November 30th, 2014, 02:07 PM | #41 | |
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November 30th, 2014, 03:43 PM | #42 |
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Preparation and having the entire track's width is huge!!!!
And Ben, I countersteer for the chicane at mid-o (turns 2 & 3) at 120mph while riding the A group. I know that is faster than freeway speeds but in the I group, 80 is common and is a fairly common speed on the freeway and N is even slower @65 to 75ish, definitely highway speeds. Most N group riders lazy steer into that, which will not save your bacon on the highway. Many I group riders steer ok into the chicane only to charge the second turn... which could have you into the other lanes while on the street if you go wide. It's not until upper level I group or A group that it looks smooth, in control, AND aggressive. It's not until some good time spent on a closed course, can a rider work up the skill and courage to fully explore how hard they can turn at pace. This is something that will never be close to trained during the MSF. And since there are more riders that never see a lap turned on track than what do... one could assume that the skill is not there, and even if it is... is there time to use it? Heck, many riders question if they push too hard to swerve, will they wash out the front? We are currently exploring this question in another thread. As far as chicanes and swerves on the street go. I would tell an experienced A group rider to; roll off or flatten the throttle to weight the front, go knee to knee while doing a hip flick, then countersteer HARD to initiate the flop, start a smooth throttle roll once the line is set. A chicane is NOTHING like a highway emergency swerve. But a great question none the less Motofool.
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November 30th, 2014, 05:04 PM | #43 |
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Thanks for the replies @Sirref, @KawiKid860 and @csmith12
What about changing lanes at 80 mph? Would any rider hesitate to quickly move over one lane to avoid a big chunk of tire appearing from under the tall truck that him/her has been following at highway speeds?
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November 30th, 2014, 05:16 PM | #44 | |
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November 30th, 2014, 05:22 PM | #45 |
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I would have been braking hard as soon as I saw that car sway to the right.
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November 30th, 2014, 07:01 PM | #47 |
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Sure thing, Alex.s said he has done it and I have swerved into the paved median to avoid a quick stopping car in front of me. I am sure others have dodged road other debris as well. It's just not the same techniques as track. Although if one could build the habit... how could "pivot steering" (using your legs to aid) help on the street?
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November 30th, 2014, 08:49 PM | #50 |
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True, it's definitely a skill to keep up your sleeve. At the end of the day there's nothing more important than getting home safely.
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Hard to practice that at highway speeds anywhere other than the track
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Even though, just like throttle control, how hard you pivot steer can be controlled. You don't have to push as hard as you can. I think most riders exaggerate this aspect of steering. You simply just don't have to push hard enough to flop the bike over to knee down in an instant. We aint chopping wood here, it takes a bit of finer tuned control than "push hard". Also, it feels very awkward at first, your leg and arm can be somewhat disconnected as far as timing goes or it feels like you're pushing into the tank with you leg instead of using the leg to benefit steering. It's a very subtle experience to pivot steer but adds soooo much power to the bar push. Why? It's not that leg muscle power is transferred to the arms in some magic motion. Its because we train the arm and core muscles to work together to steer instead of the arm alone. Just like a fencer thrusts forward, all muscles are working together to add power. This action is why pro racers can flick the bike from side to side so much faster than the average rider. If one could build the skill and make it a habit, then they just upped their chances of avoiding a potential road hazard by alot. Would it have have saved the rider in the OP vid? Maybe... maybe not, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have the skill in their pocket to use as needed.
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