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May 3rd, 2015, 05:45 AM | #286 |
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I test rode the R3 Friday at a Yamaha demo at the local dealer. I'm Impressed but Kawasaki should be doing some kind of refresh now that everyone came out with competition.
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May 3rd, 2015, 09:11 PM | #287 |
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The Ninja 300 is a 250 with a longer stroke. The Honda 300 is a 250 with a longer stroke. Will Yamaha eventually sell the 321cc R3 with a longer stroke? :-)
Lol, that R3 paragraph: “It’s like sleeping with an ex you haven’t seen in ages,” notes our promiscuous friend Thai Long Ly. “You can simply warm her up, toss a leg over and you’re charging like a boss as you confidently enter every corner. That instant comfort zone is reserved for only those that have learned to check all the right boxes at all the right times. This R3 does so out of the gate.” |
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May 4th, 2015, 01:18 AM | #288 | |
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Late to the party on this but just was up at Flemington Yamaha and they had all 3 color options on the floor.
I through a leg over and got the shock of my life, i fit! They didn't have them set up yet but they'll let me test ride it when they do. I'll be calling them today to see when. I may have to drop "ninjette" from my name...
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May 6th, 2015, 03:59 AM | #291 |
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Saw an R3 at a local dealer the other day. Man that tank is TINY.
Bike looks nice but I couldn't justify the cost to switch from a 250 to such a similar bike.
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May 6th, 2015, 05:50 AM | #292 |
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Got the red/white R3 about a week ago to turn it into a race bike to replace my ninja 250 next year. Been street riding it to break it in while I wait for the performance aftermarket to start selling products. I have 200 miles on it so far.
My biggest complaint is the undersprung rear shock but they all are for me at 240 pounds. Very smooth engine, has a nice sound even with stock pipe. Pulls well down low for such a small motor but up top its pretty flat. No top end rush approaching red line like the N250. |
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May 6th, 2015, 06:30 AM | #293 |
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Biggest issue I have right there as well, although I would just go N300 so most of my stuff would swap over lol.
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May 6th, 2015, 06:31 AM | #294 |
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look forward to the comparison and lap times
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May 6th, 2015, 06:33 AM | #295 |
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Would love to see what you wind up doing to it....
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May 6th, 2015, 09:56 AM | #296 |
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Sounds like we need a build thread in the ex-lair
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May 6th, 2015, 11:09 AM | #297 |
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The plan is first get the suspension dialed in for me then I can start doing track days with it at MSR Cresson and can start comparing lap times with the N250. I Already have some sticky Pirelli tires for it. Once I have suspension and bodywork I'll start racing it, hopefully as soon as August. I want to paint it as close to OEM as possible. Maybe even get some of those realistic looking headlight decals. That is part of the reason I chose the red bike for easier/cheaper painting. Red, white and black is easy enough to match and I don't have to get the tank and front fender painted. Also already ordered a 415 chain kit and clip ons.
I want to keep the stock bodywork in perfect condition to sell and help offset some of the cost of converting to a race bike. Once the R3 is all sorted out I'll put the N250 race bike up for sale to help recover more costs of turning the R3 into a race bike |
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May 8th, 2015, 03:45 PM | #298 |
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Kayso... I rode one today. Nearby Yamaha dealer is doing demo days today and tomorrow. You only get to ride two bikes a day (bummer) so today I did the R3 and R6.
I've been riding a supersport exclusively for a couple of years now, so I was really interested to see what it'd be like to go back to a small bike..... I liked it. Smooth, good build quality. Comfortable riding position much like the Ninjette. Had enough oomph to be fun. Also like the Ninjette, it's happy at high revs. I was blasting along on the highway in 4th and about 10k rpm. It being a demo ride I really couldn't get much of a read on acceleration or cornering, but detected nothing untoward. Brakes seem fine. Feels a bit undersprung, but that's expected in this class of bike. Worlds different from supersport suspension, of course. It's compact. Scooting back and getting low, my butt was up against the pillion and I'm not a large guy. But upright, there's plenty of room. The only thing that I didn't really bond with was the clutch. Seemed a bit vague to me... no distinct point of engagement. I'd certainly consider one. The R6 was interesting. REALLY smooth. Very tall (tippy toes for me, so it'd be a PITA as a daily ride in the real world). Felt good. Tomorrow it's the FZ07 and FZ09. wOOt!
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May 8th, 2015, 04:19 PM | #299 |
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there are taller bikes, but the r6 is pretty tall for a sports bike. That's one of my favorite things about it since it puts you in a great riding position.
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May 9th, 2015, 04:03 AM | #302 | |
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Riding position is driven by the spatial relationship of seat, clip-ons and rearsets. Has nothing to do with the height of the seat off the ground. The riding position is indistinguishable from my GSX-R, which has a much lower seat height.
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May 9th, 2015, 05:04 AM | #303 |
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No, the gsxr has weirdly angled bars that are too narrow and sit awkwardly from the seat. Suzuki and I don't get along well. Sv650's are the same way
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May 9th, 2015, 05:22 AM | #304 |
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Question still applies. What the heck does seat height have to do with riding position?
To be honest I couldn't detect any significant difference between the R6 and my GSX-R. Wasn't focusing on that, admittedly.
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Dunno. It's beyond my level of caring to find out.
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May 9th, 2015, 06:41 AM | #306 |
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the riding triangle may be the same but you're higher up on the r6 which is much more comfortable to me when turning in
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May 9th, 2015, 03:09 PM | #307 |
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Been riding sport/sporty bikes so long that the nakeds felt really odd. Riding position felt I was standing up. Breezy. I have a feeling I'd be uncomfortable after an hour and a half, because of having to actually sit on my butt. FZ07 and FZ09 are both pretty nice. 07 is super narrow. Has the nice buddabuddabudda of a twin. Didn't like the tach, which is a bar along the bottom edge of the LCD dash display... out of sight, out of mind. 09 was good, but buzzy around 7k rpm. Didn't get a good read on the sound. I was hoping for something truly distinctive but didn't really get that impression. Since the 09 came out I've been thinking that if Yamaha put that triple in a supersport it'd be really cool... but having just ridden the R6 now I'm not sure. The R6 motor was really something... turbine-smooth. Yamaha clearly has some winners with the 07 and 09. Both look like great values, and I'd ride either as a commuter... but at the end of the day, I guess I'm just a sportbike guy.
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May 14th, 2015, 05:23 AM | #308 |
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Still nothing in Straya except a pic on Instragam,
saying its got stupid ABS and here in June. Dealer says 2 weeks, 2 weeks and one day and a cbr300 SE will be mine otherwise. |
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May 14th, 2015, 06:01 AM | #309 |
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Got my test ride set for tomorrow.
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May 14th, 2015, 07:29 AM | #310 |
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This sentiment has always puzzled me.
Do you like to intentionally lock the wheels? If so, then it makes sense. But if not... provided you're riding correctly, the ABS will not trigger. So why the ? It's there to save you when things go wrong, but has no impact when things are going right.
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and when I want the pads on the disc, I want to feel the pads on the disc without interruption. I had a cbr250 with ABS and it spoilt the perfect bike, it got to point it was dangerous entering the fast downhill turn 7 at my track. And the last thing 250's need is an extra 4kg to carry around to make them slower, or $500 more to make them less affordable. |
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May 14th, 2015, 08:32 AM | #313 |
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I'm going to make a hamfisted muppet to wear over my gloves at the track now
stay tuned folks, just need to work on those knitting skills hahaha seriously though, I've never managed to kick in the abs on the front on my N300...the rear on the other hand
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May 14th, 2015, 08:48 AM | #315 | |
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I have yet to ride the 300 at the track, I ride my pregen 250 at the track
I have a feel for where the front starts to skip under braking on the 250 (with the rear in the air) and accept that as the limit unless I'm doing something wrong, but I tend to outbrake most people at track days (need to race it against other 250s to really know if I've got it right)
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WHAT Gixxer-ABS? Doesn't have it.
In principle ABS makes sense. It's been demonstrated time and again that ABS-equipped vehicles stop shorter than those without ABS. It also makes sense to be able to tune it. Aufitt's real-world experience shows that ABS that doesn't match a track rider's style will get in the way. Tweak it so that it will prevent a highside while still allowing threshold braking, however, and you've got a good safety feature. The same goes for all the electronic rider aids we're seeing... TCS, wheelie control, slide control, etc.... when done right and tunable, they're great and let you ride both faster AND safer. Just look at the feedback test riders are giving to the new Yamahahaha R1.
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May 14th, 2015, 09:50 AM | #318 | |
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Plus I do feel that ABS is good in some situations but not all. I have had a few different cages from different manufactures over the past several years and the ABS on all of them was borderline dangerous in certain situations. My 10 civic's abs was the worst out of all of them, it would kick on over the slightest bump if you even breathed on the brake pedal despite no hint of locking the brakes. I almost rear ended someone once when it happened. 15 mph down a slight hill in traffic, and the traffic stopped, just as I was rolling over a bad spot in the road, I applied the brakes normally and I didn't slow down at all, just felt the abs kicking on watching the rear of the car in front of me get closer and closer until the abs kicked off and I was able to get more stopping power to the road. The abs on that car scared me, you never knew when it would kick in for no reason over the smallest road imperfection The concept of ABS is solid, but design and execution of the systems are a different story. JMO
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