July 29th, 2012, 08:07 AM | #41 |
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I find some new riders sometimes like being very aggressive on the inside peg (climbing to much too the inside of the bike), meaning your changing the centre of balance of the bike too much creating a sharper turn angle than required. If you notice your very heavy on the inside peg (please notice I said IF) your probably guilty of a bad centre of balance for the turn.
Even pressure on the pegs (think of not having a seat) and work the upper body more than the bottom. A lot of roads require continuous small adjusts through corners to maintain the turn angle required, without a stable bottom half it's hard to maintain and adjust with the top half. This may be totally unrelated to your case though and you just may be too aggressive with your upper body (centre of balance), keep turning, your body will catch up ... Just remember, work the bike, don't let it work you. |
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July 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM | #42 | ||
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Get your rear shock set. It's one of the best free mods you can do to improve the cornering performance of the ninja. Setting it is really easy too. Like nearly all motorcycles, the rear shock works best in its mid-stroke range while in motion. Use your spanner and turn that adjuster till you find that range. Don't worry about weighting pegs if your new. Just worry about finding your riding position on the bike that gets your legs & torso supporting your body weight (not your arms).
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July 29th, 2012, 09:55 AM | #43 |
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I understand R1chronicles -- I don't think I put too much weight on my pegs, but then again, I have not really paid too much attention to them while making a curve or turn. I will try to notice when I ride next time and try to correct that. I do know that I have been hugging my gas tank with my legs alot more lately due to the fact that it seems to be helping with my butt "comfort" but also around curves and that has helped alot. I have also relaxed my shoulders and arms due to the strong gust of wind that blew me off the road and I failed to countersteer enough to correct it. So now I am tucking more to correct that and using my tank and knees to help me countersteer. Now I am just having to get my speed back up since I am still nervous with a strong gust of wind. I know the importance of "getting back on the horse", I so want to ride -- I realize it will take a little time to get my nerve back.
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July 29th, 2012, 10:07 AM | #44 |
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I like the "delayed apex approach" csmith, I will try that. I know initially I did have the entry speed issue, but I have overcome that. I try to look at the posted speed limit and stay around that due to traffic. My leaning is much better than before - again I feel it is due to experience, but I have been practicing. I am not sure what you mean about bike set-up????? I have a better line set-up. Body position?? I just go with the bike, is that right? I don't overcompensate turns or curves. I throttle up right past the middle of the curve near as I am exiting. Does this make sense?
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July 29th, 2012, 10:44 AM | #45 | |
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July 30th, 2012, 01:19 PM | #46 |
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Thank you for posting this R1Chronicles, I am going to try one exercise tonight and see how I do on the curves. I can use all the help I can get, I really appreciate it!!!
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July 31st, 2012, 07:01 AM | #47 | |
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The effect is just as TN described; if I followed the natural line of the corner I'd chosen, I'd end up inside the turn. The corrections (in a car) would be throttle (to slide out a bit more) or straighten (not using the whole turning circle). Either way, slower than entering the turn later. In the above corner #1, you can actually brake later and turn in later (not the (X) but a point deeper and a bit to its right, 'cause the apex you want to hit is not the one in the diagram but a point roughly where the line pointing from "Must Roll-off or Run-off" crosses the inside curb. Of course if you haven't been down that road, better to slow way down and not be surprised by the decreasing radius turn. I have definitely not experimented much with trailbraking on two wheels! (and I probably won't until I have better gear and a track to work on, not a street road) |
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July 31st, 2012, 01:19 PM | #48 |
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I think I know most of my problem has been with curves and turns -- COUNTERSTEERING!!!!! Since I have been practicing my curves are really getting to be much easier and I am able to start enjoying them more. I have been guilty of actually "turning" my handlebars in a turn and not countersteering which is why I was so uneasy and unable to feel confident, can't imagine why - duh?????
Anyway my husband couldn't believe it when I was explaining to him how I was actually going thru my curves, poor guy he really has his plate full with me We went on a ride last night and I countersteered thru a curve that is sort of tight and it was no problem. Awkward at first since I wanted to physically turn the handlbars completely but then it happend -- I SAW THE LIGHT - countersteer, yes countersteer, I got it now |
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:59 AM | #49 | |
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August 3rd, 2012, 11:07 AM | #50 |
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Gratz Malinda! You are on a better path to being able to accurately steer with confidence!
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August 3rd, 2012, 11:49 AM | #51 | |
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I mean, yes I understand,lol RedOctober. Csmith12, I am feeling better and building my confidence back |
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August 3rd, 2012, 04:32 PM | #52 |
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The way your going about it, you will end up a better rider than most, nicely done.
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