November 26th, 2012, 05:23 PM | #1 |
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November 26th, 2012, 05:25 PM | #2 |
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3 of my friends have these and swear by them
they scare the **** out of me and i would never use one though... what if you pass out or for some reason fall off or have some other kind of conciousness issue... instead of naturally rolling off the throttle and the bike slowing itself down until it falls over, it keeps going the same speed until you slam into that semi truck
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November 26th, 2012, 07:03 PM | #3 |
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Well that thing is not a permanent cruise control device...
My friend has it on his BMW f 650gs and the throttle roll off by itself, not as fast a letting it go. It's more of an help for relaxing the right hand while riding a long time on a straight road... I want one, but too lazy to ride to the store... Maybe next year... |
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November 26th, 2012, 08:14 PM | #4 |
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I have an o-ring on my bar end for cruise. I rarely use it though unless on the interstate for a while and need a rest.
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November 27th, 2012, 02:06 AM | #5 |
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I use this one works very well, I only use it when traffic density is low and then just to give the right hand a rest. They work best with big motors as they don't change speed when you are on small hills. Even the 650 changed speed quite a lot on the highway with small gradients.
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November 27th, 2012, 06:31 AM | #6 | |
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Pre-1960, many bikes had a throttle grip that was not returning by itself. There is a very important safety mechanism made mandatory by many governments after that time: the self-closing throttle. "Twist-grip throttle (Right handlebar): Must be self-closing to idle in a clockwise direction after release of hand." You are going back 50 years, guys!!
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November 27th, 2012, 06:33 AM | #7 |
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November 27th, 2012, 10:20 AM | #8 |
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yeah i'd be down for one of those. i know a few people who use those and they seem like a much better idea than a real throttle lock.
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November 27th, 2012, 02:21 PM | #9 |
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I put one of those on my bike before I drove it off the showroom floor. I love it.
That being said, I want a throttle lock too, I hate not being able to take my right hand off the throttle, when it is really cold I can take my left hand off the handlebar and close it, grip it behind the windscreen, and warm it back up a little, the right hand doesn't get that luxury. That cramp buster is great though, it makes it easier to not grip the throttle too hard, in fact, I really don't grip either bar, just have my hands on them, and throttle with my palm. |
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November 27th, 2012, 02:22 PM | #10 | |
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November 27th, 2012, 02:31 PM | #11 |
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yes. anything that encourages someone who is in control of a massive hunk of steel to not focus on what they are doing scares the **** out of me.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:03 PM | #13 |
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does your car have radar adaptive cruise control?
sorry if this sounds mean or asshole'ish, but if trying to maintain a speed is too much for you to do while focusing on driving you should not be driving. period.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:11 PM | #14 |
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I have one of these throttle lock devices on my bike. I actually find it to be more annoying than it is convenient... Holding the throttle at a certain position would probably be useful ONLY on a perfectly flat, straight road with constant weather conditions and no traffic.
Otherwise I find that no sooner have I activated the throttle lock on the highway, that I need to turn it off again because I'm approaching a car, the speed didn't set quite where I wanted it, or a hill / curve came up that required me to adjust the throttle. AND ESPECIALLY: no matter where I lock the throttle, the bike seems to slowly either accelerate or decelerate over time. Can't get a nice balance of constant speed. I'd REALLY prefer something like in a car, that maintains a constant MPH, rather than throttle position. |
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November 27th, 2012, 03:16 PM | #15 | |
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Besides, everyone knows the story of the guy that set the cruise in his RV and then went to the kitchen to get himself a sandwich. Because apparently cruise control is now autopilot... if one person did it, others have and will as well.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:27 PM | #16 | ||
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November 27th, 2012, 03:35 PM | #17 | |
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Idk cruise control scares me, it always has. It used to scare me on my lawnmower. You don't realize how much "involuntary throttle control" goes on until you're your hurling around a tree on a lawnmower on 2 wheels hanging of the other side so it doesn't flip... and yes that really has happened. I used to have an old 60's 20 HP Cub Cadet that didn't really have any sort of limit on speed. Plus I didn't have the mow deck on it because it was used to haul, so it was incredibly light.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:38 PM | #18 |
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don't get me wrong. if you are pulling a 600 mile trip through the grape vine, by all means.
...but, commuting with traffic?
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November 27th, 2012, 03:39 PM | #19 |
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I disagree. I find it's much more likely that people like spreading silly urban legends that make someone (older/younger/darker/lighter/more educated/less educated/local/non-local) than themselves seem stupid. Especially if it relates to something that the fictional individual owns that they themselves don't.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:41 PM | #20 |
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It's just a tool. It sets speed. If someone is using it to turn their brain off and ends up running into cars/trucks/nuns in their path, I'm not convinced that same driver would be any better without access to that same tool.
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November 27th, 2012, 03:44 PM | #21 | |
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November 27th, 2012, 03:44 PM | #22 |
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yeah. fair enough. i guess what i mean is, there are plenty of drivers who run into people by themselves... it seems to me that those people generally do a lot worse when you give them tools like cruise control (then they start paying attention to other things instead of using that extra attention to focus on the road)
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November 27th, 2012, 03:52 PM | #23 |
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As long as your car/truck is new enough to not have a vacuum line cruise control, which held throttle at a set position, cruise keeps the speed w/in a set range unless you have a stick and you have to go up a nasty hill.
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November 27th, 2012, 04:08 PM | #24 |
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No reason that any bike that already has an electronic throttle set up shouldn't have this feature onboard already. It's criminal that Ducati has thousands of dollars of electronics on the Multistrada, yet leaves this feature out. BMW has the same electronics across its line, yet it left the feature out on its GS models up until this year, probably because it provides the wrong "image" for a rugged bike like that. Even though the entire powertrain and electronics setup was identical to their other bikes that do include the cruise feature. For 2013, they are finally offering it on the GS, as Triumph put it on their new Explorer adventure bike as a differentiating feature.
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November 27th, 2012, 06:16 PM | #25 | |
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The thread's tittle does not describe what the OP's video shows. Cruise control automatically modulates the volume of air-fuel aspired by the engine, regardless the torque demand. Actually, the automatic transmission shifts accordingly. It is a whole system able to make decisions that also keep a high level of safety. The shown device locks the volume of air-fuel aspired by the engine; hence, the motorcycle will modulate the speed according to the torque demand. If, after a low-side, the leg of the biker is trapped under a bike "upgraded" with this device, certain amount of HP's may end up rubbing against his skin at least for a few seconds until the engine stalls (unless the bike has a safety tip switch). "Cruise control (sometimes known as speed control or autocruise) is a system that automatically controls the speed of a motor vehicle. The system takes over the throttle of the car to maintain a steady speed as set by the driver. ....... All cruise control systems must be capable of being turned off both explicitly and automatically when the driver depresses the brake, and often also the clutch. Cruise control often includes a memory feature to resume the set speed after braking, and a coast feature to reduce the set speed without braking." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_control Ships, airplanes and locomotives all have throttles that stay in one position without automatic return to idle; ........ but motorcycles..........
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November 28th, 2012, 05:48 AM | #26 | |
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November 28th, 2012, 05:29 PM | #27 |
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I'll be one of those in favor of cruise control.
Out here, long, flat, and straight are the rule. Going 70-80 on I-80 or Hwy 50 for hours on end is exhausting on my hand. I would love to be able to dropp my right hand for awhile just to give my hand, wrist, arm, back, neck a break. In the car, cruise control is awesome. I use is every time I get out of town to be able to pay attention to the road cause of idiots around here. Remote does not mean lawless! It irritates me how inconsistent drivers are with their speed. I'll set it to the limit and either have a moron hopscotch around me cause they can't make up their mind if they want to speed or play it safe, or I end up breathing down the neck of driver who thinks that the limit is the maximum and prefers 20 under.
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Good to know that some bikes are finally coming with it standard... I looked up some pre-made kits... this website sells kits for specific bikes for around $1000 http://www.mccruise.com/collections/kawasaki I suspect it wouldn't be rocket science to make your own, if you were electronically inclined enough to create a chip and a servo to hold the throttle, and so forth. It's about time already! Give us electronic cruise! |
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November 29th, 2012, 08:05 AM | #29 |
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My Japanese car isn't even a year old. 5-speed manual with no cruise control. Didn't want it.
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November 29th, 2012, 09:24 AM | #30 |
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Put me in the 'please' camp -- this is the product I REALLY want, but I called and they said that with sports style bikes there were clearance issues with the tank -- brakeawayproducts.com -- if anyone wants to experiment though I'm all ears
When I'm gong between Vegas and LA though I have to pull onto the side of I15 once or twice JUST to rest my hand -- it's not a matter of paying attention, just having this to hold it in place for 30-60 seconds so I can flex my fingers/palm back and forth a few times, maybe stretch my arm if it's super clear traffic. |
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November 29th, 2012, 10:30 AM | #31 | |
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For the record, there's lots of similar brands out there, unless it has to be brakeawayproducts.com -- you should check out: http://www.motorcyclegear.com/parts/...e_control.html http://throttlemeister.com/ And just search google for "motorcycle universal throttle lock" |
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November 29th, 2012, 11:15 AM | #32 |
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Thanks for the suggestions Fappy; the reason I love the brake away is the auto-disengage on using the front brake -- those don't look to have that feature but I'll definitely keep them in mind if I pull the trigger (my bike budget is totally blown ATM, so it will be a bit -- especially with my surgery next week)
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November 29th, 2012, 12:24 PM | #33 |
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I never used it in any car and never used it on a bike.. for me, it about being alert and in tune with what going on...
just like i dont use a radio when i drive, just to hear my motor (except in the wifes econo car, its new)
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November 29th, 2012, 12:32 PM | #34 | |
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November 29th, 2012, 07:06 PM | #35 |
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They could make a throttle lock that could use a solenoid to lightly hold the pulley on the carbs where it is, and some sort of basic chip could probably allow you to activate it, and have a cancel feature that could tap into the brake switch or just have a little momentary on switch that could clip to the brake cable or something.
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November 29th, 2012, 09:39 PM | #36 |
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November 30th, 2012, 04:46 AM | #37 | |
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Wonder how well this would adapt on a motorcycle, maybe some sort of pin next to the kill switch, that when pulled, would do the same as hitting the kill switch. I wonder if something like that is already on the market, or how well it would sell if someone brought something like that to the market. |
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