Clutchless downshift?

Numbersix · August 25th, 2011, 05:55 AM

In driving I've always clutched downshifting (clutch, shift, heel-toe blip throttle, release) and ditto when riding the Suzuki GZ250 in my MSF class (except the blip is with the right wrist, of course).

I was kinda surprised yesterday riding my Ninja home that a little pressure on the shift lever plus an RPM-matching blip downshifted *without* the clutch.

I know quite a few racecars (even the trainers, like the Skip Barber car) do this and I've used it in simulation-racing on the computer.

Is it an intentional feature on the Ninja as well?

Skippii · August 25th, 2011, 06:02 AM

Every bike does that
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Alex · August 25th, 2011, 06:42 AM

Clutchless upshifting --> generally OK
Clutchless downshifting --> generally not OK

Sportrider has a good article on this, and we've had a few threads here on it as well:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79439
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51617
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25516
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78114

Numbersix · August 25th, 2011, 10:38 AM

Scan scan scan scan ... ok, got it. If the RPMs aren't matched, engine braking will stress the shifter. If I was perfect with the throttle no issues, but I don't pretend to be perfect, and I don't feel obliged to start breaking parts yet. Thanks!

alex.s · August 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM

but breaking parts is so fun... you get to push your bike...

Cuongism · August 25th, 2011, 04:25 PM

When I run out of gas, can I call you to push my bike

Don't forget the straws either.

alex.s · August 25th, 2011, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuongism

Don't forget the straws either.

i've got rubber tubes now!

Havok · August 26th, 2011, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuongism

When I run out of gas, can I call you to push my bike

Don't forget the straws either.

Lol

ninja_sleeper · August 26th, 2011, 01:00 PM

Didn't someone else make a post about this somewhere else? Kevin or something...

the big mike · August 26th, 2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja_sleeper

Didn't someone else make a post about this somewhere else? Kevin or something...

I believe so too

August 25th, 2011, 05:55 AM	#1
Numbersix ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: MI Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Honda Elite 110 (deceased), Green 2012 Ninja 250 (sold on Pi day); Grey/Green 2019 Ninja 400 ABS Posts: 238	Clutchless downshift? In driving I've always clutched downshifting (clutch, shift, heel-toe blip throttle, release) and ditto when riding the Suzuki GZ250 in my MSF class (except the blip is with the right wrist, of course). I was kinda surprised yesterday riding my Ninja home that a little pressure on the shift lever plus an RPM-matching blip downshifted without the clutch. I know quite a few racecars (even the trainers, like the Skip Barber car) do this and I've used it in simulation-racing on the computer. Is it an intentional feature on the Ninja as well?

August 25th, 2011, 06:42 AM	#3
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Clutchless upshifting --> generally OK Clutchless downshifting --> generally not OK Sportrider has a good article on this, and we've had a few threads here on it as well: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79439 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51617 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25516 http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78114 __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	but breaking parts is so fun... you get to push your bike... __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2011, 01:00 PM	#9
ninja_sleeper ninjette.org guru Name: Carrie Location: Oregon Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Red 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 2	Didn't someone else make a post about this somewhere else? Kevin or something... __________________________________________________

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Numbersix ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: MI Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Honda Elite 110 (deceased), Green 2012 Ninja 250 (sold on Pi day); Grey/Green 2019 Ninja 400 ABS Posts: 238	Scan scan scan scan ... ok, got it. If the RPMs aren't matched, engine braking will stress the shifter. If I was perfect with the throttle no issues, but I don't pretend to be perfect, and I don't feel obliged to start breaking parts yet. Thanks!

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