May 20th, 2014, 07:17 PM | #41 | |
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Since I've got this bike, which was about 1000 miles ago, its been the same. I've always remembered the 9000rmp mark at 60mph. The lights have not flickered. Thing is I've got used to the high revving sound, like when it hits 9000 you get this high sound, so I really don't think its the tac, but i'll check the connections. |
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May 20th, 2014, 07:23 PM | #42 |
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May 20th, 2014, 07:27 PM | #43 |
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Like when VTEC kicks in.
The sound of more power, I guess you can call it a squeal, idk, I got ear plugs and wind so I don't remember hearing a squeal. Like the engine noise increases much more after 9000 This is kind of what it looks like, high rpm and @ around 80mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWKCeu3XzGw |
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Forgive me if I took it wrong, but seems your not getting full rev range in top gear... (eg. won't go past 11k)
Are you having an issue getting full rev range in any other gear? Since your on stock gearing, according to gearcommander, stock setup @ 11k in 6th = 89.3mph (add rider and wind, and seems your on target there). The sound you say makes me think your hearing it starve for air maybe?? Have you checked things like the air filter and if it has the snorkel installed? Also another thing to consider...Check carbs for gunk, or maybe at least run some seafoam through a tank of gas, see if that helps at all. |
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May 21st, 2014, 06:29 AM | #46 |
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did you ever run 5th to rev limiter?
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May 21st, 2014, 10:39 AM | #47 | |
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@cbinker not yet but maybe today. Too many cars yestoday afternoon so could not go over 55 mph |
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May 21st, 2014, 10:58 AM | #48 |
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Did you pull the plugs? It may be misfiring or having a weak spark event causing the engine to not be able to rev any higher, thus limiting speed.
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May 21st, 2014, 11:08 AM | #49 | |
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did this 4 years ago:
Elevation in that area is around 1620ft. now my elevation is between 3200 and 5500 ok folks the study is done and the numbers are in. using my GPS and glancing down at the speedo: this is what i did i road each gear up to the rev limiter, except 6th, I didnt feel the need to push it much more then i already had, and it is not worth risking my job. Gear GPS/Speedo 1st: 36.1/40 2nd: 51.9/56 3rd: 65.5/70 4th: 80.0/86 5th: 93.4/100 6th: 99.1/105 |
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No big story. I had my tach replaced along with my IC Ignitor back in 2009. No issues since. There is also documented history by a few Ninja 250 owners (mine included) with tach and IC Ignitor problems. Tach replacement has been and still is the first thing Kawasaki will replace to try to fix the problem. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
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@kxpower yes, 45 rear, its all stock @DaBlue1 not my video, just some random youtube video was just showing sort of where its at. |
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May 22nd, 2014, 07:28 AM | #55 |
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You should be hitting 90+ in 5th.
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How about we do a test of rpm readings during legal (safer) speeds?
I've noticed at 6,000 rpm: 3rd gear = 30mph 4th gear = 40mph |
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Anyone else notice that cadd's 4th gear is 6000 at 40 while the OP's 6th gear is 9000 at 60??? They're both 150 rpm/mph! There's got to a measurement error somewhere in here.
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These are those types of things that are a little silly to debate. There is no grey area here: If the engine turns at this speed, and the gearing is set up with this size front sprocket, this size rear sprocket, and has the standard tire size, the final speed is the output of a simple formula. Experimental testing implies that these things aren't inherently obvious, which means some of us are missing the point in the first place.
www.gearingcommander.com will provide all of the information we need to play around with sprocket ratios on our bikes, given a normal size rear wheel. Every other variation that people might see on their individual bikes is due to measurement error (inaccurate tach, inaccurate speedo), or in very rare cases, a slipping clutch that lets the engine turn faster than the rest of the drivetrain as it slips. That last point is extremely rare to cause one of these ongoing issues, as the slippage would be variable and change with throttle position; not the usual behavior of when someone reports these measurement issues.
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No everything isn't ok he's in 4th gear is what I'm pointing out.
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No need for a GPS. I hit a radar speed sign that reads out "your speed is XX". My speedo is relatively accurate for my needs. Off by 1-2mph at 30-40MPH. |
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Um... maybe the clutch is slipping a bit? Just a thought....
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So that means my speedometer is spot on!!!!
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that is +/- 1 or 2, you could be 4 mph off.
and just an FYI, Speed Limits are a suggestion of safe operation, there are times in the section of road labeled 75mph, that the safe speed may only be 40mph or if there is no one around for miles and miles and miles you can safely operate a vehicle at 100 at short bursts. hell in my area i have been on rides where i did not encounter anyone for 10 miles. those are the areas i go when i want to test speeds. |
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But I personally wouldn't risk it because I have too much on the line. I don't want my insurance to be sky high. I don't want to go down at 100mph if an animal suddenly jumps out and my crappy braking skills makes me yank on the brake lever without preloading the front contact patch first. I've seen what an 80mph crash looks like on a drag strip....in a car...when they hit the wall. I just don't want to ever put myself in that situation if I don't have to on a bike. But that's just me. |
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Me being a jerk? How so? This is how our bantering started.
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That comment rubbed me the wrong way...but whatever. Life is short. Hence my firearm tinfoil hat response as a joke and my explanation of why I suggested the 30-40mph test instead of 90mph test. I also responded with Quote:
You see my happy face and sad face? I’m all “chillaxing” here. Of course you know my neighborhood well and you know that the radar's 2mph error is inverse to my speedo's error. But normally, if something is off, it isn’t off by mph. It’s an error by percentage. Notice that going 100mph and being off by 2mph is only a immaterial 2% error. However going 10mph and being off by 2mph is a massive 20% error. Quote:
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you bore me. and this again is about TOP SPEED and the bike cutting out before it. if you dont like the topic, find a different thread.
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At ease gentlemen.
Cadd tell me these things; What type of oil you running and when was it changed last? Miles on bike, more specifically... miles on clutch Clutch cable within spec? Also note that the clutch cable can be in slack spec and still majorly out of tension spec for clutch pack operation. Check your brakes... are they draggin'? Got free wheel spin? The only other thing I can think of is a high rpm vacuum leak.
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So I guess this thread just become about cadd?
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Check your speedometer/tachometer Intercoupling L-Bracket. I think it's tweaked.
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I'd like to hear this noise you hear. The reason way is because the speedo cable can squeal if the inner shaft is somehow binding against the outer cable too much. Because the speedo (which is a mechanical eddy current speedometer) works by electromagnetism, it is not solidly linked to the needle. If for some reason the cable or magnet speed cup were faulty, an improper reading could occur. Usually speedo cable squeal happens at a lower speed and is very audible, but I had and old car that would produce a squeal after 60-65 mph. Now this may not be the case with your bike, but it's an easy thing to check. What you can do is remove the speedo cable from the wheel and pull out the inner shaft, inspect it to make sure it is properly lubed and that there is no evidence of metal to metal contact along the shaft. Also make sure that the cable is not bent or binding anywhere. Take note which end of the inner shaft goes where and re attach the speedo cable, test ride and see if there is any difference. Just something check to try to rule out a speedo problem. |
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lol, sorry Cadd, yea... you got that right.
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