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I like it, does it come in Kawi lime??
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I am thinking That new yammi is so nice for the price.
What is the deal with the direct drive cam .... ?>
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October 18th, 2014, 10:21 AM | #443 |
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^^ Dunno, trying to find info now.
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October 18th, 2014, 01:48 PM | #444 |
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Weighs less, better clip ons and bigger engine than the ninja 300.... Kawi has it's competition cut out for them.... Hopefully it absolutely is amazing, I want to see kawi step up their game.
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October 18th, 2014, 03:02 PM | #445 |
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Well, I'm guessing that it's not driven by a chain but by a gear instead. No cam chain or chain tensioner to wear out.
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If it's gear driven, it will also have some badass whines and whirrs every time the engine revs
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October 18th, 2014, 05:45 PM | #447 |
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Ring me when they come out with a new 250-300cc inline 4 that revs to 20k RPM
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October 18th, 2014, 06:53 PM | #449 |
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I agree... that will never happen.... Just buy an old CBR 250...
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October 18th, 2014, 07:21 PM | #450 |
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2x150 = 300cc parallel twin @ 35 whp
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Looks great. I will getting out for a test ride on one this spring.
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The recent rumors that Kawi was doing this may make sense in light of this. Kawi knew Yami was up to something and rather than follow them into "cheater" territory, they got to work upping the cylinder count. Three cylinders may make more sense.
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I think the displacement creep is soon over. I think the next way for small bikes to evolve is spec level and chassis design. I think we'll start seeing frames that are stiffer with more gusseting and bracing so they perform more like a stiff SS-style cradle frame without the costs associated with manufacturing. I like how Yami used a 298mm floating rotor on the R3. I think that's a step in the right direction because how many people have thought "my ninjette requires too much lever effort to get UBERBRAKES like I want" and then upped to a larger aftermarket rotor and caliper bracket? A few now. Coming from MTB background where it's very normal for riders to play with rotor size and there are industry standards for caliper mounts and rotor sizes, allowing each rider can get the right feel and force at the lever, I find it funny that doing the same on your motorcycle is so difficult and expensive. The right feel and force at the lever can make any rider better through being more comfortable, without going crazy on higher priced calipers/masters. I know my issue is hand strength required on my lever. The pregen has a smaller rotor than the newgen, it requires strong hands that I don't have. I can't squeeze that thing hard enough to brake like I want without going hulk on it and riding stiff on the bars. Another 10-20mm on the rotor diameter and I would be much more relaxed while braking at pace. |
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[motorcyclenews.com - news] - Full Details: Yamaha YZF-R3
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Yamaha R3 at the AIM show
Saturday, I went to the AIM Expo in Orlando, and looked at, groped, and sat on the new R3. I am impressed. Great ergos, great fit and finish. And the 41mm fork tubes make all the other 250's and 300's look like toothpicks.
They are coming "first of the year". I will certainly be in line for a test ride. May be my first bike from the tuning fork guys since my old RD400.
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I keep harping on that, but that is the probably the biggest stat line that caught my attention as well. Shows they were at least a little serious about it being ridden hard.
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So what impact will bigger fork tubes have? A better ability to handle bumps at speed? Just better suspension overall?
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More stability when the front end is subjected to higher forces. Bumps are part of it, but also how the bike feels when it is on its side in high-g, higher speed turns.
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Larger diameter forks and larger diameter brake rotor = win.
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sketchy has aftermarket front rotor and calipers along with a much better brake feel, I'm actually more confident on the brakes on it than on the 300 as a result of this.
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The name of the game is performance at a price. Good to see more competition on small displacement motorcycle. That means not only more choices for beginner bikes in western countries, but also more choices of high quality bikes for us in emerging countries.
Just now TMCBlog posted a possibility a streetfighter version of yzf R25 dubbed MT-25. That means MT-3 is possible as well.
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That's marketing jargon saying buckets and shims driven by the camshaft pushing the valves, just like ninja 250. R25 still uses cam chain.
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Sexy beast!! If it really is an r3 it might be what we were all waiting for!
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Really of interest only to track riders, but it is quite likely that a front-end swap will be possible. Bike manufacturers often recycle various parts to keep costs down; that's why it's easy to put a GSXR front end on an SV650.
I'd put money on the ability to install an R6 front end on this bike without major agita. Vastly better brakes and front suspension, done and done. Short of that, with 41mm fork tubes you could go find an old CBR600F3 fork and slide the tubes right in.
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since the bike comes with the larger forks stock, the stock frame is probably a little beefier as well which makes front end swaps even more appealing as the frame should be able to handle the addition stress a little better.
speaking for forks, lol you should see the ones on the old "R3" I just bought I think they are 35mm practically toothpicks
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FYI,
just saw the prices for the YZF-R3 in Canada... 4,999$ for the black model and 5,099$ for the blue or red ones. That would go up against the Ninja 300... 5,399$ for the base version and 5,599$ for the special edition. Looks like the Yamaha as another edge on Kawasaki. All prices are in CND$ and it's the MSRP on their website. |
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The Ninja 250 was only USD$2999 in 2007, now $4999 for 300 non-ABS. The prices have risen too quickly. Slightly longer stroke, slipper clutch, REMOVAL of complicated carb setup, fuel injector ... $2000.
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Wont be buying one, I want a small displacement race bike not a small displacement economy/"beginner" bike.
In other words this....
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yeah! cant wait for those to come out.
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Take a close look at the specs on the new Yami. It's not that different from the RC390 in power or spec level out of the box. Unmodified, neither one are actually race bikes. You're going to be swapping stuff out anyway to make a race/track bike, and once you start down that path the line between "small displacement economy/beginner bike" and "small displacement race bike" begins to blur. Ask @csmith12 whether an "economy/beginner" bike like the Ninjette can be considered a small displacement "race bike" or not. I think the RC390 is very, very cool. But the Yamaha, being a Yamaha, promises to have much better aftermarket support to turn it into true race bike.
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Mr. Fist, If memory serves me correctly, Andrew (DCMoney) and I have raced 250's together. ijs
As much as I want the lil yammi, I am waiting to see what the race orgs do. I just don't see how the 390 and the 250 are gunna be scored the same. And if not scored the same, then getting enough racers on the grid will be the next issue. I do like the small market competition that is going on now but leaves me scratching my head.
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Agreed. But the Yami and RC are pretty close power wise. The future is in bikes over 300cc now that the 250s aren't made anymore. So race orgs will, as always, suffer through the transition before phasing out the 250 class.
Yami makes its power higher up and has a higher redline, while the thumper in the KTM makes more torque down low. Will be interesting to see what happens once people start tweaking them.
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Seems like the Yamaha is gonna be a great starting platform. Now sure what the rc390 is going to have as MSRP let alone sticker price but if one bought an R3 they could easily put the left over cash towards some really nice upgrades.
As much as I like the rc390 on paper it might be hard to pass on the Yamy
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Your looking at power figure, I'm looking at the overall package... So lets look at what really matters. Frame geometry, suspension, brakes and weight. All factors that the KTM beats the Yamaha in. For your convience here are links to both. RC390 Specs R3 Specs - .eu so you don't have to convert inch to mm I have no doubt the R3 will be a fun bike to race. But its not a purpose built race bike. Dont kid yourself, the 250s were never meant to be riding like some of us do. It's an evolutionary process and as more people realize 200+ HP isn't really needed to have a good time we will see more small displacement race orientated bike being produced. Yamaha is following Kawasaki and Honda's recent found success in building an affordable good looking beginner bike. This is all coming from someone that consistently finishes on the podium on one of his 250 "race" bikes...
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