January 13th, 2014, 06:59 PM | #41 |
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January 23rd, 2014, 11:09 AM | #42 | |
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Think about it like this, the earlier you look into the turn and spot your apex, the more information you will have about the corner. The more info you have about the corner, the more confidence you have in pressing the bar and the more likely you will get to the spot you are looking at (the apex). So, in order to practice the two step you want to try to look into the turn BEFORE you actually turn the bike. It should be like this: LOOK………..(still going straight)……..TURN! I sometimes scream into my helmet to look Now, timing? How early would you want to look into the turn?
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January 23rd, 2014, 12:57 PM | #43 |
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As early as you can.
BTW I've been practicing vision drills lately. The wide-screen thing can be pretty trippy.
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January 23rd, 2014, 01:43 PM | #44 |
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It's funny how the one thing I remember from my msf course is "slow look press roll" which is largely the same thing and is amazingly crucial to not only riding a motorcycle but driving a car. I still find myself more comfortable with driving, particularly when it comes to approaching my perceived limits of the vehicle (which in my car are ridiculously high thanks to autocross) The thing that helps most in riding is definitely to look as far ahead as possible as soon as possible, in this current winter weather with ice patches everywhere it's particularly difficult to do even at slower speeds.
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January 24th, 2014, 12:37 AM | #45 |
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Wait a tick, I saw a post on the last page about something called "two step". What is that? A quick google search (for "motorcycle two step") didn't really yield any help. It's been a few months since I last watched TOTW...
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January 24th, 2014, 12:41 AM | #46 |
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it's an eye technique, you specifically practice looking into a corner long before actually turning in, making it 2 separate steps instead of the common 1 step that most people seem to use for it.
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January 24th, 2014, 02:01 AM | #47 |
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Step 1: Identify the point where you intend to tip in.
Step 2: Identify the apex When you shift your vision from the first to the second, you're no longer looking directly at where you start your turn.
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January 24th, 2014, 11:17 AM | #48 |
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OOooooh okay. Great, I already do that! Or at least make the effort to.
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January 24th, 2014, 09:22 PM | #49 | |
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January 25th, 2014, 02:59 AM | #50 |
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Mmmm this is what I first thought of..
Link to original page on YouTube.
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January 25th, 2014, 06:30 AM | #51 |
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January 27th, 2014, 10:58 AM | #52 | |
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So, the tendency is to turn in early if you look into the turn too early. What happens if you are late with the look in? If you are looking and turning almost at the same time? Or, what are the benefits of the "two-step" technique?
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January 27th, 2014, 05:57 PM | #53 | |
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January 28th, 2014, 07:38 AM | #54 | |
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If you're late with the look-in you could run too deep/turn too slow/miss your tip-in point, which means you'll be making steering corrections mid-corner, and that's not optimal... maybe SR3 (narrowed and hunting field of vision) because you'll be scrambling trying to find your mark while turning the bike. Maybe SR6 (ineffective steering). Maybe SR7 (braking errors). In short, the bike won't be in the groove and set up for the turn until it's already in the turn. Messy. If you look and turn at the same time, similar thing... you're probably not going to be on the right line and will have to make corrections when you should be accelerating smoothly. As I understand it, the optimum is to assume the position, tip in and once the throttle is cracked open, you shouldn't need to do anything but roll it on... all the line choice and turning is already done.
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January 28th, 2014, 10:07 AM | #55 |
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An issue for me isn't necessarily turning in too early, it's starting my line too far towards the middle. It's somewhat of a mental block because setting up for a lefty hairpin would mean I'm close to the edge of the road on the right. I know I SHOULD be further to the right edge, but I notice I'm often much closer to the middle. Anything I can do to get over that block? Or is it just a matter of growing a sac and doing what I know I should do lol
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Where I have the biggest trouble are on blind curves and hairpins (surprise? lol). So I can only see as much of the road as the hill on the side of the road will allow me to see. As I approach the turn, I look for my turn in point, and as I get closer, I look through the turn.
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January 30th, 2014, 09:31 PM | #61 |
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Hey @rasta! Have peek at the "Look through the corners" link in my sig. Near the end we cover blind corners and I believe there is a link to a write up on the "vanishing point" when riding on unfamiliar roads.
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Another n00b question, are hairpins all double apex? I noticed in TOTW, they said you're supposed to setup again for the second part of the curve. I think a big reason I'm still babying hairpins (other than still being pretty n00b) is that I'm not approaching them like I should approach a double apex. Hm?
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For example; Mid-Ohio has a hairpin (turns 4 & 5 on the map) that I commonly use 3 lines to get through. The chicane just before the hairpin makes it even more fun. Line 1: Squared off - I don't use this line very often, it's a hard line for me to get right, it feels sketchy to me at my top pace, has me braking deep into the corner and has me tightening my line in an odd part of the corner due to the slight downhill slope. Line 2: Double apex - The most common faster line for me as well as others. Enter tight and apex very early, throttle out (go wide), hook turn to reel it back in (tighten the line) for a seconds apex about 3/4 through the corner. The problem with this is, your leaned over more & longer, it's pretty easy to not get the hook turn right (go wide and stay wide), mess up the line and your drive out of the corner is toast because throttle control errors are common here. "Maintenance throttle" & "Pause" the roll on are common terms that you hear riders say to describe the hook turn portion of the line. Line 3: Quickturn/quickflick: - A safer line through the hairpin with a really late turn in point. Allows me maximum time to set entry speed and for better visibility around the corner. Most importantly, allows for a solid, smooth throttle roll throughout the corner. The key to this is to get the bike turned faster. Now I know you need the "street" version though. For me on the street, I almost always use a quickturn/flick (Line 3) and hook turn technique to hold my line and/or tighten it as needed. Also, there is only a need for one corner setup and we get a smooth, confident throttle roll. Lemme ask you these questions; If your turn in rate is slow (lazy steering), what do you think will happen mid-corner? Where do you think a good turn in point is for hairpins? Early, late or really late? There are many lines through a corner, how do you know you have found a good one? How does your line through the corner differ from the image below?
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