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Old September 22nd, 2012, 08:19 AM   #1441
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 08:34 AM   #1442
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 09:59 AM   #1443
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 10:11 AM   #1444
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So the top the end with ethanol free gas is 115 mph, and the top end of fuel economy is 105 mpg, both a very impressive. Too bad you probably cant get them at the same time. There still isnt enough data to say, but it's looking more and more like it's going to be around 80 MPG on the highway. This is starting to look like this might be a good bike, but it's never going to be a 250.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 11:39 AM   #1445
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Uhm, the 300 does not go 115mph
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 11:47 AM   #1446
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n**********rg hahaha. There's a stunting section. Ba!

1, of course it's going to a great bike; they improved upon everything these boards have been griping about for a long time. So far, I haven't seen a negative review yet.
2, mpg's aren't the deciding factor. That being said, 50mpg while being flogged sounds pretty enticing.
3, I'll believe top speed numbers and mpg numbers once there's more of these bikes out on the roads.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:28 PM   #1447
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:37 PM   #1448
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The review video from MCN shows the speedometer at 185km/h on the Autobahn.

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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:41 PM   #1449
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Another review. More of a first ride report so it's pretty light on details. It does mention, however, a $200 price increase for the SE lime green/black paint scheme in the US.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 12:42 PM   #1450
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The review video from MCN shows the speedometer at 185km/h on the Autobahn.

That's 115mph.
And how accurate are speedometers?

I can easily get my 250 to 110, but its not really going 110
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Yes it's 115 mph, assuming no error in the speedo at all.

I would bet that's more like 110 mph, which is a safe 5% speedo error assumption.

But who knows, I could be completely wrong, the speedo could be perfectly accurate, and the bike could actually do 115, which would be completely awesome!
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A french review took the 300 on the Autobahn and got 177 kmh on the speedo and GPS verified at 174 kmh so based on that, it seems like there's a bit of a speedo error.
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Yes it's 115 mph, assuming no error in the speedo at all.

I would bet that's more like 110 mph, which is a safe 5% speedo error assumption.

But who knows, I could be completely wrong, the speedo could be perfectly accurate, and the bike could actually do 115, which would be completely awesome!
Didn't that dude from the magazine do a review and he said he got it to 105 stock? That seems more accurate
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post above says a magazine got it to a GPS 174 kph, that's 108 mph. Pretty impressive
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:14 PM   #1459
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 02:45 PM   #1460
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 03:37 PM   #1461
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That's one nice bike Don't think you lost out at all by choosing the white over the green/ebony. So it's confirmed at least that the 49 state spec 300 is an open loop EFI system and no cat.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 03:44 PM   #1462
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That's one nice bike Don't think you lost out at all by choosing the white over the green/ebony. So it's confirmed at least that the 49 state spec 300 is an open loop EFI system and no cat.
Is that better or worse to have an o2 sensor and "bungs" and "no cat" or is it better to have those things?
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That's one nice bike Don't think you lost out at all by choosing the white over the green/ebony. So it's confirmed at least that the 49 state spec 300 is an open loop EFI system and no cat.
Thats a bit strange. Oh well FREE O2 sensors and bungs for all californians yay!
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 04:08 PM   #1464
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Thats a bit strange. Oh well FREE O2 sensors and bungs for all californians yay!
You just wanted to say the word "bungs" . I'm not so sure yet that it's for certain that the California model will get the 02 sensor and cat. As far as I know, California requires some type of evap system so that could be the difference between the 49 state spec 300. The previous gen 650R was an open loop system for California just like the rest of the other states. I'm not sure about the 2012 650 and emissions regulations could have changed since then though. You Californians would know better.

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Is that better or worse to have an o2 sensor and "bungs" and "no cat" or is it better to have those things?
You might get slightly different figures on the Dyno and different fuel consumption figures. I doubt it would make that much of a dramatic difference in terms of how "sporty" or "racy" the 300 is on the street if that's what you're wondering. It kinda depends on what Kawasaki mapped into the ECM of the open loop FI system. The O2 sensor closes the system. It continually sends signals back to the ECM to help fine tune fuel delivery/injection. The cat will help with removing contaminants from the emissions.
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Is that better or worse to have an o2 sensor and "bungs" and "no cat" or is it better to have those things?
It's better to have O2 sensors, then the computer monitors air/fuel and compensates accordingly so you always have the best ratio for power/economy, however it's tuned. Cats restrict exhaust flow a bit but produce better emissions, I can't see them getting away with not running them unless it's a perk of running open loop.

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Yes it's 115 mph, assuming no error in the speedo at all.

I would bet that's more like 110 mph, which is a safe 5% speedo error assumption.

But who knows, I could be completely wrong, the speedo could be perfectly accurate, and the bike could actually do 115, which would be completely awesome!
I read somewhere that the 300 speedo was dead on, but the GPS does have the final say. Unlike the mechanical speedos of the 250s, the digital ones can be calibrated to be spot on. I don't know if Kawi actually does that, but they can be.

In any event, the 115 mph was indicated speed not GPS speed.
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The OEM UK 250 has extra sensors such as a digital speedo input, air pressure sensors, and secondary throttle sensors. I suspect that the 300 is similar. Its enough to make sure the mix is right.
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Congrats on the purchase rus! You guys need to quit hoggin all the 300s, leave some for us Canucks up north :P
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So the top the end with ethanol free gas is 115 mph, and the top end of fuel economy is 105 mpg, both a very impressive. Too bad you probably cant get them at the same time. There still isnt enough data to say, but it's looking more and more like it's going to be around 80 MPG on the highway. This is starting to look like this might be a good bike, but it's never going to be a 250.
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The 2013 looks like a great bike I do really love the fuel injection. A 115 MPH is not that important to me though, most of the roads I ride are 45-55ish. However, the 105 mpg is a huge thing for me, since I use my Ninja for commuting (I got it for mpg, well and looks, lol). Even at 80mpg it sounds more like moped gas mileage. I'd like to see some real life figures on this mpg thing.
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