike does not get blown around as much as the ninjette. It is a major major factor for me and I love the cbr for it. The cbr is also fuel injected so no waiting for it warm up. Now the power delivery is a huuugggeee difference... I CANNOT STRESS THE FACT ENOUGH. IF YOU HAVE NOT RIDDEN A BIKE BEFORE DO NOT GET IT. It took me about a day or 2 to get used to it. If you are not smooth with the clutch and throttle the bike will throw you off like a bucking horse. Brakes are also a lot lot lot more sensitive. If you cannot control it properly you will do an unintentional stoppie and have the bike fall on you. Now the Good parts...THE POWER....oh the sweet power lol. Its a huge difference when you are on the freeway and when you have a passenger. Most of the time it does not feel like the passenger is there due to the sheer power of the 600cc. The bike is also super fun on the twistys. The ninjette and the cbr would be on par at the twistys. The clutch engagement is also slightly different. You have a larger engagement zone which make the need to be properly smooth with it even more a priority or the bike um...lurches. And finally the MPG is low...only about 35-40. PS: The tires also crap out on you every 6k-8k miles. If anyone has any questions just post and I will reply! __________________________________________________ ....(O_O)....(O_o)....(o_O)....(-_-)

May 4th, 2012, 02:21 PM	#4
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	My 250 got 40 mpg, I don't think you are riding your cbr correctly __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

May 4th, 2012, 02:48 PM	#6
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	That's not right, you should be getting like 20, man if I get over 20mpg on my Ninja 1000 I think I'll go shoot myself __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

May 4th, 2012, 03:47 PM	#7
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	Your MPG is really low. __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

May 4th, 2012, 04:13 PM	#8
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I know, I used to ride the crap out of my 250 and get 40 mpg. On my 650 I would get 42mpgs because I wouldn't ride it as fast as I would on the 250, go figure lol __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

May 4th, 2012, 10:42 AM	#2
Mocha Man Blue Shell magnet Name: Nolan Location: Northwest Washington Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1997 Ninja 250 Posts: 816	Nice write up! I've always liked the CBR 600s but Ninjas are my clear first choice for a bike

May 4th, 2012, 12:02 PM	#3
gitoy ninjette.org guru Name: gitoy Location: rpv, ca Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 04 ninja 250, 05 zzr 600 (sold), 07 cbr600rr Posts: 319	i have an 04 250 and an 07 cbr 600... both bikes are a lot of fun but the 250 gets more riding time because it is so comfortable for commuting, no problem on the freeway, obviously nimble in the twisties, 60 mpg...the more practical bike... now the 600 is great for posing, almost as flickable on the technical roads and canyons...the suspension is a lot better and feels more planted, and very stable...the racing position make it no more than an hour at a time and then a rest break... so razor, what year cbr do you have?...

May 4th, 2012, 02:30 PM	#5
gitoy ninjette.org guru Name: gitoy Location: rpv, ca Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 04 ninja 250, 05 zzr 600 (sold), 07 cbr600rr Posts: 319	jiggles...i get 40 mpg with my cbr...that is just the way it is...

May 4th, 2012, 04:52 PM	#9
blink Always. Name: Alex Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, '05 GSX-R600 Posts: A lot.	good review __________________________________________________ blink-182

May 5th, 2012, 05:18 AM	#12
Toly ninjette.org guru Name: Toly Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): KTM 390 Duke Posts: 428	Good review, but CBR, while being razor sharp is still somewhat docile bike. If you are gentle and smooth, you can get away with many small mistakes on it. Also I gotta confess: I felt like an ace on Ninja after a season of riding. Now, after a few months and 1500 miles on CBR I feel I can still barely ride her- she is a lot harder to ride well than Ninjette, because the bar is raised so much higher. Also, I get 30-ish mpg if I ride her like grandma, less if I stay in the powerband...

May 5th, 2012, 06:57 AM	#13
NDspd 1/4 English, 3/4 Kick Ass Name: Jeremy Location: Dayton, OH Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Triumph Speed Triple 955i, '05 Suzuki SV650S(retired), '11 Ninja 250R(sold) Posts: A lot.	Totally agree with you Razor....great review!!

May 5th, 2012, 07:39 AM	#14
EthioKnight Super Noob Name: Alex Location: Mobile, AL Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, '84 Honda Spree 50cc Posts: A lot.	How do you folks with CBRs like the seat height? I've sat on all the 600 supersports from the main jap brands except Honda. I found the gixxers and the zx6rs to be perfect for my 5'6'' frame, the r6 was way too high, but I haven't had a chance to sit on a CBR yet, what do you guys think?

May 7th, 2012, 12:26 PM	#17
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	5'9 with short legs. With riding boots i am on balls of feet when i put them down on the cbr

May 7th, 2012, 02:05 PM	#18
nst416 A Ninja Riding Ninja Name: Kan Location: Burbank, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 69	You got any picturs of the CBR?

May 8th, 2012, 10:52 AM	#21
razorgamez ninjette.org member Name: Neal Location: San Fran Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 ninja 250r Posts: 99	pics of mine are here: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100111 __________________________________________________ ....(O_O)....(O_o)....(o_O)....(-_-)

May 8th, 2012, 11:57 AM	#22
Skippii Milkshake Drinker Name: Skippii Location: Richmond, Va Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Orange DRZ400-S, 2005 Ninja 250 & Custom Thundercunt Dirt Chopper Posts: A lot.	Your mpgs seem right for me. I get 37 to 55 mpg on the 250, got mid 40s on my cbr600. And got between 25 city and 56 highway on my Ducati 800. Also got up to 56mpg on my Vstrom 1000 after some exhaust mods and fixing the FI tuning the previous owner screwed up that gave me 35mpg max when I bought it.. Posted via Mobile Device

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