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opposing flow of traffic? what's every road without one-way? I've ridden through blind intersections, but not without checking for clearance. I don't see the point of your questions. You failed to provide the answers to my questions in my previous post. I will not answer any more of your questions until you do so. Quote:
I never call you names or call you stupid or arrogant, tough your ideas may be. I pose valid possibilities to your accident and how you could have avoided it. You only see what you could do, but failed to see other possibilities, we all have that in common in life, but important thing is to learn from your mistakes. I never revealed my mistakes so there is nothing for you to pick up and hit me against. That's the reason you're giving up. |
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July 29th, 2011, 11:26 AM | #163 |
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That looks really painful I don't think anyone makes it through life without getting some scars though. It sounds like you've learnt from this. Hopefully you'll keep enjoying riding after you've healed up... this time with gear obviously.
Sadly you've had to learn from your own experience. For everyone else: watch this. Vitamin C is the thing you need to help your body repair its skin - I guess all your best advice will come from your doctor though. Last futzed with by akima; July 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason: rephrase |
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July 29th, 2011, 11:35 AM | #164 |
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N Ja,
like you said, not all accidents are avoidable. with that statement in mind, is there any reason to not take precautions to try to minimize potential injury caused by such an unavoidable accident?
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July 29th, 2011, 01:13 PM | #165 |
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Sorry about your crash. To answer your question about how long it will take to heal--to the point that you are not in pain--my estimate is a minimum of ten weeks.
As a former bicycle racer, I am very familiar with road rash. When the scabs come off, use lots of Aloe Vera. Don't use Aloe if there is still weeping and excessive sensitivity. It was a long thread. I will say, and have said so before on this forum, that the mantra "There are two kinds of motorcyclists--those who have crashed and those who will" That, folks, is a myth. I have been riding since 1958--mostly touring bikes. I had a Ninja for two years, and now have a 700cc Sport Touring bike. I have never had an accident in a cage or on a motorcycle. Why? 1.) Advanced MSF Course every spring. 2.) One Track day a year minimum 3.) ATTGATT 4.) Safety check the bike each morning Cage: Defensive driving course once a year. Keeping the car in top condition. Checking tire pressure weekly. I am 69 years old and plan to ride a long time. The last time I checked, I have logged 350,000+ miles on my bikes. I stopped counting--kind of like birthdays when you get to my age.
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July 29th, 2011, 02:16 PM | #167 | |
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I rode a motorcycle for the first time this month and loved it. It's possible I will be in an accident, but I'm setting my focus on safe riding practices and safe journeys; just like target fixation is bad on a micro level, I suspect it's probably bad on a macro level too. I think focusing on an expectation that you will fall may way play a part in causing you to fall. That philosophy extends beyond motorcycles I think. Focus on what you want. This guy expresses it quite well: Choose not to fall.
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July 29th, 2011, 02:29 PM | #168 |
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I am making my kids watch that video. A breath of fresh air....
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July 29th, 2011, 04:40 PM | #169 |
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VERY cool video. Choose not to fall. Target fixate on that. I like how you think, Akima! Nice!
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July 29th, 2011, 06:29 PM | #170 |
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cannot believe what I have been reading on this thread. typical "it wont happen to me" because "I am a save driver". I really want to call people names but I wont, it really would not make a difference.
Alex I don't know why people did not understand your accident, it was perfectly clear to me the first time and English is not even my first language, no collage ether. sombo it could be because I also am ET lol. All I have to say (and some have been said before) is they are called accidents for a reason, just because you are very good at avoiding them does not mean you will avoid ALL of them. To say that you don't always need to ride with gear because you will rely on your riding skills does not make sense to me. all accidents are avoidable in hindsight. to alex and sombo, I would just stop wasting my time with them. I will continue to ride with my gear regardless of how safe of a rider I become. I sincerely hope no one has to be proven wrong. |
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Choose not to fall, how about choose not to get into accidents?
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July 29th, 2011, 07:35 PM | #172 |
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hey A I really don't care to change your mind that much, I really don't want to get in to this over analyze and quote game.
you can NOT choose to "not get in to accidents" or "not to fall". that is a silly statement. if your talking about the power of the mind and visualizing then say that, you can still get into an accident regardless. If someone had one accident I would not consider them unsafe, if they had many accidents then I would probably consider them unsafe. Why? because safe riders CAN have an accident, if you have record its probably more on the individual. I don't need to take an English class to understand simple forum post, I did not practice critical thinking when reading alex's post. I was not trying to solve a problem lol, just actually reading each word with out assuming, its in black and white. If your not claiming that you can avoid all accidents than you can agree that you should wear your gear regardless of how safe you are right? btw I never said gear is more important than riding skills, nether did alex or sombo, riding skills are not in question here and that is the problem you seem to ignore, again they are call accidents for a reason. that's your third strike, you are on the ignore list hahaha no JK . what I am trying to say is that riding skills are not related to riding gear at all, completely different things one gets you out of accidents the other protects you once (if) you have an accident. no one is arguing that except you and J. the reason I said every accident is avoidable in hindsight is because no matter what you will always find a way to say it was the riders fault and the accident was avoidable. |
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July 29th, 2011, 07:57 PM | #173 |
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When it comes to vehicles ...
There are NO "accidents".. In 1 way shape or form it is a lapse/lack in judgement/paying attention EVERY TIME... Whether that is yours or someone else's fault. The term "accident" is a b*llsh*t word people used to ease their conscious! I didn't have an "accident" on my 04 250.. I f*cked up and crashed it! |
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July 29th, 2011, 08:14 PM | #174 | |
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July 29th, 2011, 08:24 PM | #175 |
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July 29th, 2011, 09:45 PM | #176 |
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You're right, I suppose those that ride with concentration and caution will outlive those that don't.
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July 29th, 2011, 09:49 PM | #177 |
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July 29th, 2011, 09:49 PM | #178 |
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July 29th, 2011, 09:54 PM | #179 |
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I never denied that Im just saying between the two, one is more important to have than the other
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July 29th, 2011, 11:51 PM | #181 |
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July 30th, 2011, 12:25 AM | #182 |
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no gear, no tpaying attention....could've been different in many ways. so, you got the outcome you inheredited through decisions you made immediately and much earlier.
you'll heal..but i hope the lesson learned stays with you as you ride on
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July 30th, 2011, 03:45 AM | #184 |
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On purpose? Or by accident?
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July 30th, 2011, 06:31 AM | #185 | |
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At this point I am not going to argue with you about alex's accident, it's not about that, it never has been. He was just giving you an example. It might be his fault (imo it wasnt) but that's one insident, you can't tell me that ALL Accidents are preventible and it is because of this that gear is not an optio. In case you don't get it i am going to make it very clear. RIDING SKILL IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR RIDING GEAR. Riding gear is not a substitute for skill, they are independent from each other and you need both. If you don't wear gear be cause you cannot afford it that's what different story. |
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Following my advice, what advice? Sooner or later we all die, too.. We all make choices at our own accord, but do not consider no one else could do what you can't. Quote:
It's just a simple fact that riding gear is not necessary but unlike riding skill. Another simple fact is that majority of riders in the world are not riding ATGATT and accidents are not happening to majority of them. Whether or not riders wear gear is not an necessity when compared to riding skill. Avoiding accidents have nothing to do with what gear you choose to wear, but all with awareness and riding skill. All those who keep badger ATGATT and how their accidents can not be avoided no matter what they did are not willing accept that there are possibilities beyond their recognition and abilities. |
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July 30th, 2011, 07:20 AM | #187 |
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thats going to make for a gnarly scar.
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July 30th, 2011, 10:34 AM | #188 | |
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More effective way of 'minimize potential injury' is not to be 'casual', pay attention to what you're doing, your surroudings and control your vehicle at all times. For you may simply avoid all accidents that may cause potential injury.. but you may still have accidents. Unavoidable accidents are more likely to be caused by unprepared or distracted participants... being human we often blame our own inabilities to 'unavoidable accidents'. |
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July 30th, 2011, 10:37 AM | #189 |
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ok, im sorry OP. I didn't mean to hijack your thread, I just get carried away at the opportunity to argue with somebody lol
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July 30th, 2011, 10:44 AM | #190 |
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Duly noted.
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Again, riding with out gear knowing that you cannot avoid all accidents, someone reading this might think is a good idea to follow your steps. |
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July 30th, 2011, 01:01 PM | #194 |
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'A' it's all in black and white, you might have not said you can avoid ALL accidents but you claim you don't need to ride with gear because you know enough not to get in to accidents. The one that doesn't make sense is YOU, you can't pick both. Ether you agree that you should always ride with gear because not all accidents can be avoided, or you agree that because of your skills riding gear is an option because you don't plan on getting into an accident. answer this, you admit that you cannot avoid all accidents, than why do you choose to ride with out gear? You claim you only ride without gear when you know you will not take any unnecessary risk, the fact is that you don't need to take unnecessary risk to get in to an accident. I have notice you avoid to actually explain yourself and just try to look for holes in our statements, So please stop just quoting and actually give an explanation.
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Just read my post as they are typed, do not try to 'put words in my mouth'. Gears are not necessary to avoid accidents but riding skills are, rider paying attention is also a necessity to avoid accident, not wearing gear. If you don't have any riding skill or if you do not pay attention to what you are doing; you are more likely to get into accidents while riding a motorcycle, wouldn't you agree? Why do you think riding with gear is necessary to avoid accidents? Choosing to ride with or without gear while riding is a personal provocative. Why does that need explanation? I choose to ride without gear sometimes simply because I choose to do so. If you choose to ride ATGATT, that's your choice, your provocative; but don't think wearing gear guarantees that you are going to avoid all accidents or injuries. When I ride 2 mile away from my house to pick up diner or go to the grocery store. Most of the time, I choose not to wear gear, just wear my regular clothes and sneakers. I rely on my riding skills, I pay attention to what I''m doing and my surroundings. Over 12 years, I mange never to have an incident (close calls yes, I've even had gotten a flat tire), regardless of the statistics. Because wearing gear is not necessary, nor does it guarantee to avoid accidents while riding your motorcycle, that's why I choose not to wear gear sometimes. Is that so difficult to understand? |
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No one ever said that gear will prevent you from an accident. This continues to be your argument all along despite all of us clearly stating that gear will only reduce the chances of serious injury ONCE the accident has occurred. |
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Im a little confused. If I wear my gear, Im provoking others into trying to run me over?? What exactly am I provoking by wearing gear???
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