Front tire fender bender.. who's fault ?!

azian4lifz · November 16th, 2013, 08:05 AM

me and my boi decided to go on a ride one warm afternoon in the winter of 2013 in Virginia. anyways this pic will explain what happened that day.......

SteveL · November 16th, 2013, 08:23 AM

your fault.

Steve

xsnugglebear · November 16th, 2013, 08:45 AM

This picture is the most confusing diagram ever.

Basically you rear-ended him? If so, it's your fault. Legally and regularly.
Maintain enough following distance to be able to stop.

Motofool · November 16th, 2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by azian4lifz

me and my boi decided to go on a ride one warm afternoon in the winter of 2013 in Virginia. anyways this pic will explain what happened that day.......

The fault belongs to the person who trained you and skipped the fundamental learning and practice of emergency stops and swerving (emergency avoidance maneuvers).

Moving forward is much easier than stopping in time, reason for which, I believe that nobody should roll away in a motorcycle before mastering quick and controlled stopping.

Please, take a look at these:
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=136629

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=149961

Speed is not what hurt us, what can hurt or kill us is the sudden stops against other stationary objects.
We either develop the skill of avoiding that, or suffer the consequences of the unforgiving Physics.

azian4lifz · November 16th, 2013, 10:09 AM

We were going right and we both knew the destination.
The redlight was on the other side and he stopped thinking it was in our direction.

csmith12 · November 16th, 2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by azian4lifz

We were going right and we both knew the destination.
The redlight was on the other side and he stopped thinking it was in our direction.

Sorry Pat, this most likely does not change who is at fault in this case. Why he stopped is actually quite irrelevant. What if he stopped to allow a pedestrian the right of way?

Fact is, rear ending another vehicle is 99% of the time is the fault of the following vehicle because they were following to closely or not paying enough attention. To prove that was not the case, is extremely difficult.

rojoracing53 · November 16th, 2013, 11:47 AM

I'm still looking at the diagram going

azian4lifz · November 16th, 2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rojoracing53

I'm still looking at the diagram going

azian4lifz · November 16th, 2013, 12:02 PM

this isn't serious because i know the rider and i didn't even leave a scratch on his bike..I just made the thread to get other ppl's opinion
btw there were no pedestrians... but i guess it wud be my fault not leaving enough following space.

xSean13 · November 16th, 2013, 12:14 PM

i stopped reading after "boi"

azian4lifz · November 16th, 2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xSean13

i stopped reading after "boi"

good for you BOI

greenaero · November 16th, 2013, 12:18 PM

it's your fault, "boi"

I'm glad neither of you were injured and that no damage was sustained. I understand your frustration with your friend's sudden, unexpected stop but it's still the following rider's responsibility to stay behind enough to be able to brake safely. Hopefully an important lesson learned.

rasta · November 16th, 2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by azian4lifz

I'm not sure this diagram clarifies much lol

And it's your fault. There's rarely ever a good reason for rear ending someone

cuz · November 16th, 2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by azian4lifz

good for you BOI

7oxSin · November 16th, 2013, 10:05 PM

why not ride staggered?

azian4lifz · November 17th, 2013, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by greenaero

it's your fault, "boi"

I'm glad neither of you were injured and that no damage was sustained. I understand your frustration with your friend's sudden, unexpected stop but it's still the following rider's responsibility to stay behind enough to be able to brake safely. Hopefully an important lesson learned.

thanks for understanding and it was definitely a important lesson learned haha

xsnugglebear · November 17th, 2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by xSean13

i stopped reading after "boi"

http://youtu.be/jfGPQIDxA1A?t=16s

Boom King · November 17th, 2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by azian4lifz

From this diagram, you clearly didn't maintain at least a 2 second distance and were also going in the wrong direction.

Xtina · November 19th, 2013, 03:15 PM

What's with all the extra arrows and **** on the diagram? It's completely useless information for the scenario. And how did he manage to think it was him who had the light? Oh, wait... cuz Azian4lifz..
Also, ride staggered like you are supposed to.

alex.s · November 19th, 2013, 05:06 PM

yo phat boi get it strait up yo.

you ran into him. it is your fault. 100%. if you don't have enough room to stop if someone in front of you stops, and don't know how to go around them, you are doing some serious wrongs. maybe learn how to drive before you group ride and run into your boi, yo.

JohnnyBravo · November 19th, 2013, 10:44 PM

It's not his fault for screwing up, you hit him... An all that stagger, an feel free to check out our riding skill section, twist of the wrist an twist of the wrist 2, proficient motorcycling, and before riding again take the msf course.

cbinker · November 20th, 2013, 10:34 PM

it is YOUR fault, you ran into him, he could have stopped for a million reasons, and you have to allow enough space between you and the vehicle in front of you to safely stop.

November 16th, 2013, 08:05 AM	#1
azian4lifz ninjette.org member Name: pat Location: NoVa Virginia Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): none at the moment. previous owner of a 2005 Ninja 250 Posts: 82	Front tire fender bender.. who's fault ?! me and my boi decided to go on a ride one warm afternoon in the winter of 2013 in Virginia. anyways this pic will explain what happened that day....... __________________________________________________

November 16th, 2013, 08:23 AM	#2
SteveL old git Name: Steve Location: Geneve Switzerland Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): BMW K1300S Posts: 479	your fault. Steve __________________________________________________ Some mistakes are too much fun to make only once.

November 16th, 2013, 08:45 AM	#3
xsnugglebear ninjette.org member Name: Cody Location: San Jose, CA Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 23	This picture is the most confusing diagram ever. Basically you rear-ended him? If so, it's your fault. Legally and regularly. Maintain enough following distance to be able to stop.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

November 16th, 2013, 10:09 AM	#5
azian4lifz ninjette.org member Name: pat Location: NoVa Virginia Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): none at the moment. previous owner of a 2005 Ninja 250 Posts: 82	To all: We were going right and we both knew the destination. The redlight was on the other side and he stopped thinking it was in our direction. __________________________________________________

November 16th, 2013, 12:02 PM	#9
azian4lifz ninjette.org member Name: pat Location: NoVa Virginia Join Date: Oct 2013 Motorcycle(s): none at the moment. previous owner of a 2005 Ninja 250 Posts: 82	To all: this isn't serious because i know the rider and i didn't even leave a scratch on his bike..I just made the thread to get other ppl's opinion btw there were no pedestrians... but i guess it wud be my fault not leaving enough following space. __________________________________________________

November 16th, 2013, 11:47 AM	#7
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	I'm still looking at the diagram going

November 16th, 2013, 12:14 PM	#10
xSean13 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Middle TN Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r (sold) / '03 CBR 600RR Posts: A lot.	i stopped reading after "boi"
	2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

November 16th, 2013, 12:18 PM	#12
greenaero Motorcycle Hypermiler Name: Vic Location: Livermore CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 1999 & 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250R's Posts: A lot.	it's your fault, "boi" I'm glad neither of you were injured and that no damage was sustained. I understand your frustration with your friend's sudden, unexpected stop but it's still the following rider's responsibility to stay behind enough to be able to brake safely. Hopefully an important lesson learned. Last futzed with by greenaero; November 16th, 2013 at 09:00 PM.

November 16th, 2013, 10:05 PM	#15
7oxSin MSF Coach! Name: Lupe Location: Antioch, Tennessee Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2003 ninja 250 Posts: 886	why not ride staggered? __________________________________________________ Hey Unregistered wanna ride the dragon? Ninjette group ride! May 16th-20th Join the Ride!!http://www.ninjette.org/forums/group.php?groupid=35

November 19th, 2013, 03:15 PM	#19
Xtina ninjette.org guru Name: Christina Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300, 2007 Gsxr 600, R6-sold :( Posts: 270	What's with all the extra arrows and **** on the diagram? It's completely useless information for the scenario. And how did he manage to think it was him who had the light? Oh, wait... cuz Azian4lifz.. Also, ride staggered like you are supposed to.

November 19th, 2013, 05:06 PM	#20
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	yo phat boi get it strait up yo. you ran into him. it is your fault. 100%. if you don't have enough room to stop if someone in front of you stops, and don't know how to go around them, you are doing some serious wrongs. maybe learn how to drive before you group ride and run into your boi, yo. __________________________________________________

November 19th, 2013, 10:44 PM	#21
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	It's not his fault for screwing up, you hit him... An all that stagger, an feel free to check out our riding skill section, twist of the wrist an twist of the wrist 2, proficient motorcycling, and before riding again take the msf course. __________________________________________________

November 20th, 2013, 10:34 PM	#22
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	it is YOUR fault, you ran into him, he could have stopped for a million reasons, and you have to allow enough space between you and the vehicle in front of you to safely stop. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

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