November 12th, 2014, 02:23 PM | #561 |
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November 12th, 2014, 02:34 PM | #562 |
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November 12th, 2014, 03:03 PM | #564 |
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Ben, I am super proud to have been part of your progress thus far. Your maturity in the saddle has grown faster than the pics show but that is perfect, mine did too . Just keep doing what your doing, fix the little things along the way and you will make a great track rider but more importantly, a safe one too.
Well done sir! EDIT: Time to get that front end stable enough to inspire the confidence to consistently lean it a bit more.
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November 12th, 2014, 03:54 PM | #566 |
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@Sirref if you are running stock fork springs, id recommend .70 or .80 springs. My last outing at summit main was the first time i had my .70 springs in and it was great. You look just a little heavier than me, maybe .80 would suit you better. Either will be much better than stock tho and i got mine from sonic springs for like 70 or 80 bucks
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The next time I hit the track should feel amazing with a stiffer front end and 17" tires for better grip, I'm considering running the same 120/120 front/rear setup that ron had at jennings but I forgot to ask him if his rear wheel was stock (I think the stock newgen rear wheel will fit a 120 but I'm not sure)
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One more from Barber on 9/27/14. Screen cap from the instructor's gopro.
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November 13th, 2014, 05:27 PM | #573 |
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November 14th, 2014, 08:26 AM | #575 |
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^^^^^ lol and he rides in novice. hahahahahahhah Git ya some!!!
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November 14th, 2014, 08:48 AM | #576 |
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@chris 25Or: AWESOME pic, man! was there actually a photographer there or was there a camera on a tripod on the inside of the turn? Im guessing it was a photographer from a further distance with a really good zoom lens. Either way, this is an angle I REALLY want to get a picture of myself riding from. Very cool!
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November 14th, 2014, 08:52 AM | #577 |
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there was a photographer there and he was that close to the track
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November 14th, 2014, 08:52 AM | #578 |
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No, I'm too focused on the road ahead to even notice him and that's when I know where he's set up already.
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November 26th, 2014, 11:39 AM | #580 |
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I haven't posted a pic in here in a while. Here is my latest entry.
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November 26th, 2014, 11:50 AM | #581 | |
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EDIT: Do you sit pretty far back on the seat? Your BP in your lower half looks very similar to mine and I think I sit a little too far back on the seat. Im going to try and move myself a little more forward, next year, and try pivoting my body "around" the bike a little more (not extreme amounts, or anything). Someone told me they went to the Pridmore racing school and were taught that they should imagine there is an invisible string going from your gas cap to your belly button. |
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November 26th, 2014, 12:23 PM | #582 | |
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I sit about 3/4 back in the saddle. Many riders that have coached at the track know that I help them find their "sweet spot" in the saddle. It's different for everyone and mostly about getting a good lock on the bike with the knee on the tank to keep your lower torso stable, weight off the bars and not overextend your arms by sitting too far back. When taking the Pridmore school info into account, make sure you're not overextending the arms. Sitting farther back is a good thing, but you CAN sit too far back and that will depend on you and your bikes ergo setup. I should really do a post with a vid on how to find your sweet spot in the saddle. It really does wonders for your form, but more importantly... your overall comfort and confidence on the bike mid-corner. And fyi, the most uncomfortable part of my form is my ankles. I am not sure if there is a better way to keep tidy feet and not have so much stress in that area. If I figure it out, I will post up.
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November 26th, 2014, 12:32 PM | #583 |
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Thats right! I forget that you are a rider coach. In that case, give me some advice on these, please..
My analysis of my BP in those pics is that I might be a little too far back on the seat, head needs to get down lower, and I need to rotate my upper body back toward the bike a tiny amount. I think the rotating of the upper body will allow the outside arm to rest a little lower more comfortably. On my CBR, I was able to basically lay my forearm across the tank but I feel like the bars on the Ninja are quite a bit higher. In the second pic, below, you can see that im not super tense, or anything... maybe Im just sticking my head too far out? |
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November 26th, 2014, 01:09 PM | #584 |
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ABI photo aye... Your bike looks sooooo familiar and sick helmet! Have you been to Putnam with MCRA? Cause I am almost always there with them. Imma check my pics, I swear I was chasing you down last race at Putnam before I binned it in 8 lol. If that was you, then your fast bro! I will be trying to make it out to Gateway next season to ride/race with ya'lls.
Great pics! I like em and tell the ABI guy he does great work. The first thing I see in those pics is your spine is not inline with the bike. Head is fine, but slide your bum over a couple of more inches and that should solve that. And, how is your lock on the tank with the knee? Kinda hard to tell from the pics and the lil ninja is a fairly skinny bike without a pronounced tank lip, so it's a challenge either way. From those pics, you look to be about the same physical size as me, 5'11'', slide up an inch or two for cornering and it should put your knee/inner thigh in an area on the tank to support more of your weight. Once you get your torso 100% stable and comfortable, you can do what ya like or makes sense with your head and arms to support your cornering efforts.
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@csmith12: First off, thank you for the great reply and information! That is definitely helpful!
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The bike was also at Putnam back in April, though. The previous owner is @Aodrn. I traded a stock 2012 Ninja 250 to him for this one, straight up. Hes a good guy and from what I recall, he was pretty decently quick! If you can get out to Gateway, its a pretty fun place to ride. On a 250, I think I only barely touch my brakes in 1 or 2 places, briefly. The rest of the time the throttle is pretty much wide open and a quick downshift gives enough engine braking to set proper corner entry speed. Its also the place Ive come closest to getting an elbow down (turn 7). I agree. Next year, I plan on having some more money to where I can actually pay/support the guy. He definitely deserves the support as he takes great pics for us and travels all over the place just to stand out in the sun/heat and get them. Besides, its like $60 for a package deal to get every pic they take of you, all weekend. Not bad... Quote:
The lock on the tank with my knee is pretty much my reference point for an anchor. I used to make the reference point my outside arm and try to lay it across the tank like I described before. I found that using the knee locked to the tank as the anchor gave me a better/easier to find reference and made "knee to knee" through quick switchbacks a lot easier. I know what you mean about it being more difficult without the "lip", but you can definitely feel it "lock" in to place when youre close to the sweet spot. You hit the nail right on the head with my body size. I am 5' 11" and about 160-165 lbs. Once the weather gets nice, I'm definitely going to try sliding up a little more in the saddle and Ill let you know how it goes. Thanks for your time, man! Its much appreciated! Oh, and a throwback to Putnam... this was me back in April. Look familiar, at all? |
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So we have missed each other at Putnam... that is what I am hearing. Let's fix that next year.
Yea, I mean get your bottom off the bike (not back) a bit more to catch up with your head. Spine and bike in line over all. The exception to the this rule is the hook turn but the only time you really can use it at Putnam is turn 10, and I got no clue about gateway until I ride there. /Ninja riding secret Once your 1000% confident in cornering, the next step to getting my bp is the eyes. When your confidence is beyond what the bike is doinging, it starts to show in the bp pics. Head gets lower, shoulder and elbows drop much lower and the relaxed riding shows oh sooooo bluntly. Basically, your head leads the bike, instead of keeping up with the bike. You will know when you feel it. Anyways... just try to line your spine with the bike and find your sweet spot and everything else will work itself out as needed or extra questions. It's clear you're not a n00b.
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Tip: If you're having trouble getting there, check your turn in points/lines compared to your other MCRA racers, they are a very talented group. Basically, if your head chases a point beyond what your bike is heading toward, then maybe those points/lines can be adjusted. That is kinda a hard thing to understand unless you're kicking yourself saying "dang it.... I could have went faster." If you feel me, if not lemme know. But I think that is what you got going on, you're no n00b and your body position is showing you got more in the tank, but you're holding back for your own reasons.
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^^^^^ very nice model and explanation of what proper alignment looks like.. it is something i have been trying to work on as far as being off the bike but parallel to it..
here are two of me from the last track day.. the first from the back (im on blue) im in a good position but i need to get the top lower and closer and move the butt out a little to make it parallel, i think its just the fact of going into the left hander i am throwing myself into the corner and getting out og alignment to some degree.. the second pic is of me from the side going into a right and that looks pretty good and i think i can tell im better on that side given the fact that on right handers i either pass or pull away from my buddies and on left handers they make up space or get further away.. just goes to show my right side is my comfortable side.. the last pic is of my buddy that has been riding for longer and he is going into the same left hander.. his body is up a little higher but more parallel to the bike than mine is.. he is also only like 5'6 so maybe that makes a difference.. |
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Here's one from last weekend at Buttonwillow. Camera on my friend's bike. I could still lower my upper body a bit more. But I think my bp is way better than last year.
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December 4th, 2014, 01:19 PM | #590 |
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Nice Gurk! Yep, much progress made.
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I don't get it. Nothing in that picture matches anything I have.
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My head and torso need to come a lot lower, I feel like clip ons would make all the difference. I think I can see myself smiling through the visor bc of the knee dragging.... lol
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December 5th, 2014, 10:09 PM | #598 |
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your head and torso are fine. Their position is greatly affected by your bars.
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I think I'm ok in this department. Next trip my mission is to brake as late as possible, without running off lol
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do that in baby steps. Don't try to eat the whole enchilada in one bite. Braking late/trailing into the turn is one of those skills that of done right, can boost confidence beyond belief. If done wrong, it can really throw you off and cause lots of panic. Ask me how I know
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