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Just let me own a P90, thats all i want. CT's gun laws are similar to cali and its rediculous. Just because a gun is "scary" looking now i cant have it. I dont mind needing the licensing, or better background checks, but let me buy what i want. I dont need military weapons, but whats wrong with the civilian version of said weapon.
Yes most of my voting is based on 2A now....which is sad because i only own 2 guns.
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Asking a friend or co-worker is nice but what if I don't have a friend or co-worker. What if my friends and co-workers also don't know anything about firearms? Full disclosure I own multiple firearms - rifles, shotguns, and handguns. I've been hunting since I was in elementary school. |
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It also doesn't address the fact that even if people did realize they needed training and were responsible enough to seek it out that they'd receive the same level of competent instruction from a knowledgeable individual. I'm not concerned about the percentage of firearm owners who realize they need training and are responsible enough to seek it. I'm concerned about the ones that need training and don't know it or are too lazy to get it. |
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Still doesn't address the problem, criminals will NOT seek training to commit crimes. Until the focus is put on the "criminal" instead of the gun (or any other tool used as a weapon), this problem will ALWAYS exist. Game, set and match.
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Well; at least it's only one thread on guns, politics and religion!
One of the truly attractive aspects I've admired over the year or so has been the absence of the big three from the friendliest forum on the Internet! I often wondered if Alex was quietly deleting controversial threads! What it does prove is though we all have our opinions and some of those opinions may be firmly held; the membership of this forum are truly exceptional and of fine character. Carry on good people!
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So.... to shift the current chatter to another subject. How does everyone sort out fact from fiction?
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I seek the advice of csmith12 of course!
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Not anybody that would bring bill around
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So he is not gonna be molesting an raping folks in the White House again while his wife is in office? If we can write in here I'm voting Bernie
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Common sense: Fair game is fair game, if one side brings in the spouse of the other into the equation, then it's applicable on BOTH sides. Running or not, history has proven that the spouse of the elected president has a major influence on policy.
Like it or not, that is the way it is. EDIT: imho, a non elected official should be barred from influencing policy and be solely limited to "charity" work.
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I'd hate to see either of these turds in office... I won't vote for Hillary; she is even worser than drumpf
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libertarians- sure, your policy makes sense to you, living in the middle of nowhere, you dont see or aparently need much government, and you dont want to pay taxes because of it. cool. vote libertarian. all 12 of you. republicans- i get it. you dont like people who you believe are immoral. and you want to stop them from being immoral bastards. maybe you even believe they should be more christian. maybe you very strong ideas about what america is, and you hate that other people are tarnishing that image with things like cultural immigration, strong religious people (who arent your religion) coming in trying to have things their way. i get it. you dont like people who dont agree with you. maybe you think obama's trying to take our guns. vote for whoever the hell you want. that's your right. democrats- i know i know. the entire government is full of ****. but you want someone who at least tries to pretend to represent you. you want someone who at least will put a liberal justice in the SCOTUS. vote hillary. or whoever the **** you want. my point is- democracy works when you vote for the people who represent you. when you are the minority, guess what- you get less votes. the people who are represented more get more votes. this is called fairness. don't go and tell other people their views are wrong. libertarian views may make zero ****ing sense in a populous area, that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense in the middle of nowhere. republican views make zero sense outside of the south or rich white areas. that doesn't mean you get to tell them their views are wrong. have your view. explain your view. vote by your view. everyone else can do the same. there's zero point telling people their view is wrong. if they want to vote for a racist biggot, that is their decision. that is who they want to be represented by. me? i'll write in sanders. am i a tiny minority? yes. am i going to tell you your views are wrong? probably, but i shouldn't. because everyone is entitled to their own ****ed up retarded opinion.
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I think the fear is real, it's not imaginary, but I also think the fear is not legitimate. If in deed there was a catastrophe of that nature then the pea shooters that most gun owners have won't make a hill of beans difference against the weapons the government already has. The fact of the matter is that if there is a collapse of that nature then 95% of the people reading this will be dead inside a year, probably much sooner than that, and that includes a lot of the so-called preppers. No amount of personally owned small arms will make a difference in that scenario, other than perhaps to hasten the final result as people who thought they were honorable, decent people decide to use their guns to take food from others in order to feed their own starving children. Would you be willing to watch your child starve to death? No. The real task is to prevent that from happening, and one obstacle to that is the false sense of security that comes with owning guns. BTW, I'm a gun-owner, have been all of my life. I've sent thousands of rounds down-range over the decades. I don't hunt for philosophical reasons, and I've never had to point a weapon at anyone. I don't have a CCW, and probably won't get one. I like guns because they're fun to shoot, and I like the concentration and mental focus demanded by long-distance target shooting. |
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^^^ if only the rest of us could be so level.
imho, it's part of the core issues with today's affairs.
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Do you believe Trump has not incited violence at his rallies?
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If you mean "trigger" or "release" what was already there, then yes. If you mean create something out of nothing, then no.
It's quite obvious, he is tapping the well of anger. If you deny it, I feel you are blind to a large part of the frustration people have.
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Food for thought...
Here is what I am facing; 1. 60% gross income taxation - full transparency... I am currently at 48% as a self employed person, making 6 figures for 2015. Between fed, state, local, sales, property and other small taxes... blah, I would like to keep more of the $$$ I work 80+ hrs a week for. Thanks. 2. Health care - My wife has had to change docs twice because of insurance carrier changes and my family primary caregiver has opted out of the network we participate in. My plan deductible has risen from $1500 to over $7k and all I got from it was a dental check up for free for Jade. All the other kids are too old to qualify. My 2nd oldest daughter no longer qualifies because she didn't qualify for student assistance in college. Point is.... read the fine print. It sounds great as a tag line, the devil is in the details. 3. Firearms - one day.... I will wake up and be against the law for what I currently own. Perhaps this will never happen, but I dunno but don't really matter. Don't make a criminal where there was none before. Otherwise it is seen as a revenue stream. 4. Kids - Helping my kids do homework is an exercise in frustration for me and them! Here is the kicker though. As a person with an above average IQ, I support the core idea behind common core (to teach people to think outside the box). The implementation leaves something to be desired at best. 5. Double dipping - Stop taxing my tax returns. If I overpaid in taxes, then the rest is mine. To have to claim it again is aggravating to say the least. This is just one example of double dipping. 6. Homes - If I want to build a fence, I don't need to pay $65 to the county/state for permission to do something on land "I" own. I moved sooooooo far away from people to have this freedom. I don't need it imposed on me to protect squirrels. My closest neighbor is 300ft away, divided by 20+ acres of heavy forest. That is enough imho. 7. Kids cont... - It does NOT take a village. I am perfectly fine between me and my wife raising my own kids without the help of the government. In fact, they are causing me problems when it comes to which bathroom to use and such. imho... it's not hard. Male = men's restroom, Female = women's restroom. If you are in between, it hasn't been a real problem, don't make it one now. Trump's remarks toward women.... imho... really? are you even alive or just sheltered. Sure, you may not hear those remarks in a NFL locker room. Good! They make 10mil+, they should not, but for us mortals that have to deal with everyday life, then YES... you do hear stuff like that. If you think not, your kidding yourself. Put a mic on a school bus if you don't believe me. Treatment of women (and others) was long a problem before this election or you can claim it now, don't really care either way. 8. Jobs - As a tech person, I have been fired, just to have my job outsourced to India or other cheap labor. Not that it is a bad thing totally, but does play a role in my planning for the future. Free college is awesome but earn it by working in your field of college study for the first 5 or so years. So you can establish yourself in that field. To get a free art degree and end up as a sales manager doesn't really help things overall. 9. World relations - Play stupid games, win stupid prices. Really.... ask yourself honestly, at what point do you call the ball and say, "we must be able to help ourselves before we can help others." And TRUST, I help people waaaaaaayyyyyyy more than I should. I don't just say that without thought. While I believe we should extend a helping hand when it makes sense, we cannot be the saviour of the world. Quote:
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Fair enough, still doesn't address problem at hand. "Feelings" never solved any problems, only actions. Ya see, I am one of those hard arses... give me some evidence that is kinda tangible that the change will make a real difference. Otherwise.... wtf ever. And yes, sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all.
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Yes, but somewhat not really. The thing is, you don't "experiment" with the rights of 319 million people. It's the 2nd amendment, it is not to be treated lightly or spoken about changing on a whim. Right, wrong, indifferent, you're going to piss someone off... no getting around it, just accept it.
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Frugal, maybe you're right and I need a better accountant, but I truly believe you highly underestimate the level of ethics I have. I fired my last accountant that "saved" me $$$ by questionably filling out the tax forms. I have no issue paying my part and fair share, however... I highly dislike being taken advantage of. Here is a peek of what is going on with YOUR $$$ as well as everyone else's that posts here.
You get taxed on your gross income at the fed level - deductions (15%-22%) You get taxed on your gross income at the state level - deductions (around 7%) You pay taxes on nearly every dollar you spend - sales tax (6%+, 33%+/- on gas and other taxes on top of that for other goods they specifically tax outside of the norm) You pay school tax on your utilities .3% (around $12 a month) You might pay city our county taxes depending on where you live (1-2% around $200-$300 bucks) You pay tax year after year, after year on your car, house and other properties just because you own them. Local levee's for XYZ schools, parks, museums, ect... ect... bla bla bla bla bla bla Trust me, you are in the same boat as me, you only get about 50ish% of you're income, the rest goes to someone else. So say you get $1000 -18% = $820 (add another 15% for me because I am self employed, yes I know a good chunk of that is SSI, but that don't help my monthly budget none and may be taxable later anyway... :\) -7% = $750 (that is 7% of $1k not $820) School tax - $12 = $738 City tax @ 1.5% = $15 - $738 = $723 Property taxes @ $1500 a year for home/auto = $125... $598 left Levee's $8 = $590 If you spend $590 on goods that are subject to sales tax then - 6% of that too. = $554 Hey, not bad for making $1k right? Other comments I fully understand that HOA's and city ordinances keep property values and safety up but it is far to often taken too far. For example, my friend lives within city limits. If he doesn't mow his yard according to the schedule of the city, they will come mow it for him and charge him $75 that he must pay or he will have to go to court. That is plain wrong!!!! Don't get me wrong, Mr. Trumps comments and actions toward women are equal to a jar of farts, but I 1000% assure you, worse things are happening on a school bus every day and nobody bats an eye. Seems the priorities are out of whack a bit according to down home country folks. And as far as your grandfather clause. That went out the window with certain bans and city ordinances at the local level. For example; pit bulls are legal to own, but many cities now ban them. Get them out, surrender them or pay the fines, the choice is yours. They will do the same with guns if given the chance, just a matter of time.
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