Failed heist

lognaturel · September 13th, 2011, 03:10 PM

This morning I headed out to my bike and it was taking up the whole sidewalk. I don't park across the sidewalk.

A little piece of metal was missing by the lock and it looks like a blade was involved (pic). That convinced me that I did not sleepwalk and move it. Seems like someone manhandled it a few feet out of the road to avoid the streetlight and went to work. Something must have spooked them before they finished the job.

I've been parking on the same street every night for a year and a half and now I'm not quite sure what to do. A lot of bikes park around there and I figured no one would be interested in stealing a little 250. BUT, someone just pointed out to me that thieves might not know it's a relatively cheap bike and just see how awesome it looks (very awesome).

You all had a lot of good advice in a recent security thread that I wouldn't previously have paid any attention to (except for the insurance part). I just bought a disk brake lock and I'm going to go park down the street next to some chromed up Harleys tonight...

Mr.E · September 13th, 2011, 04:24 PM

Glad your bike is safe and didnt end up getting taken. I'll be buying myself a GPS alarm system seen here (if interested, click the details section to see what it's capable of). It'll give me peace at mind and I figure for that cheap and 9 bucks a month it will all be good. I'll be downgrading my gym membership so I'll technically be paying the same I do now. /end ramble lol.

But good to see they didnt get it and good idea about the disc lock!

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 04:36 PM

I'm planning on putting one of these in my bike. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...id=7njTSZ0bxGF

It allows you to remotely track your bike and its also incredibly small so you could put it in a very difficult to get to spot and attach it to the battery. It has different tracking settings, the lowest allowing allows it to go 1 month without a charge and the highest 1 day. Depending on how often you ride (which will charge the tracker) set it accordingly i.e. track once every 15 mins/1 hour/6 hours. Then you will have a map of where the thieves took your bike. It will likely take them a few hours to take apart your bike and actually find the tracking device, but by that time you will know exactly where they are and direct the police to them.

It would be a good idea to set it up so it only charges when the bike is turned on so it doesn't drain your battery.

alex.s · September 13th, 2011, 04:47 PM

chain it to something. a disk lock isn't going to stop someone from picking it up and putting it in the back of their truck

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

chain it to something. a disk lock isn't going to stop someone from picking it up and putting it in the back of their truck

And a chain wont stop someone with bolt cutters. Best defence, crash your bike and make it look ugly so no one wants it

alex.s · September 13th, 2011, 05:10 PM

a covered, locked bike with a chain is probably the best defense outside of a locked garage. think about the effort for that, you have to look extremely conspicuous with bolt cutters cutting a chain for upwards of 30-60 seconds before even trying to move it. people who pick up bikes put the bike in the truck in 15 seconds, get back in and are gone in 30 seconds. walk-ups take bikes where they can sit with it for awhile without being seen so they can break the lock then hotwire it or roll it away. if its chained to a well lit area they won't be able to muscle it away so they don't look suspicious, which means they can more easily get caught. if there's another bike just down the street that is in a darker area, maybe doesn't have a chain or has one but is in an alley where noones going to walk by, the theif isn't going to take the locked down high traffic one, they're going to take the one where noone is around that's easiest

i'm the president of the association for experts in criminology and psychology so you can trust me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

defence, crash your bike and make it look ugly so no one wants it

check.

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

a covered, locked bike with a chain is probably the best defense outside of a locked garage. think about the effort for that, you have to look extremely conspicuous with bolt cutters cutting a chain for upwards of 30-60 seconds before even trying to move it. people who pick up bikes put the bike in the truck in 15 seconds, get back in and are gone in 30 seconds. walk-ups take bikes where they can sit with it for awhile without being seen so they can break the lock then hotwire it or roll it away. if its chained to a well lit area they won't be able to muscle it away so they don't look suspicious, which means they can more easily get caught. if there's another bike just down the street that is in a darker area, maybe doesn't have a chain or has one but is in an alley where noones going to walk by, the theif isn't going to take the locked down high traffic one, they're going to take the one where noone is around that's easiest

i'm the president of the association for experts in criminology and psychology so you can trust me.

check.

My dad's bike was chained up and stolen. Four guys in a pickup truck got out, cut the chains, and lifted his bike into their truck. He heard the racket and looked out his apartment window and saw them lifting the bike up and yelled out "I've got your license plate number!" As the truck drove away he saw that the plates had been taken off

I guess I'm thinking of more "professional" thieves.

"i'm the president of the association for experts in criminology and psychology"

I have no idea what that is. Like at a school or something? Please explain, thats quite interesting.

alex.s · September 13th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I have no idea what that is. Like at a school or something? Please explain, thats quite interesting.

its an insider joke

Kevin2109 · September 13th, 2011, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

And a chain wont stop someone with bolt cutters. Best defence, crash your bike and make it look ugly so no one wants it

Yeah the chain I use on my bike would take forever to cut, plus I keep it covered so no one is going to want my bike

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

its an insider joke

Well it sounded half real lol! Call it the Brown Association for Experts in Criminology and Criminal Psychology

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Yeah the chain I use on my bike would take forever to cut, plus I keep it covered so no one is going to want my bike

Have you seen the video where they cut the highest rated motorcycle chains? I think the longest they took to cut one was 50 seconds

Chuffmonkey · September 13th, 2011, 05:36 PM

I seem to remember some study a few years back that suggested that car anti theft devices actually increased the likelihood that a car would get stolen. The reasoning was that drivers got a false sense of security and were more likely to park in bad areas. I can see the logic, but sometimes you have no choice.

2011Ninja250R · September 13th, 2011, 05:38 PM

Build a garage.

setasai · September 13th, 2011, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Have you seen the video where they cut the highest rated motorcycle chains? I think the longest they took to cut one was 50 seconds

Link to original page on YouTube.

It's amazing really.

Edit: Another one except it's so thick that it's tough to get leaverage

Link to original page on YouTube.

Kurgan · September 13th, 2011, 06:26 PM

I've got the MicroTrak GPS installed on my bike, and part of the functionality of it is a Tilt sensor.

That means if someone stands the bike up from the kickstand, sits on it, or shakes the bike, or even lifts it up (multiple people) in an attempt to steal it, it sends a Tilt signal to the satellite, which in turn can be set to Text your cellphone. It usually takes about 3 minutes from the tilt to the text.

If you're a parent and your kids ride, you can set up various alerts on the website interface, like a speed alert, a bike drop alert, etc. The speed alert can be set at whatever speed you want so if your kid is speeding, you get texted with the exact speed they were going. The bike drop alert should be obvious.

Jiggles · September 13th, 2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by setasai

Link to original page on YouTube.

It's amazing really.

Edit: Another one except it's so thick that it's tough to get leaverage

Link to original page on YouTube.

That is awesome! That's the only chain to buy haha. I wonder if they could cut through it with a saw.

nickjpass · September 13th, 2011, 06:41 PM

I'm glad I live in the middle of no where. Sorry about to here about the heist. At least they didn't get away with it!

Lil_Green_Demon · September 13th, 2011, 07:06 PM

Sucks, OP.

I'm glad I have a garage.

setasai · September 13th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

That is awesome! That's the only chain to buy haha. I wonder if they could cut through it with a saw.

Of course you can. There is nothing special about that chain besides it being ridiculously thick so that the bolt cutters cant utilize the forces efficiently and cut it.

KJohnson21 · September 13th, 2011, 07:55 PM

Put a cover on it. Keeps most folks from messing with it.

LoD575 · September 13th, 2011, 08:00 PM

I park my bike in the backyard on the patio. My dogs make a lot of noise when anyone comes close to the house.
I am looking to get a disc lock soon.

ironglory · September 13th, 2011, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2109

Yeah the chain I use on my bike would take forever to cut, plus I keep it covered so no one is going to want my bike

What chain r u using?

In the video, they are trying to cut the chain, why not the lock itself? Does the chain come with a lock thats make with the same material? I still dont know much about these things, pls enlighten me Obi-wan.

I was looking for some kind of deterrence for my bike as well and found a disc lock w/ an alarm -Xena- like the warrior princess. I'm still researching this unit if it is what it claims to be.

Glad to know that ur bike was not taken by these S*&^ heads. May they're arse be burning red with green skitters!

Kurgan · September 13th, 2011, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironglory

In the video, they are trying to cut the chain, why not the lock itself? Does the chain come with a lock thats make with the same material?

They show the lock in a closeup in the second video, there's virtually no space to get any kind of "bite" with the bolt cutters.

azimmer11 · September 14th, 2011, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I'm glad I live in the middle of no where. Sorry about to here about the heist. At least they didn't get away with it!

that and the fact that you don't even have a bike

Kevin2109 · September 14th, 2011, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azimmer11

that and the fact that you don't even have a bike

bdavison · September 14th, 2011, 09:43 AM

Im telling you guys...
www.internatrix.com

Its the best thing out there right now.

PsychoNinja · September 14th, 2011, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I'm planning on putting one of these in my bike. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...id=7njTSZ0bxGF

It allows you to remotely track your bike and its also incredibly small so you could put it in a very difficult to get to spot and attach it to the battery. It has different tracking settings, the lowest allowing allows it to go 1 month without a charge and the highest 1 day. Depending on how often you ride (which will charge the tracker) set it accordingly i.e. track once every 15 mins/1 hour/6 hours. Then you will have a map of where the thieves took your bike. It will likely take them a few hours to take apart your bike and actually find the tracking device, but by that time you will know exactly where they are and direct the police to them.

It would be a good idea to set it up so it only charges when the bike is turned on so it doesn't drain your battery.

This would be awesome to get. However, if someone stole my bike and I knew where they were, the police better get to the thieves before I do.

akima · September 14th, 2011, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironglory

I was looking for some kind of deterrence for my bike as well and found a disc lock w/ an alarm -Xena- like the warrior princess. I'm still researching this unit if it is what it claims to be.

I very recently bought myself an Xena XX6 disc lock alarm. I spent ages researching, and it seemed like the best option. The XX6 is the smallest one they do, but it fits a new-gen Ninjette perfectly.

Don't bother buying the XZZ alarmed disc lock. The XX6 is basically the successor to the XZZ. The XX6 is louder, has a hidden alarm unit (so it can't be smashed) and is more visible (because it has an uninterrupted external metal casing)

So far, post-purchase, I have learnt:
* It's a really nice size. Easily fits under the rear seat next to the Kawasaki tool-kit
* I got a yellow one so it stands out well. You can easily see the bike has it attached, which makes for a nice visual deterrent
* It's very loud.
* Attaching it to the bike is extremely fast and simple - literally slide it on and push the button.
* Taking it off the bike isn't quite so smooth, but it isn't bad. They give you just enough time to remove it before the ear piercing alarm goes off.
* We had a mini hurricane near the UK very recently. That was the first time I had a false alarm. The bike cover was blowing around and must have knocked into the alarm. I had the alarm on the lowest sensitivity level at the time.
* The paint has scratched off a bit from being stored under the back seat. It might be worth putting some kind of sleeve around it when you do that.

I'm happy with it!

If you have any questions, ask away, as right now I know enough about their alarmed disc locks to be a sales rep

lognaturel · September 14th, 2011, 11:27 AM

You guys are not messing around and I hope some of you are getting kickbacks from security system makers! I've learned another thing or two in this thread.

Last night, I took a good look at the place I was parked and though I'd always found it the perfect spot, it's not. While the whole block is well-lit, that little spot is dark and has two big trees right next to it. The sidewalk spot a few feet away where the bike was moved can't really be seen by any of the buildings around.

I now have a whole new system for evaluating parking spots.

nickjpass · September 14th, 2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azimmer11

that and the fact that you don't even have a bike

I do have a bike.

lognaturel · September 14th, 2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurgan

That means if someone stands the bike up from the kickstand, sits on it, or shakes the bike, or even lifts it up (multiple people) in an attempt to steal it, it sends a Tilt signal to the satellite, which in turn can be set to Text your cellphone.

Seems like that would generate a lot of texts and I'm not sure my blood pressure could deal with that.

Later yesterday (busy day for the poor bike), I returned to where I'd parked and there's some girl sitting on the bike posing suggestively as her boyfriend takes pictures (does this happen a lot?). They were a little embarrassed when I walked up and asked if the pictures had turned out well. It's the kind of thing that doesn't bother me and I'd rather not get a text freaking me out each time it happens!

DarC · September 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I do have a bike.

Who steals a Huffy?

Kevin2109 · September 14th, 2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarC

Who steals a Huffy?

ninja250 · September 14th, 2011, 07:41 PM

I put deez through the frame into bolts in the floor or around pillars. They're like 3/4" thick. Dudes think twice when they see that and go how the hell do I even begin?
Then I use those silver cable locks with the soft hard to cut stranded cables as secondary.
If bolt cutters gets through one, it wont get through the other. If torch gets through one, maybe not the other. etc. I did use to do disk lock also when I had time or felt I needed it as a third and last option.

I had them at the apartment on a gsxr for six months with no problems while people were stealing bicycles from my neighbors carport head.. walking around the gsxr to do it.

ninja250 · September 14th, 2011, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I do have a bike.

Are you the guy wheelieng the 5hp schwinn?

Clearlynotstefan · September 14th, 2011, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdavison

Im telling you guys...
www.internatrix.com

Its the best thing out there right now.

I say the same thing, In every security thread!

azimmer11 · September 15th, 2011, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarC

Who steals a Huffy?

hahaha

Kurgan · September 16th, 2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdavison

Im telling you guys...
www.internatrix.com

Its the best thing out there right now.

The MicroTrak GPS system has the same function and a whole lot more, plus they can locate the bike if they do steal it.

Better than Lojack with a MUCH bigger coverage area.

Lil_Green_Demon · September 16th, 2011, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I do have a bike.

nickjpass · September 16th, 2011, 01:27 PM

I'm not a hater.

September 13th, 2011, 03:10 PM	#1
lognaturel Rockin' Name: Hélène Location: Seattle Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 14	Failed heist This morning I headed out to my bike and it was taking up the whole sidewalk. I don't park across the sidewalk. A little piece of metal was missing by the lock and it looks like a blade was involved (pic). That convinced me that I did not sleepwalk and move it. Seems like someone manhandled it a few feet out of the road to avoid the streetlight and went to work. Something must have spooked them before they finished the job. I've been parking on the same street every night for a year and a half and now I'm not quite sure what to do. A lot of bikes park around there and I figured no one would be interested in stealing a little 250. BUT, someone just pointed out to me that thieves might not know it's a relatively cheap bike and just see how awesome it looks (very awesome). You all had a lot of good advice in a recent security thread that I wouldn't previously have paid any attention to (except for the insurance part). I just bought a disk brake lock and I'm going to go park down the street next to some chromed up Harleys tonight...

September 13th, 2011, 04:36 PM	#3
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I'm planning on putting one of these in my bike. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...id=7njTSZ0bxGF It allows you to remotely track your bike and its also incredibly small so you could put it in a very difficult to get to spot and attach it to the battery. It has different tracking settings, the lowest allowing allows it to go 1 month without a charge and the highest 1 day. Depending on how often you ride (which will charge the tracker) set it accordingly i.e. track once every 15 mins/1 hour/6 hours. Then you will have a map of where the thieves took your bike. It will likely take them a few hours to take apart your bike and actually find the tracking device, but by that time you will know exactly where they are and direct the police to them. It would be a good idea to set it up so it only charges when the bike is turned on so it doesn't drain your battery. __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

September 13th, 2011, 04:47 PM	#4
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	chain it to something. a disk lock isn't going to stop someone from picking it up and putting it in the back of their truck __________________________________________________

September 13th, 2011, 05:38 PM	#13
2011Ninja250R ninjette.org guru Name: Brad Location: Centerville, OH Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R SE (Green) Previous bikes R1, Daytona 675, GSXR600, Pre-Gen 250R Posts: 330	Build a garage. __________________________________________________ '11 Green SE - 2 Bros Blk Series CF, Factory Pro Jet Kit, Spiegler Lines, ZG Windscreen, Pazzo Levers, CW Fender Elim, Custom LED Integrated Tail Light, Protons, OEM Seat Cowl & Ti ProBolts.

September 13th, 2011, 06:41 PM	#17
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I'm glad I live in the middle of no where. Sorry about to here about the heist. At least they didn't get away with it! __________________________________________________

September 13th, 2011, 04:24 PM	#2
Mr.E That rider dude. Name: Eric Location: Orlando, Fl. Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 White Ninja 250 SE. Posts: A lot.	Glad your bike is safe and didnt end up getting taken. I'll be buying myself a GPS alarm system seen here (if interested, click the details section to see what it's capable of). It'll give me peace at mind and I figure for that cheap and 9 bucks a month it will all be good. I'll be downgrading my gym membership so I'll technically be paying the same I do now. /end ramble lol. But good to see they didnt get it and good idea about the disc lock!

September 13th, 2011, 05:36 PM	#12
Chuffmonkey ninjette.org member Name: Alex Location: Salt Lake City Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Triumph Street Triple R, 2011 250R SE (sold 5/8/13) Posts: 128	I seem to remember some study a few years back that suggested that car anti theft devices actually increased the likelihood that a car would get stolen. The reasoning was that drivers got a false sense of security and were more likely to park in bad areas. I can see the logic, but sometimes you have no choice.

September 13th, 2011, 06:26 PM	#15
Kurgan ninjette.org guru Name: Kurgan Location: Texas Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 Ninja 250R Posts: 260	I've got the MicroTrak GPS installed on my bike, and part of the functionality of it is a Tilt sensor. That means if someone stands the bike up from the kickstand, sits on it, or shakes the bike, or even lifts it up (multiple people) in an attempt to steal it, it sends a Tilt signal to the satellite, which in turn can be set to Text your cellphone. It usually takes about 3 minutes from the tilt to the text. If you're a parent and your kids ride, you can set up various alerts on the website interface, like a speed alert, a bike drop alert, etc. The speed alert can be set at whatever speed you want so if your kid is speeding, you get texted with the exact speed they were going. The bike drop alert should be obvious.

September 13th, 2011, 07:06 PM	#18
Lil_Green_Demon Winging It In Life Name: Umar Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R; 2011 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	Sucks, OP. I'm glad I have a garage. __________________________________________________ 2011 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - Apr 22, 2011; Sold - Feb 17, 2015) 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Bought - May 01, 2017; Current)

September 13th, 2011, 07:55 PM	#20
KJohnson21 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ken Location: Indio, CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Kawasaki EX250 "Yoshi", '99 Kawasaki Concours "Grace", '06 Concours "Belle", '06 Yamaha YZF600R "Slick" Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	Put a cover on it. Keeps most folks from messing with it. __________________________________________________ < ATGATT > Sweat you can wipe off, Road rash you can't. HEY!! Unregistered!! Does your bike have a name?

September 13th, 2011, 08:00 PM	#21
LoD575 ninjette.org sage Name: Steve Location: Valdosta GA, US Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 2006 Ninja ZX6R-636 Posts: 661	I park my bike in the backyard on the patio. My dogs make a lot of noise when anyone comes close to the house. I am looking to get a disc lock soon.

September 14th, 2011, 09:43 AM	#26
bdavison Wartown, USA Name: Bryan Location: Warner Robins, GA Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE, 2007 Ninja 650R, and assorted other bikes Posts: A lot.	Im telling you guys... www.internatrix.com Its the best thing out there right now.

September 14th, 2011, 11:27 AM	#29
lognaturel Rockin' Name: Hélène Location: Seattle Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 14	You guys are not messing around and I hope some of you are getting kickbacks from security system makers! I've learned another thing or two in this thread. Last night, I took a good look at the place I was parked and though I'd always found it the perfect spot, it's not. While the whole block is well-lit, that little spot is dark and has two big trees right next to it. The sidewalk spot a few feet away where the bike was moved can't really be seen by any of the buildings around. I now have a whole new system for evaluating parking spots.

September 14th, 2011, 07:41 PM	#34
ninja250 You are sleeping Name: Casey Location: LMFAO!!! Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2 Posts: A lot.	I put deez through the frame into bolts in the floor or around pillars. They're like 3/4" thick. Dudes think twice when they see that and go how the hell do I even begin? Then I use those silver cable locks with the soft hard to cut stranded cables as secondary. If bolt cutters gets through one, it wont get through the other. If torch gets through one, maybe not the other. etc. I did use to do disk lock also when I had time or felt I needed it as a third and last option. I had them at the apartment on a gsxr for six months with no problems while people were stealing bicycles from my neighbors carport head.. walking around the gsxr to do it. __________________________________________________ <Yeah, it's a 250. LMFAO! Weaksauce

September 16th, 2011, 01:27 PM	#40
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I'm not a hater. __________________________________________________

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