Question about knee to knee.

RyderRider15 · April 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM

I'm still trying to get this down, however I'm finding myself doing this instead. When coming to a chicane or a S like turn. Instead of doing knee to knee, I'm putting all my weight on the pegs and basically standing up to move to the other side of the bike. I don't feel I'm putting it on the bars, which is good I guess, but I'd like to know if this is even a problem as long as I don't put any weight on the handle bars?

csmith12 · April 4th, 2012, 01:31 PM

As long as your smooth about it and not disturb the bikes suspension as well. The only negative thing I can think of off the cuff is you will be catching more wind the higher up you raise yourself.

Keep practicing though it takes a looooonnnnnngggg while before it happens consistantly without thinking about it. When you get it, you feel like "part of the bike" (ie locked on and in control) instead of just a rider as your bum never is "disconnected".

alex.s · April 4th, 2012, 02:02 PM

when you do it quicker, if you dont pull the inside knee up first, its much harder to keep your weight from "flopping" down to the other side. if you pull the inside knee up, scoot your ass to the other side, and then flop the bike over, your body is already in the correct position and the suspension isn't upset by the move.

Motofool · April 4th, 2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RyderRider15

........., but I'd like to know if this is even a problem as long as I don't put any weight on the handle bars?

It is a problem for stability:

Link to original page on YouTube.

leed · April 4th, 2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

when you do it quicker, if you dont pull the inside knee up first, its much harder to keep your weight from "flopping" down to the other side. if you pull the inside knee up, scoot your ass to the other side, and then flop the bike over, your body is already in the correct position and the suspension isn't upset by the move.

+1 IIRC, Keith Code emphasizes this too. With respect to the upcoming turn, pull with your 'inside knee' before the turn, slide on over, stick your knee out, then push the bike over at the bars. Practice provides fluidity. Now I'm curious as to where you're finding roads in Durham! In the boonies I presume?

choneofakind · April 15th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Hmmm I need to work on this. You can see in my video at 3:05 that there's some wobble as I re-position myself between the sweeping right and the tight left. I've been getting smoother and leaning less as I work on the throttle control and scooting my butt of properly, but as you can see I still have a long way to go.

Link to original page on YouTube.

Thanks for those links Hernan. Lots of tips in those videos.

JeffM · April 16th, 2012, 07:15 AM

Like csmith12 said.

An instructor I had emphasized keeping my butt down when transitioning knee to knee. He showed our group how up-and-down movement upsets the chassis - We practiced on a stationary bike and you could see and feel the suspension moving up and down if you were not smooth in the transition. If you are using your legs to rise up off the seat then plopping back down you will cause a slight weighting/un-weighting of the suspension.

Jeff

Motofool · April 16th, 2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

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Thanks for those links Hernan. Lots of tips in those videos.

You are welcome, Chris.

Nice ride, video and sound.

April 4th, 2012, 01:26 PM	#1
RyderRider15 Ate his own face. Twice. Name: John Location: Durham Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2009 KLR650 Posts: 109	Question about knee to knee. I'm still trying to get this down, however I'm finding myself doing this instead. When coming to a chicane or a S like turn. Instead of doing knee to knee, I'm putting all my weight on the pegs and basically standing up to move to the other side of the bike. I don't feel I'm putting it on the bars, which is good I guess, but I'd like to know if this is even a problem as long as I don't put any weight on the handle bars? __________________________________________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/RyderRider15?feature=mhee Gear whore score: 74

April 4th, 2012, 01:31 PM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	As long as your smooth about it and not disturb the bikes suspension as well. The only negative thing I can think of off the cuff is you will be catching more wind the higher up you raise yourself. Keep practicing though it takes a looooonnnnnngggg while before it happens consistantly without thinking about it. When you get it, you feel like "part of the bike" (ie locked on and in control) instead of just a rider as your bum never is "disconnected". __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

April 4th, 2012, 02:02 PM	#3
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	when you do it quicker, if you dont pull the inside knee up first, its much harder to keep your weight from "flopping" down to the other side. if you pull the inside knee up, scoot your ass to the other side, and then flop the bike over, your body is already in the correct position and the suspension isn't upset by the move. __________________________________________________

April 16th, 2012, 07:15 AM	#7
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Like csmith12 said. An instructor I had emphasized keeping my butt down when transitioning knee to knee. He showed our group how up-and-down movement upsets the chassis - We practiced on a stationary bike and you could see and feel the suspension moving up and down if you were not smooth in the transition. If you are using your legs to rise up off the seat then plopping back down you will cause a slight weighting/un-weighting of the suspension. Jeff __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

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April 15th, 2012, 10:45 AM	#6
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Hmmm I need to work on this. You can see in my video at 3:05 that there's some wobble as I re-position myself between the sweeping right and the tight left. I've been getting smoother and leaning less as I work on the throttle control and scooting my butt of properly, but as you can see I still have a long way to go. Link to original page on YouTube. Thanks for those links Hernan. Lots of tips in those videos.