June 25th, 2014, 06:02 AM | #1 | |
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New Kawasaki 4-cyl 250 in the works?!
Saw this on David's Facebook page (@cerberusrex25):
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June 25th, 2014, 06:36 AM | #2 |
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That's great news, even when I think with all the limitations nowaday the revs won't be that high like they've been (we had it before, but I post it again since it's like hell).
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June 25th, 2014, 06:51 AM | #3 |
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Very interesting but we'll see if it comes out in Indonesia and THEN we'll have to see if it comes out here.
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June 25th, 2014, 06:54 AM | #4 |
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Regardless of if this happens or if it's just needless spewage of hot air, I love what competition has done so far for the <300cc market. I don't care if this is a total rumor or not, it means good things are happening for those of us who love small bikes.
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June 25th, 2014, 07:27 AM | #5 |
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Alls I knows is it's gots me all "Ah better hold off on dose plans tuh bah me a tree-hunerd."
That why big companies like to keep this stuff secret. |
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June 25th, 2014, 07:41 AM | #6 |
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Wrong manufacturer, but I too will post a video purely for the sound:
Link to original page on YouTube. |
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June 25th, 2014, 07:46 AM | #7 |
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hmm, if this comes out at the right time I may sell my 300 for it. I'd have to test ride it though to ensure that it's worth it, less torque could make for a worse daily commuter but the extra top end could balance that out.
all in all, glad that these are making a comeback even if they don't come to the us |
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June 25th, 2014, 07:53 AM | #8 |
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Hmm. I don't know if I believe this rumour. They already have a 300 sport twin, a 250 dualie, and just introduced those new naked and faired 250 singles.
I guess it's possible, but most folks who want a small bike want something simpler and more basic. I know there are a few folks in Indonesia and around the world who would like a small light 4-cylinder, but I don't think there's a enough of a market there to invest in the manufacturing infrastructure.
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June 25th, 2014, 07:57 AM | #9 |
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Interesting moto , unfortunately we will probably never see it here in North America. The taxing/displacment restrictions of the Asian markets creates these opportunities for the development of these high-tech 250s. Here we are seeing the displacement creep upward for our smaller displacement motos ( Ninja 300, now Honda cbr300 ). It's too bad but those are the realities of our marketplace. I personally would love to see the new Kawasaki single cylinder 250 sold here but it is also not likely to happen.
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June 25th, 2014, 08:16 AM | #11 | ||
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Remember: the Indonesian leaks regarding the 300/250L only talked about it from the 250 perspective. |
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June 25th, 2014, 08:21 AM | #12 |
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Last time they produced the high speed high revving 250s some of them were sold in canada but none made it to the US. Don t know if Wiki still has the photos and specs but they were just awesome. 20000 rpms 150 mph.
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June 25th, 2014, 08:28 AM | #13 |
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June 25th, 2014, 08:42 AM | #14 |
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Wait so if this was real, how much do you think this would cost? Eight grand? Six? About the same as a 300?
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June 25th, 2014, 09:01 AM | #15 |
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They would probably cost around the same as a supersport given the amount of engineering that has to go into these engines.
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June 25th, 2014, 09:17 AM | #16 |
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June 25th, 2014, 09:20 AM | #17 |
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June 25th, 2014, 09:22 AM | #18 |
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these bikes appeal to me much more than the standard 600+ super sport. i would love to buy one. i would even consider buying one in canada and bringing it back.
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June 25th, 2014, 11:04 AM | #19 |
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The Ninja 400 was only sold in Canada and New Zealand. It sold poorly and was discontinued after just a couple of years. Why buy something that is identical to a 650 but with less power, when you can just go buy the 650?
A multi-cylinder 250 might make sense in a country like Indonesia that has severe tariffs and taxes on larger bikes, but IMHO I doubt it will even sell well there. I lived in Jakarta for a year, and I can tell you first-hand that Indonesia is a very poor country. Most folks there are lucky if they can afford a little 110cc step-thru - or a bicycle for that matter. I don't see the vast majority of riders there coming up with the extra money to buy a multi-cylinder 250 when they can buy a single or twin 250 for less money.
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June 25th, 2014, 11:40 AM | #21 | |
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What kind of numbers did the cbr250rr put out, I think I remember reading somewhere 40hp? if so that is sweet! A IL4 4t 350 or in that range would be the bees knees
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June 25th, 2014, 11:50 AM | #22 |
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2 Extra carbs to deal with, no thanks.
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June 25th, 2014, 11:59 AM | #23 |
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if they were going through the trouble to make a mini SS I can't imagine it would not be EFI.
Regardless carbs are no big deal IMO
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June 25th, 2014, 12:07 PM | #25 |
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I wouldnt hold my breath on it, Kawa just came out with the 300.
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June 25th, 2014, 12:34 PM | #26 |
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June 25th, 2014, 01:26 PM | #27 |
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It would probably be Efi, but if you don't want one, don't buy it.
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June 25th, 2014, 03:15 PM | #28 |
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Can I get on a waiting list? I've seen dyno charts of a CBR 250RR with a yosh pipe at 43 HP, if I remember correctly.
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June 25th, 2014, 03:55 PM | #29 |
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I'm sure you're right. I would be interested if it were fuel injected.. if it's carb'd then I will go to the 300
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June 25th, 2014, 07:17 PM | #31 | |
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A wiki search turned up Japanese 250s with various specs. One of the bikes from the big three was rated as being lighter in weight and more powerful than the others. When I couldnt find one in the US or Canada. I gave up, but the thought of a 250 sport bike stayed with until last year when I finally bought 06s. I really like the pregen. It is the lightest of the plated sportbikes and thats why I didn't go for the 08 and up. If a lite weight 250 4 cyl became avail, id buy it if was light enough....right at or below the 300lb range would be what I would expect for a serious canadate. For something like that I would expect to pay at least $2000 more than the current 300. Light weight costs and lighter the weight the more it would cost. Tony |
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And what if it ends up being a 300lb 300-450cc bike?
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June 25th, 2014, 07:30 PM | #33 |
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For me to be interested it would have to be in the 400cc range, and around the same weight as the 300. A 250cc inline four would have a lot of potential as a track bike, but I don't think it would make for such a good street bike. A mildly tuned 300 is putting out similar power numbers, with the I4 250's making more top end HP, but he 300 is going to make more low end power, which makes it a better bike for every day riding.
A 400cc I4 that came in at around 375 lbs, and had all the high end bits that all the SS bike do would really tickle my fancy.
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Good luck getting a true (good condition, not a drz) supermoto for 6k.
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Second streetable sport bikes under 320lbs are pretty rare If we ever get the rc390, that would be your best bet, or duke if you don't mind going naked. Aprilia rs125's weigh in under 300lbs, with a good pipe, good tune and if you wanted to dig deep a bore and other engine work they easily make over 30hp. Would be super fun and an awesome track bike. They pop up for sale in Cali all the time. rs250 weights in the 325lb range, if I had the cash I would have one in the stable right now they are often available in Cali. Only down side with those bikes is routine maintenance but it is pretty easy work.
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June 26th, 2014, 06:59 AM | #38 |
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Take a look what a guy in Germany did with his ZXR400, he brought the weight down from 388.256 lbs to 297.324 lbs what means at least 90.932 lbs less.
Here is his listing (it's in german): http://www.zxr400.de/board/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10841 |
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June 26th, 2014, 07:10 AM | #39 |
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^ how much did it cost him?
There is a LW thread here on the forum where some racers have cut some serious weight off the ninja but these are track only bikes and losing that much weight means hacking off brackets, tail section of frame ect... After you get done with the cheap and easy weight reductions you are only left with a few options and the price gets pretty steep. CF wheels and other bits and Ti nuts and bolts. A Ti axle bolt and nut can cost over $500 alone, all to save no more than a lb. in short yes, just about anything is possible but you gotta pay to play
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The problem with 600cc I4 is that at redline in each gear, speed is something like 90, 109, 128, 147, 166, 185 (mph).
How would they gear a 250cc I4? Can you hit redline in 2nd gear at 63 mph? Then one could, you know, actually enjoy the high-revving I4 engine without traveling at organ donor speeds. |
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