Ninja 250r single cylinder (They call it ninja 250 RR mono)

silentIm · January 6th, 2014, 06:49 AM

A spyshoot of prototype Kawasaki sportbike in Indonesia that they are secretly working on right now, it is 250 1 cylinder.

The frame is interesting

They seem also create the naked 'Z' version as well

It's said it will replace the ninja 150 RR (ninja KIPS in Malaysia) 2 stroke 150cc sportbike that is popular in South East Asia.

old3 · January 6th, 2014, 11:39 AM

Shades of the KTM trellis style frame, looks like they blended the lower half of that to a Ninja 250 frame upper almost.

Motofool · January 6th, 2014, 11:53 AM

Sacrilege !!!

That new engine is not a structural element of the frame, like in our regular twin (which has a central wall that divides both cylinders).

They stole the idea of the red frame from @alex.s

old3 · January 6th, 2014, 12:06 PM

CBR250 proved they could get close to the more complex Ninja 250 performance, for beginners anyway, with lower cost to produce.

Interesting but unless it moves the game upward from the 300 Ninja, i.e. same power/less weight/better components, blech.

IMO, one CBR250 style bike at that performance level is enough, in the USA anyway.

Xtina · January 6th, 2014, 12:11 PM

Suzuki called and they want their 04 gixxer back.

choneofakind · January 6th, 2014, 12:12 PM

I like the frame. How far from production is this teaser?

Snake · January 6th, 2014, 01:35 PM

I hate thumpers! Keep the Ninja a twin!

old3 · January 6th, 2014, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake

I hate thumpers! Keep the Ninja a twin!

Bah! Ridden a modern 250 or 450f? They can be smooth screamers. Forget the old school small thumpers, although this one could be a real pooch with 2 valves and a 7k RPM redline for all we know.

Xtina hit that nail on the head. Kawi can usually get enough ugly in a bike without any outside influence. Seems another Suzi/Kawi collaboration like a few years ago!

cbinker · January 6th, 2014, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake

I hate thumpers! Keep the Ninja a twin!

where does it say it is a Thumper? Emission Laws are attempting to get rid of them, which is why MotoGP dropped them.

choneofakind · January 6th, 2014, 06:06 PM

Name of the thread mentions that it's a mono. That means thumper.

old3 · January 6th, 2014, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

where does it say it is a Thumper? Emission Laws are attempting to get rid of them, which is why MotoGP dropped them.

Confusing two strokes with thumpers maybe? A thumper is a single cylinder four stroke.

Daks · January 6th, 2014, 06:25 PM

I highly doubt this is coming anywhere near the US market. People forget that small, efficient bikes are super popular in developing countries because they're cheap and SO MANY people ride bikes out there.

Releasing a less powerful bike under the 300 and after honda has already cornered the 250 thumper market is sure to fail over here.

Sykes92 · January 7th, 2014, 06:14 AM

Dat front fairing/headlight assembly though.

If it ever becomes possible to jury-rig that onto a new-gen 250R, I'm totally jumping all over that and giving my baby a facelift.

JohnnyBravo · January 7th, 2014, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sykes92

Dat front fairing/headlight assembly though.

If it ever becomes possible to jury-rig that onto a new-gen 250R, I'm totally jumping all over that and giving my baby a facelift.

You send me the parts, an consider it done

Shouldn't take long to get it glassed up for ya

Somchai · January 7th, 2014, 07:20 AM

I think it's the Kwaki Bajaj Pulsar 200NS you're talking about, look here: http://tmcblog.com/2013/07/17/first-...-pulsar-200ns/ and it looks like the Z250 they sell here in LoS http://newcar82.blogspot.com/2013/02...fications.html

silentIm · January 7th, 2014, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I like the frame. How far from production is this teaser?

I think it's already production prototype. The official specification hasn't been released yet.

This kind of bike might not create a huge demand in developed countries. With similar spec to the CBR 250 I bet most new riders will choose Honda.

That aside the 2 stroke Ninja is so popular while the power is slightly below the 2008 ninja 250, many racing shop here are able to tune the bike to make power similar to finely tuned ninja 250, but with much less weight. Also the parts are much cheaper than the ninjette.

While for me it's great they develop nice looking bike, it's also sad they will kill the last street legal 2 strokes here. I dont mind few oily fumes and preng preng noise, as long as I can put shame to the other guy on bigger bike when I pass him on mountain pass :-).

silentIm · January 7th, 2014, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

I think it's the Kwaki Bajaj Pulsar 200NS you're talking about, look here: http://tmcblog.com/2013/07/17/first-...-pulsar-200ns/ and it looks like the Z250 they sell here in LoS http://newcar82.blogspot.com/2013/02...fications.html

Both are already on sale by Kawasaki in Indonesia.. the Pulsar use cast twin spar frame similar to Yamaha's bikes, while the Z250 is the current on sale ninja 250 without fairing.. (Still a lot of plastic though, the frame of ninjette isn't that good to show off).
The new bike use trellis frame instead diamond frame design of the current ninjette.

choneofakind · January 7th, 2014, 07:59 AM

I just like the fact that the frame on this one doesn't seem to use the engine as a weight bearing part of the frame. Seems like you'd be able to make the engine block smaller and lighter if it wasn't a stressed member? idk.

Still wondering why the whole frame is one piece vs making a rear sub-frame that can be more easily replaced (or modified) in the event of an accident.

Sykes92 · January 7th, 2014, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

You send me the parts, an consider it done

Shouldn't take long to get it glassed up for ya

Hahah deal.

silentIm · January 7th, 2014, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I just like the fact that the frame on this one doesn't seem to use the engine as a weight bearing part of the frame. Seems like you'd be able to make the engine block smaller and lighter if it wasn't a stressed member? idk.

Still wondering why the whole frame is one piece vs making a rear sub-frame that can be more easily replaced (or modified) in the event of an accident.

Hmm i think it uses the engine as stressed member, but not through the head block like ninja 250, but through the crankcase. See the mounting point portruding below the steering? That's similar to CBR 250, CMIIW.

choneofakind · January 7th, 2014, 08:26 AM

Maybe.

I had noticed the similarity to the CBR frame, but it looks like the new kawi is more of a cradle design than the CBR.

Looks like doing a valve job would be a real pain. You'd have to drop the engine. There's no way to get to the head with that trellis section around it like that.

silentIm · January 7th, 2014, 09:13 AM

you right, my friend who owned the CBR told me to access the spark plug you have to take off everything, fairing, seat, and gas tank.

cbinker · January 7th, 2014, 12:43 PM

Thats interesting, i have always heard Thumpers referring to two-strokes, guess i learned something new today.

Sykes92 · January 7th, 2014, 01:29 PM

But seriously, give me that bodywork with a 600cc engine. And papa would start saving $ big time.

JohnnyBravo · January 7th, 2014, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sykes92

But seriously, give me that bodywork with a 600cc engine. And papa would start saving $ big time.

That would be called a GSXR600... You should try your hand at custom fiberglass, you can start cheap an easy using felt (wont have the structural strength of fiberglass) it's a good way to learn and cheaper than messing up real fiberglass.

Sykes92 · January 7th, 2014, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

That would be called a GSXR600... You should try your hand at custom fiberglass, you can start cheap an easy using felt (wont have the structural strength of fiberglass) it's a good way to learn and cheaper than messing up real fiberglass.

Haha no GSXR for me :P. Don't need a SS and looking all Super-Squidly on it with only 3 months of exp haha (see what I did there?

) But you know thats not a terrible idea. But I'm not sure if I retrofit a new headlamp for it. Maybe I can. I'm actually kinda interested in this now haha. Maybe I'll try it like you said, if it turns out good, might get a racing fairing and gut it for the desired outcome.

JohnnyBravo · January 7th, 2014, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sykes92

Haha no GSXR for me :P. Don't need a SS and looking all Super-Squidly on it with only 3 months of exp haha (see what I did there?

) But you know thats not a terrible idea. But I'm not sure if I retrofit a new headlamp for it. Maybe I can. I'm actually kinda interested in this now haha. Maybe I'll try it like you said, if it turns out good, might get a racing fairing and gut it for the desired outcome.

You can make a mold of your fairing, using the felt, pull it off an go to work on it with some piddly light looking piece... It will be cheap to figure it out without cutting up a good piece, shouldn't even have to cut or fill to much, getting the new brackets could be the tricky part, but not impossible
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mikeohio · February 26th, 2014, 03:38 PM

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2014/02/1...mono-revealed/

misfitsailor · February 26th, 2014, 05:46 PM

Pass. I still think that the twin has much more potential.

dcj13 · February 26th, 2014, 05:55 PM

Thumpers are kind of nice because they have more torque at a lot lower RPM. But you can't rev them as high.

I have the good fortune of having the pregen 250 and the KLR250: completely different engine characteristics and riding experiences. Which one is better? Apple or Orange? Depends...

Alex · February 26th, 2014, 06:08 PM

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January 6th, 2014, 06:49 AM	#1
silentIm ninjette.org member Name: Firman Location: Surabaya, Indonesia Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 red ninja 250r Posts: 94	Ninja 250r single cylinder (They call it ninja 250 RR mono) A spyshoot of prototype Kawasaki sportbike in Indonesia that they are secretly working on right now, it is 250 1 cylinder. The frame is interesting They seem also create the naked 'Z' version as well It's said it will replace the ninja 150 RR (ninja KIPS in Malaysia) 2 stroke 150cc sportbike that is popular in South East Asia. __________________________________________________ Corner is what the ninjette is made for.
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January 6th, 2014, 11:53 AM	#3
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Sacrilege !!! That new engine is not a structural element of the frame, like in our regular twin (which has a central wall that divides both cylinders). They stole the idea of the red frame from @alex.s __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

January 6th, 2014, 06:25 PM	#12
Daks Jersey Devil Name: Daks Location: Austin, TX Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): '06 Ninja 250 Posts: 469	I highly doubt this is coming anywhere near the US market. People forget that small, efficient bikes are super popular in developing countries because they're cheap and SO MANY people ride bikes out there. Releasing a less powerful bike under the 300 and after honda has already cornered the 250 thumper market is sure to fail over here. __________________________________________________ ~Riding like a grandma because I wanna ride as a grandma~

January 7th, 2014, 09:13 AM	#22
silentIm ninjette.org member Name: Firman Location: Surabaya, Indonesia Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 red ninja 250r Posts: 94	you right, my friend who owned the CBR told me to access the spark plug you have to take off everything, fairing, seat, and gas tank. __________________________________________________ Corner is what the ninjette is made for.

January 7th, 2014, 12:43 PM	#23
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	Thats interesting, i have always heard Thumpers referring to two-strokes, guess i learned something new today. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

January 6th, 2014, 11:39 AM	#2
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	Shades of the KTM trellis style frame, looks like they blended the lower half of that to a Ninja 250 frame upper almost.

January 6th, 2014, 12:06 PM	#4
old3 ninjette.org sage Name: Jim Location: NJ Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300, KTM EXC610SMR Posts: 913	CBR250 proved they could get close to the more complex Ninja 250 performance, for beginners anyway, with lower cost to produce. Interesting but unless it moves the game upward from the 300 Ninja, i.e. same power/less weight/better components, blech. IMO, one CBR250 style bike at that performance level is enough, in the USA anyway.

January 6th, 2014, 12:11 PM	#5
Xtina ninjette.org guru Name: Christina Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300, 2007 Gsxr 600, R6-sold :( Posts: 270	Suzuki called and they want their 04 gixxer back.

January 6th, 2014, 12:12 PM	#6
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I like the frame. How far from production is this teaser?

January 6th, 2014, 01:35 PM	#7
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	I hate thumpers! Keep the Ninja a twin!

January 6th, 2014, 06:06 PM	#10
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Name of the thread mentions that it's a mono. That means thumper.

January 7th, 2014, 06:14 AM	#13
Sykes92 Jedi on Two Wheels Name: Cameron Location: Kent Island Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250r (Slightly Modded) Posts: 489	Dat front fairing/headlight assembly though. If it ever becomes possible to jury-rig that onto a new-gen 250R, I'm totally jumping all over that and giving my baby a facelift.

January 7th, 2014, 07:20 AM	#15
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	I think it's the Kwaki Bajaj Pulsar 200NS you're talking about, look here: http://tmcblog.com/2013/07/17/first-...-pulsar-200ns/ and it looks like the Z250 they sell here in LoS http://newcar82.blogspot.com/2013/02...fications.html

January 7th, 2014, 07:59 AM	#18
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I just like the fact that the frame on this one doesn't seem to use the engine as a weight bearing part of the frame. Seems like you'd be able to make the engine block smaller and lighter if it wasn't a stressed member? idk. Still wondering why the whole frame is one piece vs making a rear sub-frame that can be more easily replaced (or modified) in the event of an accident.

January 7th, 2014, 08:26 AM	#21
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Maybe. I had noticed the similarity to the CBR frame, but it looks like the new kawi is more of a cradle design than the CBR. Looks like doing a valve job would be a real pain. You'd have to drop the engine. There's no way to get to the head with that trellis section around it like that.

January 7th, 2014, 01:29 PM	#24
Sykes92 Jedi on Two Wheels Name: Cameron Location: Kent Island Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250r (Slightly Modded) Posts: 489	But seriously, give me that bodywork with a 600cc engine. And papa would start saving $ big time.

February 26th, 2014, 03:38 PM	#28
mikeohio ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: wooster Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 ninja 250 Posts: 24	New ninja 250 single cylinder http://blog.motorcycle.com/2014/02/1...mono-revealed/
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February 26th, 2014, 05:46 PM	#29
misfitsailor Ninjette Jockey Name: Tim Location: Stockton, Ca Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R, Harley Davidson Heritage Softail, 2 Honda Monkeys, Polini & GRC mini GP Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	Pass. I still think that the twin has much more potential. __________________________________________________ For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?.

February 26th, 2014, 05:55 PM	#30
dcj13 Participant Name: Dave Location: South of Seattle Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): '94 K75 std Posts: Too much. MOTM - Aug '15	Thumpers are kind of nice because they have more torque at a lot lower RPM. But you can't rev them as high. I have the good fortune of having the pregen 250 and the KLR250: completely different engine characteristics and riding experiences. Which one is better? Apple or Orange? Depends...

February 26th, 2014, 06:08 PM	#31
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