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80-90% | 50 | 46.73% | |
50-70% | 24 | 22.43% | |
20-40% | 16 | 14.95% | |
0-10% | 17 | 15.89% | |
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March 24th, 2013, 02:23 PM | #201 | |
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March 24th, 2013, 03:42 PM | #202 |
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I use it every time I expect a complete stop or if I hit a turn too hot. My question is, why wouldn't you?
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March 24th, 2013, 04:57 PM | #203 |
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If I'm still Rollin and goin slow I have always been able to get where I'm goin using only the front... Don't see why I would if I've never had a problem, and that's naturally how I do it
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March 24th, 2013, 05:43 PM | #204 | |
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March 24th, 2013, 06:01 PM | #205 |
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March 24th, 2013, 10:00 PM | #206 |
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Probably from my motocross experience as a kid. If u lay on your front brakes in the mud, you will wipe out. In the air your likely to case the jump. On dry ground at speed, your likely to endo.
Just makes sense to use it. |
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March 27th, 2013, 12:27 AM | #207 |
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I mainly sue my front brake for slowing and stopping while I use both only in emergency situations like panic stops etc. Rear brake is handy when you're at the intersection waiting for the green light lol.
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May 22nd, 2013, 08:26 AM | #208 |
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always for city riding,
1) saves my balls from nailing the tank, 2) keeps the gf from booping helmets, sliding into me and again me nailing balls on tank. 3) to come to a much smoother stop than using just the fronts. 4) pulling in the driveway, i park my bike parallel to the garage door, between the door and the gf's car, it allows me to be more precise. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 09:01 AM | #209 |
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I use my rear brake almost all the time. I feel I have better control, even if I lock the rear slightly.
Last weekend, I was going downhill in the twisties and tried negotiating a right hander…I leaned in and realized the turn was much sharper than I expected and I had too much speed. I scrubbed off speed using only the rear. I locked it up, left a huge skid mark on the road but did not crash…If I had touched the front, I surely would have fallen down off the hillside. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 09:30 AM | #210 |
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May 22nd, 2013, 09:43 AM | #211 |
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using the rear to slow down mid corner never made any sense to me... if you need to slow down why not pick it up for a click on the brakes and drop it back down? you can be so aggressive on the brakes up and down... brakes while you're leaned over just sounds like a bad time.
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May 22nd, 2013, 09:58 AM | #212 |
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Sometimes on the street you don't have room to stand the bike up before hitting the apex, so you need to trail brake.
And I almost always use both brakes, just seems like common sense to me. I mean what happens when one day you need to use the rear brake and you have no experience using it?
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May 22nd, 2013, 10:10 AM | #213 |
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always. Probably only at 20% of it's capacity, but it's always doing something. It's quite effective to gradually shift weight to the front break before going hog wild on that.
I lightly press it while scrubbing speed via engine breaking to activate the rear brake light so cars behind me know I'm actually slowing down, even though I'm not applying the brakes. i use it as a signal a lot too, since a light tap on it will activate my rear brake strobe and let people know i'm there... sitting at a stoplight, someone approaching, let off brakes, put brake back on to get the strobe. i find tapping it to activate the rear brake (especially with the strobe I have) is effective at getting tailgaters to back off. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 10:25 AM | #214 | |
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When most people think of using the brakes mid corner, they think of how most use them upright: slam the throttle shut, grab a handful of front brake. Do this on the track while leaned over and obviously you'll go down. When I use the rear brake mid corner, I don't let off the gas. There is no massive upsetting weight transfer to the front that unsettles the suspension like slamming the throttle shut and grabbing the front. I usually use the clutch mid corner instead of the rear brake about 75% of the time though. Depends on which way the corner goes. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 10:33 AM | #215 | |
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May 22nd, 2013, 10:57 AM | #216 | |
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:00 AM | #217 |
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A turn ends up being sharper than you thought it was when you began to enter it. If it hasn't happened to you then you are either the greatest rider ever, or just slow.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:01 AM | #218 | ||
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I had to emergency brake once and slightly feathered the rear, and should have engine braked which i didn't Quote:
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:03 AM | #219 | |
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You would be able to maintain engine revs with the clutch and closing the throttle would lead to engine braking whereas the clutch would slow you down through friction alone. I would think closing the throttle would be slightly more abrupt since you have friction in addition to the engine slowing you down. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:04 AM | #220 | |
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using the brakes compresses the forks which actually decreases the wheel base a bit which makes it easier to turn. however using the brakes compresses the wheels too which stands the bike up. and obviously you cant brake very hard leaned over. on the throttle is interesting because it will pick up the front and make your turn "tighten up". but at the same time adding more speed widens your turn radius. so the best scenario is braking until your turn in at a correct speed, turn in correctly and then gas out.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:11 AM | #223 |
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staying on gas and using rear brake eliminates chain lash. letting throttle off without rear brake loosens the pull on the rear wheel from the chain, which can give slack on the chain for a moment until the bike slows to the engine speed at which point the chain loses its slack and gives a bit of a pull. known as chain lash.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:12 AM | #224 |
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First of all I don't brake mid turn with the rear, only with the front. And yes braking will cause the bike to stand up, but you can counter this by leaning more. Thus allowing you to maintain your line while slowing going into the corner.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:17 AM | #226 |
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You aren't adding lean angle, only maintaining your current lean angle. But since the bike wants to stand up you have to lean a little more to prevent that.
It is a balancing game, but you should never be using all of your traction on the street so you should have a little extra at all times. It's certainly better than going wide and colliding with oncoming traffic. Edit: I don't do it often, but like I said some times a corner surprises you.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:26 AM | #227 | |
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if you don't have the extra wiggle room, what are you going to do? you are going to stand up, hit the brakes, and put the bike back down.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:27 AM | #228 | |
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To be more precise, you could (in theory) achieve the same results with the throttle as with the clutch. However, you would need to close the throttle just enough to simulate the initial decrease in power from clutching in and then maintaining that throttle input. I would suspect that, in practice, this wouldn't be possible due to the additional variables in play with the throttle. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:28 AM | #229 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_braking
Try it sometime. It's a good technique to add to your riding skills.
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:39 AM | #230 | |
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:42 AM | #231 |
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I've always heard of lashing in the context of too much play in the chains from the get go, which is typically rectified by maintaing proper chain tension.
Whereas, the slack you're mentioning is derived from decreasing throttle input and reducing power to the rear. Is chain lash appropriate here as well (I ask out of ignorance)? Another reason why I didn't think it was appropriate was because engine braking is also present when reducing rpms and you could add chain slack as a side effect of the general act of decreasing power to rear. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 11:49 AM | #232 | |
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May 22nd, 2013, 12:15 PM | #234 | |
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I was looking for a book that actually wrote out the equations of kinematics and dynamics and looked at motorcycles from a purely theoretical and physics perspective. I'm currently in grad school and taking classes in quantum mechanics and such, so as you might imagine I quite prefer a detailed physics analysis especially when it's written by a professor of applied mechanics and reads like a textbook |
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May 22nd, 2013, 01:03 PM | #236 |
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Whatever, all I know is that sometimes I brake when going into turns and I haven't wrecked yet.
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May 22nd, 2013, 01:09 PM | #238 |
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compressing the front tire creating a larger contact patch is what picks up the bike.
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May 22nd, 2013, 01:21 PM | #239 | |
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I bet I am very lucky. I think I instinctively used the rear and not the front since I was already in a lean.
Lesson learnt: When riding unknown twisties, its better to go slow and familiarize yourself first. Going 45-50mph when the indicated speed is 20mph is STUPID. Quote:
EDIT: Yes, the bike did stand up using the rear brake and locking it. Although it did not run wide. |
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May 22nd, 2013, 01:23 PM | #240 |
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Some more information on why a bike wants to stand up in a turn.
http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/to...?TOPIC_ID=8752 http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=255 |
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