October 23rd, 2014, 11:00 AM | #481 |
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it seems like the race orgs will have their work cut out for them creating rules.
The bikes will all be so vastly different that it would make little sense to run them in the same stock class, especially if you have the 390 in the mix.
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October 23rd, 2014, 11:06 AM | #482 |
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The KY point of view.
A screwdriver is designed to turn screws but works ok for a pry bar too. A 250 (beginner bike) can work "ok" as a race bike too. And... if it has an engine on it, it WILL be raced in KY, even rototillers are not off limits. And I assure you, no manufacture will be making racing rototillers any time soon. lol
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October 23rd, 2014, 11:56 AM | #483 |
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csmith12's KY jelly making things easy
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October 23rd, 2014, 03:20 PM | #484 |
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Pics or it didn't happen.
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October 23rd, 2014, 03:42 PM | #485 |
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October 23rd, 2014, 06:27 PM | #486 |
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Well,
If it has an engine, it can be raced, I guess... But, if Internet would have an end, that video would be very near the end... |
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October 23rd, 2014, 06:46 PM | #487 |
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Just as a sideinfo: In Japan the Ninja 250 is still sold and starting in 2015 with a slipper clutch, Yamaha just brought the R25 and Kawasaki in Indonesia is making plans about a new 250 - so is the times for the 250 really over?
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October 23rd, 2014, 06:49 PM | #488 |
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I think he means in the US. I hope not though, its good, cheap, clean fun.
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October 24th, 2014, 06:44 AM | #489 | |
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October 24th, 2014, 06:57 AM | #490 | |
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January 10th, 2015, 09:03 PM | #491 |
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38.54hp Stock. +2.6hp on the Ninja up top, +5hp at 9000rpm. and stronger all the way. |
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January 10th, 2015, 09:04 PM | #492 |
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I expected as much, 5hp is massive in this class though
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January 10th, 2015, 09:26 PM | #493 |
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I sat on an R3 today. phenomenal bike. I liked it better than the ninja 300. Yamaha is onto something there.
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January 10th, 2015, 09:37 PM | #494 |
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Im a massive Honda fan and loved my cbr250 more than any bike ive owned in 40 years,
and was sad when I sat on the new 283cc version (cbr300) the other day as all that I liked about the 250 was gone. The seat was fatter, softer and lower, the bodywork was fatter, tank had lost that slim sporty feel, and the whole bike felt awkward like a ninja for me. I'm sure its a good bike but I never came to terms with my Ninja after being spoilt by the Hondas decade newer dynamics and featherweight slim precise feel. Cant wait for my R3. |
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January 11th, 2015, 08:55 AM | #495 |
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mmmmmm. R3 dyno graph looks lovely. The frame looks pretty great also. Can't wait until Yami does a demo event around me.
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January 11th, 2015, 09:16 AM | #496 |
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January 11th, 2015, 09:30 AM | #497 |
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I'm waiting for someone to buy it for his wife and realize she doesnt wanna ride anyay.. or someone to crash the **** out of it and sell it cheap... or someone to wreck it and get it repaired and it has a salvage title... if I'm spending $5k on a bike, it's gonna be to fly to japan and go pick up a zrx400 and fly it back with me
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January 12th, 2015, 08:08 AM | #498 | |
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but none the less it looks like the bike to have in a the little bike track class from the spec sheet
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January 12th, 2015, 09:08 AM | #499 |
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I was considering tracking my ninja 300, but after seeing the r3, it really tempts me.... lol, I still think the ninja 300 is a wonderful bike and I am very curious to how they both perform, the R3 is also lighter than the 300 and more powerful, kawi gotta step up their game. I know an aftermarket full exhaust, pods, etc. + power commander and the ninja 300 may be able to beat it if the R3 is stock. Although, if the R3 had pods/fullexhaust + power commander... oh man, it would probably hit 43hp. That is impressive from a small bike.
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January 12th, 2015, 04:07 PM | #500 |
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Lol, let's hope this competition gets even better, but stops the arms race on displacement. I'd rather see an arms race in chassis refinement.
Forget the power, it has previous generation R6 front end. aka, properly thick fork tubes. It's more than just the powerplant. |
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January 12th, 2015, 04:36 PM | #503 |
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The chassis refinement has already started. The Ninja 300 has a significantly better chassis and feel compared to the Ninja 250. Thanks to the competition. I'm sure it will only get better in time.
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January 12th, 2015, 11:58 PM | #504 |
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Wonder what the mark-up in California is going to be on these things. Would offer msrp * 1.07625 tax + $250 or $5632, but I will probably get laughed off the showroom floor, considering FZ-07 OTD prices here.
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By the way the 300's improvement is given for the 250 US-carbed model only because of EFI but in case of the 250-Fi it's only because it is the newer model. From the pure technical look the 250 got the better engine with a more sporty ecu-mapping, but who gives anything about technics when the marketing is telling you: Buy new... |
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January 13th, 2015, 06:33 AM | #507 |
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It's actually limited by controlling the opening of the throttle butterflies. I'm sure that would be reversible
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The chassis on the 300 will not be a limiting factor for 95% of riders. Since two of my close friends have bought 300's in the past month I have gotten to actually ride one and my opinions on the bike have changed. I would get a used ninja 300 over a new R3! You can pick up a used Ninja 300 with less 2000 miles for 3k which leaves you with 2k to make an R3 killer. |
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January 13th, 2015, 10:48 AM | #509 |
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Sweet that means I can pick up a pre gen ninja for cheap, you guys go ahead and buy the new R3. I actually really do like them as well as the new KTM but brand new prices are out of my cheap ass budget.
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January 13th, 2015, 11:54 AM | #510 |
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I can't decide if I should fantasize about an RC390 race bike or an R3 racebike.
I'm leaning towards the KTM as the chassis is a bit more race oriented and it has lower weight/more powa. But when I see that R3 concept on page 1... and I know a painter who could do it. I salivate. Heavily.
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Will it be the limit of most riders' performance? no. Will they be able to feel a difference between two chassis designs? I'd put money on it. Will they be able to pinpoint chassis flex as what they're feeling? Again, likely not. Compared to how much the suspension sucks on the ninjette and how much improvement can be attained for a small amount of money from suspension tweaks, will most people even care about the chassis differences? likely not. You know how completely different two bicycles of the same specs and of the same category can feel, why should motorcycles be any different? Compare a Tarmac with Ultegra spec to a TCR of Ultegra spec. There's a definite difference. Don't underestimate it. The limit is not the only place where differences can be felt. And thats comparing two frames that have nearly identical measurements; the R3 and N300 are completely different! Saying that chassis improvements are not needed and not appreciated because the 300 is 'good enough' is just as silly saying that the 250 is all the power you'll ever need and anything more is irresponsible. |
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I see your point, but if you want a better chassis go to a 600 Supersport. It's that simple. Learn to ride a 300 with it's more than adequate chassis and by the time that you can honestly say the chassis is holding you back, you are probably more than capable of riding a supersport. But I see what your saying about wanting different geometry options in the small displacement category. But for the majority of riders, this is not a factor and won't sell "beginner bikes." |
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^^^ werd,
but I'd still like to see 'better' chassis improvements because that can only help how these bikes handle, which is really all they're good at. What about those of us who don't want a bigger bike but want turning performance? heck, I can't even repeatedly pinpoint chassis flex because 99% of the time I ride like a clammy wimp. I'm pretty sure I'm a better rider than many of the newbie riders who move up to a 600 after a month. So it'll never be a limit to Me either. But I'm a nerd and want better for the sake of better. |
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Preload adjusters, springs, emulators/intiminators, or even cartridge drop-ins or fork swaps. A combo of the first three makes a huge change and is decently cheap. When the stock stuff is basic cheap damper rod forks, improvements are cheap and huge.
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January 15th, 2015, 01:16 PM | #519 |
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I know I need to adjust my preload as my suspension barely sags as I sit onto my bike. I may look into those other things too. Thanks!
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