February 8th, 2015, 01:03 PM | #1 |
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Yamaha YZF R3 next month!!
According to the Yamaha website, the R3 should be in showrooms next month. I've seen the thread with over 500 posts....
I'm a Yamaha guy thru and thru... coming from 3 R6's, a YFZ450 quad, and current FZ1, it'd be preposterous to think I'd ride anything but big blue. Only got the Kawi to hopefully flip for a buck or two and fund accessories for the R3. All of my Yamaha's have been blue and will always be blue.
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February 8th, 2015, 01:16 PM | #2 |
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It's going to be interesting to see how the R3 and Ninja 300 compare with each other.
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February 8th, 2015, 01:26 PM | #3 |
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I like the look of the bike, for sure. The extra 30-ish cc over the 300 should help it in the comparisons, especially since they should come about the same weight. If you can actually get it out the door for around MSRP, it looks to be a good buy. Probably better fit and finish than the 300 and better suspension components (at least up front) and tires. Not sure I would personally trade in my 300 for one, though.
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February 8th, 2015, 05:05 PM | #4 |
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I read up on them when they released it, I want to see one.
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February 8th, 2015, 08:04 PM | #5 |
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It will be interesting to see the both bikes compared, but I think it's already clear which one will be the better choice and here just a few values for more information.
Valves: Yami - Inlet: 26 mm / Exhaust: 22.5 mm Valves: 300 - Inlet: 23.5 mm / Exhaust: 20 mm Difference in weight: Yami = 169 kg / 300 = 174 kg and that with 3 hp and 25 cc more for the R3. Not to forget the torque from 29.6 N @ 9000 rpm for the R3, while the 300 got 27 N @ 10000 rpm. So at least I think it's already clear and to say it in a simple word: each product which comes later will always have an advantage. |
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February 8th, 2015, 08:08 PM | #6 |
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As they are right now the R3 is going to school the N300, so it'll be real fun when kawasaki responds.
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February 8th, 2015, 08:17 PM | #7 |
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Man I want one... I'd at least like to test ride one. I'm glad to see all this competition. With all the competition we'll see better and better bikes. Hence why the 300 came out in the first place, once honda released their 250r.
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February 8th, 2015, 08:28 PM | #8 |
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hopefully better than their MotoGP effort.
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February 8th, 2015, 08:32 PM | #9 |
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It feels like kawasaki is focusing more on the dirt, stunt, and drag racing scenes at the moment and their market is definitely there for that. I'd love to see team green pop up in motogp and do well though, I half expect suzuki to do well this year
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February 8th, 2015, 08:41 PM | #10 |
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Exactly!
It seems the R3 wins the overall performance for the 300cc bikes and the CBR300 wins the price war. So now we have the ninja 300, which is the most expensive, heaviest and not the fastest... Kawi gotta step up their game soon. R3 MSRP $4,990 Parallel twin 321cc 42hp wet weight 368lbs N300 MSRP $5,199 Parallel twin 296cc 35hp wet weight 384lbs CBR300r MSRP $4,399 single cyl. 286cc 30hp wet weight 364lbs The only advantages of the ninja 300 that I can think of are really minor... like flush mount turn signals. I also believe the ninja is the only one with a slipper clutch (I think...). Still though, it's definitely going to be a tough battle. lol
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February 9th, 2015, 07:42 AM | #12 | |
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The only thing that puts me off on the R3 is the small gas tank. 3.7 gallons is a bit on the small side for my liking. |
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February 9th, 2015, 08:10 AM | #13 |
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Awesome!!! It's my favorite 300cc bike. Yamaha did it right this time!! Keep us posted!
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February 9th, 2015, 08:13 AM | #14 |
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Did they ever announce whether ABS is available? A friend of mine is looking at a 250cc - 300cc bike as his first bike. He definitely wants ABS.
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February 9th, 2015, 08:56 AM | #15 |
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I believe ABS is still not an option. The ninja 250 brakes are very hard to lock up. There really isn't any reason why a brand new rider should be buying a brand new bike. There is an incredibly high chance he is going to drop the bike and it would definitely be in his best interest to drop a used $2,500 ninja 250 opposed to a brand new $5,000 R3
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February 9th, 2015, 09:04 AM | #16 |
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Not a big deal, the R3 seems like it's definitely a more track focused bike. And with the smaller tank you definitely see the weight savings. These little bikes get such good gas mileage that even though it's a 3.7g tank you'll still see probably 250 miles to the tank which is more than enough.
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February 9th, 2015, 09:22 AM | #17 |
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February 9th, 2015, 09:33 AM | #18 | |
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Can't wait to start seeing R3 aftermarket.
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February 9th, 2015, 09:35 AM | #19 |
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I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying it's not like a SuperSport where it's a seriously strong brake that will easily lock up on you. Basic MSF course and a little bit of practice and I seriously doubt he will lock up his brakes.
Regardless, ABS is no substitute for good braking habits and skills.
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February 9th, 2015, 10:27 AM | #20 |
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Rookie mistake...
EDIT: Rich rookies can get away with it though! Last futzed with by jkv45; February 9th, 2015 at 01:51 PM. |
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February 9th, 2015, 11:57 AM | #21 | |
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And like most accountant/financial advisor type, he has a conservative personality, which is why he wants ABS on a bike with a small motor. He already got his BRC class completed in 2014 along with private lessons through MSF. just never found time to look for a bike. As for locking up the brakes, he's conservative. He rather have it and not need it vs needing it and not having it. He most likely will not ride in the rain, but he did say that as a newbie his innate reaction will probably be grab a fistful of brake if someone or something darts out right in front of him...and that would be horrible in the rain. Heck, I think my own reaction would be the same as his. No time to think. He's in his late 40s. Mid life crisis. But at least he's smart about it and eliminated supersports as his first bike. He doesn't care about status since he has a house with a garage full of luxury and sporty cars (and a circular driveway!) a boat and employees who work in his house to keep everything clean and in order. Eventually, he wants a Harley cruiser, but for now, he just wants to get his feet wet in the 2 wheel world. I personally think he's making an excellent choice. This is my old boss by the way. |
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February 9th, 2015, 01:17 PM | #22 |
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Holy crap, F it then. hahaha, I guess he counts as the 1% of people who can buy a bike brand new as a noobie.
It is because brand new riders make way more stupid errors. Like Forgetting to put down the kick stand. Getting off the bike on the wrong side. Stalling the bike, panic and let it drop. Trying to move it incorrectly. List goes on and on. I think 90% of the people on this forum have dropped their bike, It happens and it is completely understandable if someone is a brand new rider.
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February 9th, 2015, 01:36 PM | #23 |
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not just brand new riders, everyone makes mistakes. New riders just make mistakes more often because they don't know what they're supposed to do. Hell my last crash (at track) was entirely because I had no idea what I was doing and thought I did. This was after riding for something like 1.5-2 years and putting 15-20k miles down on the street with half of that on twisty roads.
Hats off to the guy with crazy $$$ that doesn't want to start off on a supersport He's actually the type of guy I'd say can start on a supersport since he has the cash to head to the track and learn how to use the bike before riding on the street. Something he should do anyway since he'll learn how to get the most out of the bike should he ever need to. He'd probably have some fun too, NJMP is a good track.
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February 9th, 2015, 03:15 PM | #24 |
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My point was not everyone starting out to ride is a broke kid and certainly not in this case. If someone is obviously starting out smart to learn they don't need a financial Lesson from you.
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February 9th, 2015, 04:25 PM | #25 |
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and my whole point was that the R3 comes out next month and should be a great bike.
If Colin Edwards likes it, then it must be a good bike. Just don't go off his MotoGP wins as any sort of reference.
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February 9th, 2015, 05:22 PM | #26 |
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If the R3 was available (used market) when I purchased my 300, I would've most likely picked it over the 300. On paper, it looks superior in every way performance wise.
More power, less weight is always a good thing! I can live without the slipper clutch and the ABS personally. But now that I have ABS, I do want my future bikes to have ABS. It's just like the 80s. Had no power steering, no power brakes, no AC, no power windows in my car. Once, I drove a car with them, I got spoiled and felt entitled. I guess same goes for ABS. Although it's more peace of mind than anything else since we don't get to experience it on a daily basis (or at least I hope we don't). But I'm excited to see how the Kawasaki will respond. Will they lower the price a little to be more competitive? Or will they market the slipper clutch, available ABS and larger tank as justification for the current price. |
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February 9th, 2015, 05:26 PM | #27 |
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Up the CC is how I predict Kawi responds
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February 9th, 2015, 06:15 PM | #28 |
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Design wise, the only Yamaha I really really like is the R6. Neither the R1 or the R3 strike my fancy.
Performance wise, on paper, the R3 takes it but, I don't expect another redesign from Kawi for another couple of years. They'll probably drop the price to compete with R3.
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February 9th, 2015, 07:35 PM | #29 |
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Not everyone drops their first bike, i had the luxury of dropping my second bike....
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February 9th, 2015, 07:48 PM | #30 |
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This looks really tempting... but yes, if I am going to buy a new bike, it better have ABS and traction control. Because why the hell not? It's widely available, cheap technology, that may save my life one day.
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February 10th, 2015, 04:37 AM | #32 | |
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Do little 300's need traction control? Can't imagine it'd be very hard to control 30'ish ponies and 2 piston calipers up front prolly don't scream to a halt like your typical dual 4 pot superbike. My dad's FJR has linked ABS and it works awesome, but makes me a lazy rider. I like the little R3 just the way it is... but maybe it could use some more blue in the lower fairings.
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February 10th, 2015, 08:12 AM | #33 |
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I don't really think these little bikes can push out enough torque to warrant traction control. You'd have to be at the ridiculous end of whiskey throttling it while leaned over to really have any appreciable need for traction control. If this were a liter bike I'd understand but it'd be wasted technology on such a small bike.
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^ seconded, I can be real hamfisted on my 300 at times and have never (even in the rain) felt the need for traction control
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I also really want to test ride one as it looks to be a very promising option... What I'm most excited about... the competition... It won't be long now until the 300's become 400's....
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February 10th, 2015, 10:00 AM | #36 | |
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but it seems that's Kawasaki's answer to getting beat... going bigger. why'd they make the 636? exactly. why'd they make the 300? to answer Honda. why'd they blow a literbike? same thing.
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February 10th, 2015, 10:31 AM | #38 |
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I wanna see what the bigger dealerships let these go for. One in Indiana is letting fz09 go for like 6800.
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Unless you really snap the throttle in the powerband in 2nd while leaned over on wet pavement (go play with it in a parking lot or neighborhood, it's fun) the rear end will not spin up. Maybe the 300 is just that much more gutsy than the 250, idk, but ijs.
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