No NA '13 250R Announcement Yet?

[Alex]

That's a particularly happy dyno.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Jono

I want a 300 or 400cc ninja in the 2013 ninja 250 body style!!! Please be true, please be true.

[ddrmanxbxfr]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

impressive numbers sir. Get a full system on that bad boy and jet it stat.

What did you do for your break-in period? There's loads of threads on this, but I'm interested now that you brought it up

I had some Mid-range work for the first 150km (6000 - 9000rpm) and then a lot of 600 - 1200km day with WOT for over than 500km on each run...

On 12 000km (Current milage on the bike) half of that is Spirited WOT runs.

The dyno was done at 11 700km on the bike.

Maybe I got lucky.

Though ! First oil change (Probably bad for the engine) was done at 2000km. and then my 2nd at 7000km and 3rd at 12000km.

Suprisingly the bike doesn't take any oil at all !

Only thing I have to say is that even doing small loads on it I CAN'T do under 5.2 5.5 l / 100km (Around 42 45mpg). I don't know why maybe was from the break in I did. Best tank I did was at 52 mpg.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by ddrmanxbxfr

Got to work on your break in methods boys !

250r 2011 Everything stock except Yoshimura Slip on.

Dyno'd at the wheel.

This is one of those over estimating dynos. I'm not sure what the point is but I've seen 2 different types of dynos, one being actual and accurate and the other basically adding a percentage to the hp. Maybe it's supposed to be the power at the crank? Then those numbers make sense for a bone stock 250

[choneofakind]

Sounds like the moto-man method basically. Nice

[ddrmanxbxfr]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

This is one of those over estimating dynos. I'm not sure what the point is but I've seen 2 different types of dynos, one being actual and accurate and the other basically adding a percentage to the hp. Maybe it's supposed to be the power at the crank? Then those numbers make sense for a bone stock 250

You think it would come from there?

Maybe, they put the bike on those rollers and they gave it a wot till redline.

People dyno'd panigale 1199 on the same day same dyno 180 190 hp or so. S1000RR was around that too I recall.

[Lil_Green_Demon]

If Kawasaki releases a Ninja 300R with the body style they introduced as the 2013 250R, I think I'll know what my next bike might be.

[Jiggles]

Yea there is no way a stock ninjette (slip on doesn't do poop) is going to make 30hp. On a good day you will get 26 out of them. Either the dyno is set to overestimate the readings it receives or they are using some kind of weaker canadian horses for the horse power where 30 canadian horses = 26 american horses. Do you guys not use steroids on your horses?

[ddrmanxbxfr]

That may be it, we never know

[Jatan]

EPA excel file: http://www.epa.gov/oms/cert/document...13-mc-ctrr.xls

For Kawasaki it shows:
KLX250S
Ninja 300, Ninja 300 ABS
Ninja 400R
Ninja ZX-6R, Ninja ZX-6R ABS
Ninja ZX-6R, Ninja ZX-6R ABS
VERSYS
ER-6n, Ninja 650, Ninja 650 ABS
KLR650
VULCAN 900 CLASSIC, VULCAN 900 CLASSIC LT, VULCAN 900 Custom
NINJA ZX-10R
NINJA ZX-10R
Ninja 1000, Ninja 1000 ABS, Z1000
VERSYS 1000
CONCOURS 14 ABS
CONCOURS 14 ABS
NINJA ZX-14R, NINJA ZX-14R ABS
VULCAN 1700 NOMAD, VULCAN 1700 VOYAGER, VULCAN 1700 VOYAGER ABS, VULCAN1700 VAQUERO, VULCAN1700 VAQUERO ABS
VULCAN 1700 CLASSIC

[choneofakind]

oh my gosh. read before posting people...

[kingkang204]

It's all about the FI for me. The new style & gauges are just a plus.

[00NissanNinja]

Well we'll probably find out what we are getting here during the event Kawasaki has planned in New York September 13th. Its planned to be a live broadcast from their website too.

[gt_turbo]

mark it down in your calendars!

In a very untraditional move, Kawasaki is readying to assail New York’s Times Square on September 13, with 2013 model Ninjas. A day-long, two-block party on Broadway, from West 45th to West 47th Streets, will celebrate the global debut of the new Ninjas with music, giveaways and celebrity guests. For those who cannot make it to the Big Apple, Kawasaki will be live streaming the “Ninja Times Square Takeover” on the Kawasaki.com website from 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.

“Times Square is recognized as the “crossroads of the world,” and we’re thrilled to be able to share our brand of motorcycle enthusiasm with such a large, diverse group of New York residents and visitors,” says Kawasaki’s marketing director, Chris Brull.

Joining the new Ninjas will be a selection of significant older models such as the original 1984 Ninja as well as the legendary 1973 Z1. And at the end of the day two new Ninja motorcycles will be given away.

Among the scheduled activities will be unique stunt riding exhibitions by former SPEED TV host, Jason Britton, motorcycle drag race instruction from multi-time national champion, Rickey Gadson, and a collection of free activities for individuals and families. Kawasaki will also park the Monster Energy Kawasaki Racing transporter on Broadway and Ryan Villopoto will be there to sign posters for onlookers.

Brull says this unique model introduction “brings the brand’s core authenticity to a broader audience that will be able to interact with our people, our products and the sport that appeals to more men and women each year.”

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/08/2...rk/#more-21493

[choneofakind]

Interesting. Jason Britton is always a great show. I watched him at the Cleveland motorcycle show I got a poster autographed

[Jono]

Come on 296cc ninjette!!!!

[broken neck]

Don't mark my words...

But I'll go with a small prediction here...

Up north we might ended up with the new 250cc, since we already have the 400cc and the 650cc.

But for you down south, you could get an 300cc, leaving no need to fill a gap between a 250cc and a 650cc. It would be 300cc and 650cc for you...

But like I said, don't take my words for it... Just a thought from a guy who must do some cleaning in the apartment while the weather's asking more for a day out on a bike...

[Miles_Prower]

Just have Floyd post a comment about the upcoming 300CC bike and itll come out as true

But if it is true, why does this always happen to me. I bought a new gen coupe, and a year and half later they come out with one with a huge bump in power. I buy a new 250, and they decide to bump up the power. Argh!?

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

Just have Floyd post a comment about the upcoming 300CC bike and itll come out as true

But if it is true, why does this always happen to me. I bought a new gen coupe, and a year and half later they come out with one with a huge bump in power. I buy a new 250, and they decide to bump up the power. Argh!?

Add pipe, power issue = solved

[choneofakind]

Jiggles, even with 39 bhp, the (potentially) ninja 300 would make about 33 hp at the wheel right?

That's like the max you're gonna ever get without doing more mods with an 08-12 bike.

I would rather just have the 300 yo. A little extra torque at lights and out of corners would be nice.

[Jiggles]

What I'm saying is when people complain about the power boost the new one is getting, there is an option to get that same power (I'll guess it at 31hp peak) for about $600

[choneofakind]

but then it's noisy!

[psych0hans]

If y'all get a 300, I'm gonna be sooooooooo jealous.... Lol

[gwilo]

Originally Posted by Alex

Kawi always reports those numbers as crank numbers. The current bike is 31 hp stock as listed in the service manual (24-25 rear wheel). One rated at 39 hp at the crank, would be 30 - 31 rear wheel.

Parasitic loss is a set number of HP not a percentage

If there is a 6 HP loss on the 250 (20 %) there will be a 6 Hp loss on the 300 not 20 % loss

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

but then it's noisy!

Area p is not noisy!

Originally Posted by gwilo

Parasitic loss is a set number of HP not a percentage

If there is a 6 HP loss on the 250 (20 %) there will be a 6 Hp loss on the 300 not 20 % loss

I'm still betting on a 31 hp peak stock. We'll see when we get a dyno of it

[Lychee]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

What I'm saying is when people complain about the power boost the new one is getting, there is an option to get that same power (I'll guess it at 31hp peak) for about $600

People complain because you can put a pipe on the new one and get a bump to... I dunno... thirtyTWO???

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Lychee

People complain because you can put a pipe on the new one and get a bump to... I dunno... thirtyTWO???

Actually no, the new one is fuel injected so if you get a pipe you also have to get a power commander and now you're nearing $1000 in mods. I'll bet a race system on this bike can attain 37 hp, just a guess

[Alex]

Originally Posted by gwilo

Parasitic loss is a set number of HP not a percentage

If there is a 6 HP loss on the 250 (20 %) there will be a 6 Hp loss on the 300 not 20 % loss

It's never that clear, calculating by either method; it's always a little fuzzy. Kawi tends to list things in KW, which then gets converted with some fuzziness to hp. At that point the rwhp measurement is going to depend on the particular dyno. But there are also reasons that the loss can go up more than a set number of hp; one example is that the new bike is expected to have a larger/heavier tire mounted than current bike, which always lowers measured hp at the rear wheel a certain amount.

[CThunder-blue]

Originally Posted by gwilo

Parasitic loss is a set number of HP not a percentage

If there is a 6 HP loss on the 250 (20 %) there will be a 6 Hp loss on the 300 not 20 % loss

You can't say that and use the 250 and 300 as a comparison. They have different engine specs as well as different weights. Parasitic/ drivetrain loss is not a set number. It's a percentage value because HP is a number derived from a ratio. http://www.elec-toolbox.com/Formulas/Motor/mtrform.htm. There are a lot of factors when calculating HP and changes like lighter wheels and sprockets will change the HP results. This change is a ratio. It's not the same as removing a heavy exhaust system (sprung weight) where the value of that weight loss is going to be the same across all bikes.

You also have to look at real world scenarios. Like Alex mentioned, WHP is dependent on a particular dyno. Even then, you could take the exact same bike on the exact same dyno two different days and get different results if they fill in the information differently. When they calculate whp, they factor in weight. A few pounds up or down and your results will change.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Actually no, the new one is fuel injected so if you get a pipe you also have to get a power commander and now you're nearing $1000 in mods. I'll bet a race system on this bike can attain 37 hp, just a guess

i think a well tuned 300 will break 40hp easily.

there was talk of people using the 265cc kits getting 39hp.

[Jiggles]

I don't think the 300 will break 40 hp and I really don't believe people were getting 39hp from a 265cc big bore kit. 15cc's more = Additional 8 hp? Pardon my skepticism

[choneofakind]

I mean Racer x is the exception here just because of the sheer amount of work he's done, so I won't use his bike as a standard for power with a big bore kit, but Wayanlam has the 265cc bore and port right? What kind of power is he making?

Paging @wayanlam yo!! Answer some questions for us dude

[Reswob]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Yea there is no way a stock ninjette (slip on doesn't do poop) is going to make 30hp. On a good day you will get 26 out of them. Either the dyno is set to overestimate the readings it receives or they are using some kind of weaker canadian horses for the horse power where 30 canadian horses = 26 american horses. Do you guys not use steroids on your horses?

I hate to interject facts into this, but even measuring in metric horsepower (PS), 30 is way too high.