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November 22nd, 2019, 12:36 PM | #43 | |
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Honestly, I think you as a motorcycle business owner should reach out to Kawasaki and ask if they will help you. If they won't, then I can find a dealer in Thailand who will. Don't forget, Kawasaki is claiming it's a world wide model, so the USA might still get them, even if they prove to be a special order item! |
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November 22nd, 2019, 01:14 PM | #45 |
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I'm totally in for one myself, FWIW
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I asked yesterday at the Kawi booth at the Long Beach bike show and the guy suggested we write to Corporate and tell them we want the ZX-25R here in the US. They don't think there's a market.
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Areas where little bikes are more popular, I'd guess. Mexico likes 125s and 250s, and so do Phillipines, China, Thailand maybe. Places where the extra power and speed of big bikes isn't useful. We have big open highways here, which favors bigger bikes.
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November 25th, 2019, 12:45 AM | #50 |
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I don't think there's a market in the USA of any reasonable size. Target markets are places with tiered licensing and displacement taxes. And racers who are displacement limited.
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Many of the other large motorcycle markets rely on cycles as basic transportation only, and purchase simple inexpensive cycles for transportation because cars are too expensive. Not sure about the U.S. It would depend on the price I think. If it was just a bit more than your normal 250/300/400 it might fly, but if it started to get close to 600 SS territory I don't think they would sell. It's not bad, but the frame looks low-end to me. I'm sure it's adequate, but it doesn't have the same race-inspired/mini Super Sport replica look of the 250/4s from back in the day. It would be a hoot for sure. A 400/4 might be even better... |
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I've been excited about RS660 since prototype came out at show in 2018. Claims back then was it's going to be ~300lbs! Sad to see it's gained +73 lbs since then! Wet-weight around 420lbs makes it not so exciting any more. I've been saving up for it since then, now what am I gonna get???
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ZX6R is 430lbs wet, but 130hp. RS660 is living in the past. There's always more than numbers but it seems disproportionate to the price
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November 26th, 2019, 05:30 AM | #58 |
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If the zx25r has the same power per liter as the 636, we're looking at 51.5hp. That's a little less exciting that the rumored 60
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Every so often I see numbers like this and have to remind myself what a marvel my HP is with 215 horsepower at 377-lbs wet
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FWIW: I ran by my local dealer today (I was in the area) and we spoke about the 25R. He said he's had requests like this before and the way to get Kawasaki to send at least a few to the US is if there are a number of customers willing to put a deposit on one if word comes they'll be shipped in. If anyone wants to put their name on that list, let me know.
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PM me or call https://www.lakecitypowersports.com/ (206) 364-1372 and tell them Yakaru (Yah-Kah-Rew) told you to ask for Tim in sales, tell him you want on the ZX25R list.
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Nice, I'm glad a dealer is stepping up to help. Any word on weight or power or other specs?
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I’m trying to get firm figure on dry and wet weight. When it shows up at Indonesian dealers, I’m have our contact there check it out.
I wonder how they do two different power outputs? I suppose electronic solution would be easiest. Milder ignition-map on 45ps model? With DBW, you can just program it to not open throttle all the way! Smaller engines typically have higher specific-output than larger ones. It’s based on ratio of valve-curtain area to cylinder volume. As you scale up in size, cylinder volume increases by cube-power (^3), however valve-curtain area only increase by square-power (^2). So larger and larger cylinders are choked more and more due to limited flow through valves. That’s also how little engines can rev to 19-20K, they can actually flow that much air with same cam-specs. Bigger engines lose VE in high-end and shows dropping torque and power curve. Compare late-‘80s to early-‘90s 250 inline-4s versus their bigger countreparts. They were getting around 45-bhp. That would be 180-bhp for litre-bike. No litre-bike would get 180-bhp for another 20-years. ZX10R finally got there in 2008. With modern advances in EFI , materials tech and oil, I don’t doubt it can get 60-bhp. Weight is still concern... |
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Well, it's a no-show at the Thai motor expo. Guess we will just have to wait a bit longer.
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Local Thai dealer says 7 months before they are available here, expecting them in June. They didn't have any new details. One guy in the showroom was excited I asked, all the other employees had no idea it existed.
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If you special order, how do you plan to source parts later?
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From what I've seen, sourcing parts is easier than bikes; and I'm sure that if it's via the dealer that they'll be willing to assist on that front too.
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Yeah, dealers just send in part-numbers and various warehouses ship it. They don’t care what model bike it goes on....
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That parts bill has me scared just thinking about it. You'd be better off building a killer RS250 or RGV I'd think haha
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Some more news.... just what redline is...
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Bad news, Indian sources are saying 190kg. If that's true, I'm out. Much to heavy for what it is.
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Yeesh, the 2020 S1000 is 193.5; wonder why it'd be so heavy
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Wow, that's 45kg heavier than my race 250. Much, much too much weight for just double power. Wonder why it's so much heavier than '90s version? Alloy frame's not that significantly heavier. ABS is only 4kg or so extra. Doesn't have dual-discs in front... hmm...
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It's got a big bike swing arm, it's got full-size front forks. Steel frame. Water cooled inline 4. I don't think it's a large-budget machine, the idea is a small displacement bike so people can save money on registration and displacement taxes. None of that saves weight. Comes in about 20lbs lighter than a ZX6R, makes sense honestly.
Redline is 17k, lower than the old generation. Unless they have 2 very different versions, aka small street and lightweight race bike with a different physical state of tune, I don't see this thing being all that interesting. |
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Yeah huh? Carbon-fibre has significantly more strength-to-weight and better fatigue-resistance than either steel or alloy. Something tennis-racquet, golf-club, fishing-rods and bicycle makers have caught on decades ago.
An under-utilised material is titanium. At least in U.S. it's very costly due to being monopolised by military. It's so abundant and cheap in Russia, you can walk into any hardware-store and buy titanium garden shovels that'll never rust or break!!! Seems only moto outfit using ti to any great benefit is NCR. |
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