November 6th, 2012, 12:39 PM | #41 | |
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I've always preferred sockets, if it's on too hard you use a breaker bar and you don't have to worry about breaking your ratchet. I don't like using cheater bars with wrenches, especially on something like the oil change where you don't have much room to work with, the breaker bar tends to be easier to work with. Also, there's more than one type of extractor, the type you don't want is what is usually referred to as an extractor, and you drill it into the bolt that needs to come out. The type that grips around the rounded off bolt is what you would want to use in this case. Either way, if you ever need to use one of those tools, you definitely need to replace the fastener after you get it off. |
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November 6th, 2012, 12:44 PM | #42 |
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the difference would be a screw-type extractor vs. a socket-type extractor, yes? i was talking about socket type. also not much difference between a breaker bar with a socket and a double wrench bar in the end
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November 6th, 2012, 01:17 PM | #43 |
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socket or wrench... much to do about nothing. you do what ya gotta do to get it loose with what you have or can buy and fix the aftermath.
and alex you negated your "correct answer"
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November 6th, 2012, 02:54 PM | #44 | |
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When you say a double wrench i'm assuming you are talking about using a second wrench to extend your leverage and increase your torque. There are two reasons I don't like doing this. The firsg reason is that when you are working with limited room, the angles required can make it difficult to make it work. The second reason the reason why I quit doing this myself, is that I now like to use the right tool for the job for safety reasons. I talked to a guy in my old line of work (tow truck) who was using this method to pull a driveline, which tends to have very tight bolts. The cheater wrench broke (the "tooth") and the piece that broke off hit him in the eye, blinding him. It's more likely with cheap tools, of course, but in his case it was high quality, either snapon or mac. Last time I heard from him he was trying to get surgery to fix it, but it was a year later and they didn't know if he would see again out of that eye. Of course, he couldn't simply go back to work driving with one eye. Not trying to be rude or anything, but if you can wear gear when riding, you can use the proper tools when working on the bike. |
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November 6th, 2012, 05:15 PM | #46 | |
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I explained my situation to the guy on the phone and he laughed and said yeah its happend a few times on 250's that people have brought in. the bolt is off, oil is drained, new filter is ready to go and now i just have to wait for the filter bolt to come in. I dunno if i can make it. Should also mention the whole process was well over 3 and a half hours. Worked all through the night to get that damn thing off lol. Now its prepped and ready for the new filter/oil then ready to ride again. Wilsons was going to charge me 180dollars (after a 50$ discount) so fck that, no oil change is worth 180dollars. |
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November 6th, 2012, 05:24 PM | #47 |
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i think there is a filter that will screw into the slot without the need for the bolt or cover. can't provide any more details than that though, sorry. maybe its worth looking into for the time it takes to get the new bolt in? looks like you have an r6 also so you're probably fine just waiting for the bolt. (i know if im out of bikes to ride, i start going crazy)
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November 6th, 2012, 05:43 PM | #48 | |
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November 6th, 2012, 06:15 PM | #50 |
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I would say that you needed better grip, since that is what failed.
Take it as an experience: always use the proper tool, six point socket+breaking bar in this case, some pre-soak with WD-40 or any penetrating lubricant, some heat (a hot engine may have been sufficient), some vibration or shock (hammer directly over the head or impact tool). It is just a hollow bolt screwed into aluminum. Best !
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November 6th, 2012, 10:36 PM | #51 |
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Have you......ridden an r6?
Great bike, I really enjoy them. But they're not my favorite Super Sport. Of the ZX-636R, GSXR, R6, and CBR600rr I will give you that it's the sexiest. But I think it's not leaps and bounds better looking and the other bikes are also great ones. Try them all! |
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November 6th, 2012, 10:54 PM | #52 |
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Best lesson learned should be. . . . DON'T USE OPEN END WRENCHES TO LOOSEN BOLTS/NUTS.
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November 6th, 2012, 11:35 PM | #53 |
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November 6th, 2012, 11:38 PM | #54 |
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I use wrenches, I think u r just teh fails
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November 7th, 2012, 12:15 AM | #55 |
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November 7th, 2012, 12:25 AM | #56 | |
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November 7th, 2012, 12:32 AM | #57 |
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Your bolt wasn't over torqued was it? A few more years of wrenching and you will learn to.
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November 7th, 2012, 07:23 AM | #58 |
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That video must be banned !!!
Funny how you fish the bolt with the wrench and try not to touch the oil with your hands.
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November 7th, 2012, 07:35 AM | #59 |
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you need to use a breaker bar or something like that for more leverage.
You'll never get off with the regular socket wrench...
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November 7th, 2012, 08:34 AM | #60 | |
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November 7th, 2012, 10:04 AM | #62 | |
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November 7th, 2012, 10:57 AM | #63 | |
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November 7th, 2012, 11:43 AM | #64 |
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That is unrealistic a lot of the time. If a mechanic gives you a quote, they pretty much stick to it not matter how long it takes. Overnight isn't really an option most of the time. Same deal at the track. If you wanna ride, you fix it NOW.
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November 7th, 2012, 12:18 PM | #66 |
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Well, I am glad penetrating lube seems to work for everyone but me.
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November 7th, 2012, 02:40 PM | #70 |
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You don't even know how true that is. Seems I am caught. hahahahahahah
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November 7th, 2012, 06:19 PM | #72 | |
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November 7th, 2012, 06:33 PM | #73 |
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But...... Hulk smash is usually your best option!
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November 8th, 2012, 09:10 AM | #74 |
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hey hey, it worked. and im a pretty strong dude and that thing was NOT moving. I dont neglect my hands/grip at the gym either so it wasnt poor grip. Even threw on my gloves. Like i said though, the socket wrench isnt new, expensive or fancy...Id gladly sacrifice a socket wrench thats 8+years old then go to the dealership for something like that. I'm also fairly limited on parts/tools to use.
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November 8th, 2012, 12:48 PM | #75 | |
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November 8th, 2012, 12:56 PM | #76 |
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Use a snap wrench or extend the handlebar of your wrench. It much easier.
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