December 23rd, 2013, 12:53 AM | #41 |
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Sounds like a rough tumble, sorry to hear
I might agree that parts of Vegas wouldn't be a great place to ride. Personally, I try to avoid areas where drunk drivers might be prevalent. So at night on weekends, I'm likely to avoid downtown areas where the bars are and college areas where the kids are. I'm sure there are great places to ride in and around Vegas, but I dunno if The Strip is one of them (I've seen The Hangover, people drive drunk there at all hours). At least not at this point of your riding career. As others have said, take the MSF course. Most important....don't give up! Unless you want to, in which case, do whatever you want
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Sorry to hear about the crash, hope you heal up and can get back on.
Lots of beautiful places to ride around you, but yeah Fremont and the rest are not fun at all. Best I feel safe bringing my bike to Vegas is taking the 215 beltway thing to slip between 93 and I-15.
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Update I went to the orthopedic today and it's bad I'm going to need screws and plates put into my ankle. Worst part is he did a realignment today right there in the office with no pain meds in my system. I was screaming, sweating and couldn't stop shaking for 2 hours afterwards from the extreme pain.
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Travel and stick around, maybe once or twice a year. Travel through? Probably going to be somewhat frequently if I continue the lunacy of long distance riding.
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Good luck and I hope you get back on the mend soon.
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Damn bro thats very unfortunate. After a close call in your same situation, I always think what the drivers around me might be thinking. Its best to always think they are about to swerve over, run the light, or slam on the brakes. Keeps your guard up when you expect the worst in people on the road.
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I'm having the surgery done tomorrow, and then hopefully it'll only be 6 weeks with the cast on and I can start bearing full weight on it and start therapy. Right now I've decided when I'm all better I will start riding again, but just for pleasure not to commute around the busiest parts of town or run errands. And I will be investing in more gear especially racing boots with armored sides. I finally got out today to see my bike damage isn't too bad. [IMG][/IMG]
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Just 2 days before Christmas a lady down here was killed riding a Harley at only 40mph when an idiot in a minivan pulled across her path. Expect the unexpected. Cagers do stupid things sometimes. Its in their nature. And yes, she was wearing a helmet. Mitchell I hope you recover quickly and don't get discouraged. When I first started riding I dropped the bike within 2 days and was ready to call it quits. Thank goodness I didn't. Now I can't imagine quitting even after the last tumble messed up my rotator cuff for about 6 months. If you haven't already, try the MSF course. I still talk to "experienced" bikers every now and then that don't know the basics taught in that course. But that isn't to say experience doesn't matter, because it does. And you need more of it. Especially in terms of braking.
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Welcome! However, I do hope you don't quit motorcycling so quickly! Many of us go through a wreck early on in our riding days, best to learn from it! If you still feel comfortable riding I say fix the bike up, let your body heal, and go back out on the bike a bit wiser next time.
Also, invest in some riding pants if you don't have any yet! Your legs are too important not to! Lastly, $400 for 2 days in the impound lot?!? I feel for you...
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Typical, they crash well. You might want to take a look at the bracket that holds the foot peg and make sure it's not cracked or anything. Those usually break right off but I think they're designed to. It'd suck to stand up to adjust your crotch and have it snap off lol
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This is where one of my favorite sayings comes in... F uck the police(an the tow folks, an the impound lot) darn rackateers, legal ones
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I been thinking about my crash a lot lately, and I think I have a better idea of what happened. I fell on the left side, when you lock up the front brakes don't you usually fall to the right. I'm thinking I correctly braked with the front, but was to hard with the rear brake. I know I applied the front then the rear, so I'm thinking I applied the front correctly the weight shifted to the front, which gave the rear tire less grip so when I applied the rear brake hard it made me wipeout on my left side. Does this sound possible or is it more likely I just applied the front brakes to hard and fell to the left?
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So did you hit the guy that pulled in front of you or did you just panic brake and go down on your own?
I don't follow your left side - right side theory. When you lock the rears, the bike has a tendency to fishtail so which side you fall on depends on which side it was on when you released the brakes. Releasing the brakes after you start fishtailing is when you get thrown off the bike. The farther from center is the farther you get thrown. If you release when the bike is near inline, then its possible to recover and stay on the bike. The MSF says to keep the brakes locked until you stop. Once you get your bike fixed (and your foot heals up) you should find a parking lot somewhere and just practice emergency braking. The rear brake is the one that will get you in the most trouble. And it doesn't even help you stop that much. Most of the stopping power comes from the front. Try experimenting by stopping with only the front brake and no rear brake. Then add a little rear brake pressure to get the feel of it. When I took the MSF, emergency braking was part of the final exam. Its very important to get it right.
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As a beginner, I can assure you that you did not apply too much front brake.
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Grabbing the brakes to hard can send you down on either side, it's all about which way that front wheel is facing.
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Okay, maybe not always then. But most likely you didn't use too much front. I'm guessing it went something like this: Panic. Go hulk on brakes. Foot is strong. Rear locks. Panic more. Release brakes. Fall. From my experience as a typical noob, I'm guessing he went hulk on the rear and only applied about half the front he should have.
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Naw brah, you were honest. I just wanted to ensure that it didn't deliver the wrong message ya know.
lol Naw, seriously... with braking as it relates to riding. It quality, not quantity.
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When you did read my previous link, you learned "How dangerous is a quick squeeze" and why. Too much pressure on that front right lever (Panic reaction = I must stop quick = Apply all possible pressure ASAP !!!) takes the front tire by surprise, which is not ready yet to work with so much pressure in the caliper. Once the front tire stops rolling, you lose all steering capability and the tire slides forward and very quickly skids to the side opposite to which your bike is leaning, even imperceptibly. The only solution is to release some pressure to allow the front tire to resume rolling and steering, ........ but we are too scared at that point to think straight. The frontal support of the bike is violently swept from under you and the combined weight of the bike and rider slams the ground also violently. Your shoulder receives a strong g force upon impact, which translates into a high compressive stress that shatters the collar bone, which is acting as a column between your shoulder and the rest of your upper body. "The most common type of (Clavicle) fractures occur when a person falls horizontally on the shoulder." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clavicl...nism_of_injury In order to be effective (to resist a sliding force of more than 80% the combined weight of bike+rider), the front contact patch needs to have some serious weight on it. That happens because available traction (rubber-asphalt) directly depends on weight. It takes some time to transfer most of the weight over that frontal patch of rubber, which can only be achieved with a progressive application of the front brake, or in my case, with a strong simultaneous application and then full release of the rear brake. In other words, I use the higher weight on the rear patch to induce and initiate the weight transfer and I leave it alone as the weight on it gets reduced (and the chance or rear skid increases). All you need to learn about braking properly is here: http://www.msgroup.org/Articles.aspx?Cat=2
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