February 6th, 2013, 02:02 PM | #1 |
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February 6th, 2013, 02:04 PM | #2 |
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Like you've said in your crash thread you would have been totally fine if you hadn't used rear, had ABS, and didn't get distracted for that little bit
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February 6th, 2013, 02:05 PM | #3 |
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February 6th, 2013, 02:07 PM | #4 |
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dOOOOOOOOd.
Swerve. Panic stops when there are no other options. Not that I don't totally understand the heat of the moment getting to you.
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February 6th, 2013, 02:09 PM | #5 |
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Wow, hope you are ok!
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February 6th, 2013, 02:17 PM | #7 | |
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Swerve where though? Van in the left lane, moving cars in the right lane and car in front of me. Also, I didn't know what was in front of these cars stopping (turns out nothing) so splitting between the lanes could have been just as bad. I figured the best option was to brake.
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February 6th, 2013, 02:21 PM | #9 | |
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February 6th, 2013, 02:25 PM | #10 |
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Why? All I got was a scratch
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February 6th, 2013, 02:25 PM | #11 |
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February 6th, 2013, 02:26 PM | #12 |
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This time, plus you could get a pink one. Then we could call you Jiggly Puff .
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February 6th, 2013, 02:32 PM | #13 |
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I definitely wouldn't have swerved left, so swerving right would be the only choice. If I knew that there was a car to my right, or if I wasn't sure that it was somewhat clear, I wouldn't swerve into that lane either. I'd be worried that the Toyota in front freaks out and cuts into the middle lane anyway, so any swerve would have to be significantly into the other lane to gain enough potential clearance. Any car there, or approaching quickly, and it's a bad option.
As long as I had a awareness that there wasn't a vehicle directly behind me, I think I'd make the same decision to brake. Hindsight is 20/20, but it doesn't look like the Toyota was actually braking that hard. You came up on him so quickly because of exactly what you described; you locked the rear and for the last 50 - 75 feet scrubbed off very little speed as you were trying to keep the bike straight rather than concentrating on adding more and more front brake. Glad you're OK.
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February 6th, 2013, 02:32 PM | #14 |
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Glad you're ok! How's the bike? Bent forks?
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February 6th, 2013, 02:40 PM | #15 | |
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Forks didn't look bent, the bike hit at an angle so it wasn't a dead on collision, I think frame damage is actually more likely. I'm going to have AAA drop it off at the dealer and let them worry about it. They'll be able to get me a new givi case too since my givi case ended up sliding across the freeway with me
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February 6th, 2013, 02:46 PM | #17 | |
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That being said, lane position was part of your problem here. I try to ride closer to the line, in the right hand part of the lane. If you had done that, you could have moved over into the lane splitting position while braking hard, since you don't need to swerve or turn hard at all to get there. Then, if you can't stop, you can split, and at a lower speed. Worst case scenario, you end up crashing the way you did, best case, you keep riding. |
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February 6th, 2013, 02:53 PM | #18 | |
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What's that phrase about a bunch of little things to cause an accident? And the absence of just one would prevent the accident? If the van hadn't gone left, if the sedan hadn't stopped, if I hadn't hit the rear, if I'd been in the right portion of my lane
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February 6th, 2013, 03:18 PM | #19 | |
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February 6th, 2013, 03:22 PM | #20 | |
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February 6th, 2013, 03:26 PM | #21 |
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Silly noob! Next time just whacked the throttle, PIN IT, and jumped over the car.
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February 6th, 2013, 03:28 PM | #22 |
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Damn yo, glad that turned out with just dmg to the bike and not you.
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February 6th, 2013, 03:32 PM | #23 |
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It looks like it might have turned into a high side had you not hit the car so... not sure which would be preferable lol. Poor Ninja 1k. Glad you're okay though, bikes can be fixed and/or replaced. Or ridden around all beat up and ghetto. I think that the accelerating into the right lane would have been a great alternative, like everyone is saying, but since your first reaction was to brake that pretty much ruled anything else out.
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February 6th, 2013, 03:33 PM | #24 |
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I suffer from 250 syndrome and forget I can do this
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February 6th, 2013, 03:35 PM | #25 | |
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February 6th, 2013, 03:37 PM | #26 |
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As long as you learn from the past then there may be many situations in the future that you can avoid. Cagers will always test your skills - those will be the re-do moments.
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February 6th, 2013, 03:45 PM | #27 |
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I need to practice panic stops some more. I think the reason I hit the rear is that I've been trying to use the rear more in low speed stuff. I used to never use the rear at all but lately I've been practicing low speed maneuvers and utilizing the rear. Sharper uturns and maintaining balance at really low speeds. Sort of like my subconscious brain went, hey I have this new tool lets use it now! Conscious brain, you ****ing idiot you just ****ed us!
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February 6th, 2013, 04:36 PM | #28 |
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No, that's what happens when you LOCK up the rear.....using the rear , and locking it up are not the same thing.
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February 6th, 2013, 04:37 PM | #29 |
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It is if you know what you're doing with the front. But if you have no idea how to use the front brake then you are correct and should be riding a Harley
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February 6th, 2013, 04:58 PM | #31 |
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Bike is totaled, there is a couple scratches on the frame.
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February 6th, 2013, 05:03 PM | #32 |
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February 6th, 2013, 05:07 PM | #33 |
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What bike should I destroy next?
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February 6th, 2013, 05:08 PM | #34 |
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I know you like Kawis, but based on your comments about bikes and power bands and what you like maybe you should try out a Triumph Street Triple.
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February 6th, 2013, 05:13 PM | #36 |
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Once you total a liter bike you have to move up to totaling cars bro.
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February 6th, 2013, 05:20 PM | #37 |
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But I like my car
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February 6th, 2013, 05:25 PM | #38 |
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Wow...glad you're okay.
I watched the video and I actually have ran into situations exactly like yours a few times. What I wouldve done differently was actually swerve right and go to the #2 lane to avoid and should get away unscathed...the danger at that point would have been if the Toyota would have swerved too. Considering the situation and Im not sure how many miles youve logged on the bike you did okay and its good you're fine. THis is coming from someone that has probably close to if not more than 100,000 commuting miles on bikes. Also, it looks like you could have stopped the bike a lot faster and sooner if you decided to not swerve to the other lane. However it can be hard to tell since it is a wide angle camera. I think it would be a good idea to actually practice front brake threshold. I know Lee Parks does a school where you practice that and Keith Code's CSS has a bike where you can practice this drill. Believe it or not you can be hard on the front brakes and come to a stop pretty quick, but you need to be smooth. EDIT: I watched the video a second time and timed the gap you had between the car in front of you and your bike...it looked like 3 seconds...plenty of time to come to a full stop.
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February 6th, 2013, 05:27 PM | #39 |
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LOL you got one cheeky little smile there mate
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I did and I'm not going to load it again on my 200kbps throttled AT&T so-called "Unlimited" data plan when I already explained why any space in front might not matter. I didn't say that the space wasn't there but I did say why it would be a bad idea to go into that space as long as there was enough room for braking. If he did go into it there was a high likelihood that he would end up having to brake every bit as hard in that lane with the compounding factor of having just cut off a car that was doing the same thing and with suddenly less space to do it. That's a good recipe for getting squished between two cars, so why do that when there was still enough room to stop?
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