Looking for a Slip-on exhaust?

[mariorivera830]

I was looking for the price difference between the slip on and the full exhaust for various brands, when I came across this:

http://www.kandgcycles.com/Two-Broth...-Titanium.html

I know that there is always a debate between full systems and slip ons, but if this is the correct price, then I think that the point is moot.

I have tried to email them (I'm at work and they frown upon cell phone use, but not internet use.... ) and will wait for their response. I placed an order anyway. It came out to just under 45.00 shipped. So I hope I get the actual exhaust and not just a cardboard cut out of it.

My only question is this: from 2008 and up, the exhausts are pretty much the same right? I mean, would this fit my 2012? Thanks in advance guys and if you're waiting for anything else and this is legit, better hop on before they fix it.

[kevheads]

this sounds like only a ring connection between the can and the existing pipe, the shipping weight is only 1 lb.

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by kevheads

this sounds like only a ring connection between the can and the existing pipe, the shipping weight is only 1 lb.

crap.


I guess I better call and check it out. I guess it's true; if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Now that I look at it, I don't know how I missed the weight.

[Reyno2ac]

Did you even read the description?! You just bought a mounting ring for a Two Brothers exhaust. What in the world would make you think you were getting an exhaust for that price!?

"The V.A.L.E. system is Two Brothers Racings revolutionary and patent pending method of attaching our Muffler canisters to the Exhaust tube without the use of springs or welding."

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by Reyno2ac

Did you even read the description?! You just bought a mounting ring for a Two Brothers exhaust. What in the world would make you think you were getting an exhaust for that price!?

Yeah, I did.

The description is the same for all of the products for the 250.

the one I ordered.
http://www.kandgcycles.com/Two-Broth...-Titanium.html
a different one
http://www.kandgcycles.com/Two-Broth...bon-Fiber.html
another one
http://www.kandgcycles.com/Two-Broth...-Aluminum.html

as you can see, the links specifically say canister and the finish....
that's why I thought I could get an exhaust for that price. The only oversight that was pointed out to me was the weight. That was something I missed.

[pop0tart]

Thanks for the link, dude.

It looks to me like it's a brand new ninja 250 in blue with a 2 brothers exhaust for 33 bucks. I'm not a fan of that exhaust, but the price is right!

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by pop0tart

Thanks for the link, dude.

It looks to me like it's a brand new ninja 250 in blue with a 2 brothers exhaust for 33 bucks. I'm not a fan of that exhaust, but the price is right!

Don't thank me yet. There may be an issue as to whether it's actually the exhaust or just a ring... though I will try to call and verify.

[pop0tart]

I was being a smart a**.

Reading is fundamental.

You bought a connector kit. It may cost 2 bros 33 bucks to manufacture the exhaust, but they have to make a profit when they sell to the middleman, and he needs to earn a profit from the consumer.

The cheapest slip on, I believe, is the danmoto exhaust.

[xSean13]

Google searched the part number...it's a "Tucker Rocky" brand item, not Two Brothers.

http://www.powersportjunkie.com/K-an.../tr-292632.htm

Looks like you overpaid for it to.

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by xSean13

Google searched the part number...it's a "Tucker Rocky" brand item, not Two Brothers.

http://www.powersportjunkie.com/K-an.../tr-292632.htm

Looks like you overpaid for it to.

I saw that, but that's a box of shims for a Honda.

I will take my chances, for 40 bucks the payout would far outweigh the cost of shipping whatever they send be back to them.

Who knows it just may be my lucky day

Edit Just finished calling............

They're closed until monday morning. I guess it's just a waiting game until then.

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by pop0tart

I was being a smart a**.

Reading is fundamental.

You bought a connector kit. It may cost 2 bros 33 bucks to manufacture the exhaust, but they have to make a profit when they sell to the middleman, and he needs to earn a profit from the consumer.

The cheapest slip on, I believe, is the danmoto exhaust.

Can you buy just the V.A.L.E. system (connector kit) by itself? I tried google and haven't been able to find it seperately. Is there another name to try?
I have been trying to debunk this "deal" all morning, but I guess I'm just an optimist...

Does the rule of wrong pricing in B&M stores apply to online stores as well? That's pretty much what I'm hoping for. It's happened once for my wife and her fridge when we bought our house.

[mariorivera830]

Here is the receipt that came via email. It looks more official than this obviously, I just copied and pasted it. It doesn't say anything about anything else except for the exhaust itself. Maybe a few fresh set of eyes may find something that would show otherwise.



Receipt

Date: 08-25-2012 11:15
Order id: #4790
Order status: Pre-Authorized
Payment method:
Credit Card
Delivery method:
UPS Ground K and G Cycles, LLC
31415 SW 193rd Ave., Homestead
33030, Florida
United States
Have Questions: 888-505-2634
Fax: 812-961-1931
Email: sales@kandgcycles.com



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City: Moreno Valley
State: California
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Title: Mr.
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Additional information

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Products ordered

Part Number Product Tax Item price Quantity Total
TR-292632 Two Brothers Racing, V.A.L.E. SLIP-ON, Ninja 250R Kawasaki, 2008-10, M-2 $33.99 1 $33.99
Subtotal: $33.99
Shipping cost: $10.17

Total: $44.16

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[xSean13]

As I already said, all you need is the part number, which brings up those shims made by Tucker Rocky. A Two Bros slip-on part number would be:

005-2080406V-B
005-2080407V-B
005-2080408V-B

B = Black series

005-2080406V
005-2080407V
005-2080408V

You did not get the exhaust, sorry, but just cancel it and save yourself the hassle/embarrassment.

Source:
http://www.twobros.com/cgi-bin/shopp...50R-SO-08.html

[Jiggles]

To your original point of slip on vs full, a slip on makes you feel better about the size of your penis so maybe those big mean 600s will stop making fun of you, while a full exhaust actually improves the performance of the bike

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by xSean13

As I already said, all you need is the part number, which brings up those shims made by Tucker Rocky. A Two Bros slip-on part number would be:

005-2080406V-B
005-2080407V-B
005-2080408V-B

B = Black series

005-2080406V
005-2080407V
005-2080408V

You did not get the exhaust, sorry, but just cancel it and save yourself the hassle/embarrassment.

Source:
http://www.twobros.com/cgi-bin/shopp...50R-SO-08.html

not too worried about the embarrassment, never have been. But thanks for research. It shouldn't be too much of a hassle to ship back some shims anyways. Who knows, right? The mortgage is paid so 40 bucks won't hurt for a chance at this. It's not vegas, but it's gambling either way.

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

To your original point of slip on vs full, a slip on makes you feel better about the size of your penis so maybe those big mean 600s will stop making fun of you, while a full exhaust actually improves the performance of the bike

I already feel good about the size of my penis... that's why I got a 250!

That's what I was originally looking for but when I saw the price of (what is probably just a box of shims) that link, I said big or small, my penis will sound nice.

I can't justify the cost of a good full exhaust system to my wife. Cause then that gives her the go ahead for her purse obsession.... and that is a box I'd rather not open.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by mariorivera830

I can't justify the cost of a good full exhaust system to my wife. Cause then that gives her the go ahead for her purse obsession.... and that is a box I'd rather not open.

but just compare a Two Brothers Black series Titanium fancy diamond encrusted overpriced slipon to an Area P full system with her the Quiet Core system is cheaper, much quieter, performs better and looks better.

Just don't tell her that Two Brothers offers slightly less expensive aluminum cans.

[Jiggles]

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[choneofakind]

I'm going to quote you on that just because I like how it sounds.

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[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

but just compare a Two Brothers Black series Titanium fancy diamond encrusted overpriced slipon to an Area P full system with her the Quiet Core system is cheaper, much quieter, performs better and looks better.

Just don't tell her that Two Brothers offers slightly less expensive aluminum cans.

You know what...... I think that's what she does to me with her shoes and purses! Now that I think of it; I'm sure that's what she does.

I had no idea that a "Coach Bag" can cost upwards of $800, then she says that she's not going to spend that kind of money and just "settle" for a $350 Juicy Bag...

I have a bad habit of letting her ask me for stuff while football is on. I swear we spend so much money during football season, and apparently I give her permission every time.... She even has evidence of a few of them.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by mariorivera830

I have a bad habit of letting her ask me for stuff while football is on. I swear we spend so much money during football season, and apparently I give her permission every time.... She even has evidence of a few of them.

well she's doing it right if you know the difference between Coach and Juicy

do it right back!!!! be like, "honey I found a new exhaust for my bike, but it's super expensive "

then come back a couple weeks later, and say, "I found a different one that's cheaper!! , and btw I you" don't mention anything about the full vs slip-on debate. And then get the full system

I attempt stuff like that with my parents all the time. Too bad they see right through me every time when they do their hw to double check me...

[Jiggles]

I think whats funny is that her coach purse is more useful than a slip on Money well spent comparatively

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

well she's doing it right if you know the difference between Coach and Juicy

do it right back!!!! be like, "honey I found a new exhaust for my bike, but it's super expensive "

then come back a couple weeks later, and say, "I found a different one that's cheaper!! , and btw I you" don't mention anything about the full vs slip-on debate. And then get the full system

I attempt stuff like that with my parents all the time. Too bad they see right through me every time when they do their hw to double check me...

She may just get a taste of her own medicine soon, but with our birthdays on the 30th and 31st (which will be our ages too... for the last time for me. ) I am just not sure what I really want. I really like a deep grumbling at idle. I guess we will see.

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I think whats funny is that her coach purse is more useful than a slip on Money well spent comparatively

Man! You are really anti-slip on huh? I guess the major thing for me is that I am still really new to motorcycles and I don't really want to have to rejet, shim (though I may have a new box of them coming to me soon. Lets hope not) and do whatever else has to come with a full system. I would rather just do what is less bothersome. Unfortunately, I don't have alot of free time on my hands anymore. Work, school, family, me time is how it feels sometimes. And I don't know anyone else that is close to me to keep an extra set of eyes on my while I would be doing the work. If I had the time and money I would love to put one on myself, it's just not going to work for me. And I have to be cheap and do it myself If I am going to keep my wife happy with her quarterly purse fix.

[Jiggles]

Then do something else to your bike that you will really enjoy. Upgrading the sound it makes should be the last priority. Surely there is something you would rather do with the bike than make it really loud?

[choneofakind]

Sean and I are like the biggest slip-on haters here

I totally understand the me time thing. I had that issue this summer with 2 jobs to make book money for school. It sucks.

Look through the jetting tutorials and database. I'm positive that within an afternoon, you can easily have the bike re-jetted to run with no snorkel, a quiet core, and some washers/stock jets or 1 size larger main jets.

If time is the issue and money is not, the other option is to take the bike and exhaust system to a shop and have them re-jet the bike by using the dyno. Just tell them to install the exhaust, ditch the snorkel, and re-jet. They'll stick it on the dyno and test different set-ups so that you don't have to. The benefit of this is you'll have print-outs that clearly show what differences your changes have made to the power band.

I do agree with Sean though. If you don't want to spend the time on working on the bike but you still want to make an upgrade to your ninjette, get a new set of tires. They will make a huge difference in how the bike feels and turns and sticks to the road. It's a whole new animal with a good set of tires. I've heard really good things from many members, including racers, about the Pirelli Diablo Rosso II tires in 110 Front and 140 Rear. That might be something you're interested in instead of changing the intake/exhaust/jetting that will still change how the bike performs

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Then do something else to your bike that you will really enjoy. Upgrading the sound it makes should be the last priority. Surely there is something you would rather do with the bike than make it really loud?

I am sure that I will find something that will suit my fancy. It's just that being deaf in my right ear (a small price to pay for free travel to foreign countries) it's really hard to hear the exhaust, especially with my super noisy helmet. So, noise is a good thing for me personally. But I do see your point, it isn't lost on me, it's just that I don't know that I would ever find myself trying to race or go faster than I can go now.

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Sean and I are like the biggest slip-on haters here

I totally understand the me time thing. I had that issue this summer with 2 jobs to make book money for school. It sucks.

Look through the jetting tutorials and database. I'm positive that within an afternoon, you can easily have the bike re-jetted to run with no snorkel, a quiet core, and some washers/stock jets or 1 size larger main jets.

If time is the issue and money is not, the other option is to take the bike and exhaust system to a shop and have them re-jet the bike by using the dyno. Just tell them to install the exhaust, ditch the snorkel, and re-jet. They'll stick it on the dyno and test different set-ups so that you don't have to. The benefit of this is you'll have print-outs that clearly show what differences your changes have made to the power band.

I do agree with Sean though. If you don't want to spend the time on working on the bike but you still want to make an upgrade to your ninjette, get a new set of tires. They will make a huge difference in how the bike feels and turns and sticks to the road. It's a whole new animal with a good set of tires. I've heard really good things from many members, including racers, about the Pirelli Diablo Rosso II tires in 110 Front and 140 Rear. That might be something you're interested in instead of changing the intake/exhaust/jetting that will still change how the bike performs

Now, tires are another story. Those are on my short list! I am not a racer, really all the riding I do is on days that I work (freeway riding) or if I have to go somewhere by myself that doesn't require me bringing anything back.

I have been looking on youtube trying to figure out what size is the best for our bikes. I've seen a few with 150s but it doesn't look like there is a lot of room for much else. I have also read that some 140s are actually wider than 150s? Something about the measured width of the tires... I don't know. I'm still trying to learn what I like. It changes from one day to the other.

Then there are the theorists that say that with wider tires, the bike is less nimble.

It's just like exhausts (full or slip on), I wish there was a way to try one out, or have a place that has a bunch of different ones the hear the differences. Or in tires to try them to see which fits my style of riding (quite noobish, if you ask me.).

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by mariorivera830

I have been looking on youtube trying to figure out what size is the best for our bikes. I've seen a few with 150s but it doesn't look like there is a lot of room for much else. I have also read that some 140s are actually wider than 150s? Something about the measured width of the tires... I don't know. I'm still trying to learn what I like. It changes from one day to the other.

Then there are the theorists that say that with wider tires, the bike is less nimble.

It's just like exhausts (full or slip on), I wish there was a way to try one out, or have a place that has a bunch of different ones the hear the differences. Or in tires to try them to see which fits my style of riding (quite noobish, if you ask me.).

a wider tire carries more weight, which will make the bike feel a little harder to toss from side to side because of rotational intertia. It will still turn just as quickly once leaned over, and the change is only noticeable when switching between tires. It's not like suddenly the bike won't be able to turn at all, but you might feel a little more resistance to turn-in than before right when you switch to a wider rear.

tires are labeled a width, but are sometimes different actual widths. For example on my bike, a Dunrock 130 was 128mm wide, a Bridgstone BT45 was 138 mm wide, and the Pirelli Diablo Scooter tire I have now is about 132 mm; All three of those rear tires are labeled as 130mm wide. It is quite possible that a "skinny" 140 is the same as a "wide" 130 on the same rim.

When you start looking into 150's the issue is different. 150's, depending on if they're "skinny" or "wide" 150's, will pinch in the rim (which is too narrow for them) and will make the profile of the tire different that the manufacturer intended. This will make your contact patch become not uniform as your lean angle changes. However, many have good luck with 150's because even with the pinched tire, a sticky radial (the 150) has a stickier compound than a bias-ply (a 130), and the bike still has grip, even with an inconsistent contact patch.

As for testing out different tires, read through what others have said, or find someone in your area with a 250 that has different tires. If you're doing highway miles, you'll want to look into either a touring based tire or a dual tread compound tire. There are many tires out there with dual tread compound that will do fine on the highway but still stick in turns, you just need to learn more about them and learn which one is for you.

If you couldn't tell, I'm from the school of thought that says a wider tire isn't always better just because it's wider. The tire should fit the rim and the needs of the bike. (a diablo rosso 2 in a 140 or a BT003 in a 140 seems to be a great fit for this bike, but I can't really see a need for a 160)

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

a wider tire carries more weight, which will make the bike feel a little harder to toss from side to side because of rotational intertia. It will still turn just as quickly once leaned over, and the change is only noticeable when switching between tires. It's not like suddenly the bike won't be able to turn at all, but you might feel a little more resistance to turn-in than before right when you switch to a wider rear.

tires are labeled a width, but are sometimes different actual widths. For example on my bike, a Dunrock 130 was 128mm wide, a Bridgstone BT45 was 138 mm wide, and the Pirelli Diablo Scooter tire I have now is about 132 mm; All three of those rear tires are labeled as 130mm wide. It is quite possible that a "skinny" 140 is the same as a "wide" 130 on the same rim.

When you start looking into 150's the issue is different. 150's, depending on if they're "skinny" or "wide" 150's, will pinch in the rim (which is too narrow for them) and will make the profile of the tire different that the manufacturer intended. This will make your contact patch become not uniform as your lean angle changes. However, many have good luck with 150's because even with the pinched tire, a sticky radial (the 150) has a stickier compound than a bias-ply (a 130), and the bike still has grip, even with an inconsistent contact patch.

As for testing out different tires, read through what others have said, or find someone in your area with a 250 that has different tires. If you're doing highway miles, you'll want to look into either a touring based tire or a dual tread compound tire. There are many tires out there with dual tread compound that will do fine on the highway but still stick in turns, you just need to learn more about them and learn which one is for you.

If you couldn't tell, I'm from the school of thought that says a wider tire isn't always better just because it's wider. The tire should fit the rim and the needs of the bike. (a diablo rosso 2 in a 140 or a BT003 in a 140 seems to be a great fit for this bike, but I can't really see a need for a 160)

I only mentioned 150s because that's what came up the most when I youtube'd ninja 250 wider tires.

Thanks for that very knowledgable response. It looks like I have alot more homework to do than just my schoolwork.... I really had no idea that there was so much to take into consideration when making a bike your own.

I guess I will be asking for alot more for my birthday this coming Thursday!
Now back to more tire research.....

[choneofakind]

No worries! I'd rather be here than doing my hw, which I'm attempting to multi-task with right now, but I think a run might win over either of these pretty soon; it's sunny and warm outside and I have energy

I'm actually quite jealous of your tire selection since new-gens have 17" wheels and pre-gens have 16" wheels with fewer tire choices.

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

No worries! I'd rather be here than doing my hw, which I'm attempting to multi-task with right now,.

that's funny because I'm at work right now trying to do my applied calculus homework too!

meh, I personally can't the difference between the 16 and 17 inchers. I guess some people have a more keen eye than others.

I need to start running, now that you mention it. Once I turned 30, I woke up with a sore back and it felt like I gained about 15 pounds my last night as a 29 year old. And it's my fault, cause I love homemade mexican and creole food ( my wife is a mexican stuck in a black womans body!). 225 lbs is a bit too much for me to carry around!

[choneofakind]

I love Mexican food, especially when it's homecooked!!! And creole!!! MMMMMMMmmm!! you're lucky.

I'm not looking forward to when my metabolism slows down... I'm always active and I love it. I don't want to get older and slower!

The wheels don't look that different, but the rims are wider on the newer bike, and allow for more selection, including radials. Radials > bias-ply's. 17" rims are also kinda the standard among street bikes, so 16" wheels on the pregen are old school and so we get shafted whenever new awesome tires come out

[mariorivera830]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I love Mexican food, especially when it's homecooked!!! And creole!!! MMMMMMMmmm!! you're lucky.

I'm not looking forward to when my metabolism slows down... I'm always active and I love it. I don't want to get older and slower!

The wheels don't look that different, but the rims are wider on the newer bike, and allow for more selection, including radials. Radials > bias-ply's. 17" rims are also kinda the standard among street bikes, so 16" wheels on the pregen are old school and so we get shafted whenever new awesome tires come out

Yeah the cooking is great until I noticed my scale tipping the wrong way. Who knows, you may be one of the lucky ones who never loses it. My uncle eats like he has a tapeworm and his weight hasn't budged since the late 80s.

Are rims for motorcycles pretty much interchangable? If I saw a Honda whatever and I liked his/her rims, would I be able to just swap them out, kinda like a car? Or is it pretty much like alot of the stuff for bikes; you have to get what's specified for your make/model?

If I have to, I guess I can just have them powder coated to seperate myself from the rest of the pack, instead of getting different rims.

[choneofakind]

They likely aren't interchangeable without a little machining. They have to be lined up just right to make sure the sprockets are lined up and whatnot.

Sportisi sells a wider rear rim that is the same pattern as the oem wheels, but is 4.5" wide instead of 3.5" wide so you can run a 150 rear without issue. That would set your bike apart a little. samw is the guy in charge of that, and this is sportisi's site

There's also a member here, wandyhee, who sells sets of wider rims with a different pattern, among other things. He's in this thread here.

I've never dealt with either of their businesses, but their products look neat.