Post pics of your most recent track/racing BP (Body Positioning) - Page 16

Sirref · December 6th, 2014, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Floki

I think I'm ok in this department. Next trip my mission is to brake as late as possible, without running off lol

look into smooth trailbraking, you brake later with more control and less panic

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 09:35 AM

@Floki

Kinda what Sirref said... but don't start with trailbraking, let that come after this.

If your next track day is at Jennings, then turns 3, 7, 13 and 1 are good for this. Plenty of good spots to work on it, but yep... before you go into a corner trailing to finalize entry speed, lets keep you on the track

. If you're not 100% sure you go it, don't do it.

choneofakind · December 6th, 2014, 09:45 AM

^^^ lol, I still find it funny how that awesome thread came right after my little mishap. I'm the perfect example of someone who knows just enough to get into trouble. I basically said to myself, "if he can brake late, I can do it. LETS GOOOOO! Oh look, I messed that up a little, now I'm off line into this next turn, igotthisigotthisigotthis leeaaaaannn! aaaaaaaaaaaaannndd there goes the front, I don't got this."

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 09:58 AM

Right Chris....

It's a sobering reminder that even the best of us can find ourselves in error from time to time. NOBODY is immune. Just as you learned from me, I learned from you and got better.

I also chose those turns at Jennings based on runoff avail as noted by Sirref. While 3 is not the best of runoff, you aint gunna hit anything either.

Gurk · December 6th, 2014, 10:49 AM

to me braking / trailbraking is the first thing anyone should work on as it's huge part of bike control but i won't get into that..

what i'll say though, lap times come from hitting all your apexes and exiting fast first. time you'll drop by getting great exits to straights on a track are wayyy larger than a few 10ths here and there on harder braking or later braking.

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 11:23 AM

Your qualifying time is based off a clean lap (hopefully).

Come the green flag, one can just hope to plain outride one's competitor. Other times, you competitor is right on your arse, or ahead of you and the only easy clean pass is on the brakes. Race 50+ races and comment again. Bottom line is, they have to make a mistake or you pass em on the brakes. So goes....

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 12:09 PM

And... Why would you say there Gurk? I don't wanna be a bonehead with prejudgement. What have you experienced that has made you think that braking is one of the first skills to work? Inquiring minds wanna know.

ally99 · December 6th, 2014, 06:36 PM

My most recent BP.

Braden07 · December 6th, 2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ally99

My most recent BP.

Not only did you fall.. But then your bike said screw you eat my dust ha.. Looks painful. Hopefully that wasn't you follow sarge's orders!!!

Sirref · December 6th, 2014, 07:56 PM

pretty sure sarge said ninjette track junkies aren't allowed to crash

also the best places to work on braking at jennings are definitely those turns, on a 250 turn 3 isn't that much on the brakes though

algs26 · December 6th, 2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ally99

My most recent BP.

Ouch. What happened? Highside? The bike is completely upright.

Sirref · December 6th, 2014, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by algs26

Ouch. What happened? Highside? The bike is completely upright.

street tires in dirt happened, more or less

burningscooter · December 6th, 2014, 08:34 PM

Im going bows next time at Summit Main! LMAO. JK

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Braden07

Not only did you fall.. But then your bike said screw you eat my dust ha.. Looks painful. Hopefully that wasn't you follow sarge's orders!!!

No sir! She dropped a contact. I told her to stop first before trying to pick it up but....

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 09:33 PM

double post... omg, I can't do anything right tonight.

Braden07 · December 6th, 2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

No sir! She dropped a contact. I told her to stop first before trying to pick it up but....

Oh those damn contacts!! It's a shame they are so expensive to where they could make you act in such a way.

Gurk · December 6th, 2014, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

And... Why would you say there Gurk? I don't wanna be a bonehead with prejudgement. What have you experienced that has made you think that braking is one of the first skills to work? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Reason I don't wanna get into it was cause I mentioned my reasons before and it became a chicken/egg argument with no real conclusion.

Simply put, I believe trailbraking can save lives on the street and minimize your neutral throttle at the track. I could care less if we're talking track only. People can do whatever they believe is fast. I'll just stick to what I know. But in real life, I become more passionate about this when people dismiss trailbraking or make it less of a priority.

Reason behind most people putting aside trailbraking and sticking to "get your braking done on the straight" is understandable. Trailbraking is not an easy craft. Too much of it can bite you (ask me how i know). So people think it's best to get done with your braking on a straight. Cool. But this assumes that rider never misjudges a corner. Which is a complete bs. Go watch riders in any canyon. I bet you there's quite a few who go in a corner too hot and they can't slow down mid corner and end up going over the lines. What if there's a truck coming??? Are you gonna tell him "oh you should've gotten your braking done before the corner". Too late for that! If you don't trailbrake to adjust your speed in that situation, what do you do? Dump it and hope the truck doesn't run over you? Pick it up and run off and hope you're not running straight into a mountain or a 50 feet drop? Who do you think has more chance of making that corner? One who has practiced trailbraking from day 1 or one that panics and hopes he's not squeezing the lever too hard?

Gurk · December 6th, 2014, 09:51 PM

But don't listen to me.. Listen to him:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=805304

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 10:09 PM

Ahh I see, it's just been my experience (on track) to not jump into very aggressive braking right off the bat. I don't follow any certain camp, to brake straight up, or trail off. I don't really care as long as you hit your entry speeds, hold your lines, markers and you keep it shiny side up.

Imho, Floki has made amazing progress in just 3 track days. Maybe even a little too much progress too fast, if you know what I mean. At the speeds he is riding, stuff goes wrong really fast. I think he made the right call too. If he is gunna go that fast, then he better well learn to shut it down fast. And since we don't slow from 145 to 65 mid corner, maybe we should start with the very hard braking while straight up. Then we can move to shaving off that last 15 or so (to start) while trailing. He seems to have great control and I think it will come to him with a lil bit of practice to find the bikes abilities as well as his own.

csmith12 · December 6th, 2014, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burningscooter

Im going bows next time at Summit Main! LMAO. JK

Gurk · December 6th, 2014, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Ahh I see, it's just been my experience (on track) to not jump into very aggressive braking right off the bat. I don't follow any certain camp, to brake straight up, or trail off. I don't really care as long as you hit your entry speeds, hold your lines, markers and you keep it shiny side up.

Imho, Floki has made amazing progress in just 3 track days. Maybe even a little too much progress too fast, if you know what I mean. At the speeds he is riding, stuff goes wrong really fast. I think he made the right call too. If he is gunna go that fast, then he better well learn to shut it down fast. And since we don't slow from 145 to 65 mid corner, maybe we should start with the very hard braking while straight up. Then we can move to shaving off that last 15 or so (to start) while trailing. He seems to have great control and I think it will come to him with a lil bit of practice to find the bikes abilities as well as his own.

Sure nothing we talk about here is black or white. Hell I endoed last track day!

ally99 · December 7th, 2014, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirref

street tires in dirt happened, more or less

I don't blame the tires whatsoever.
Dumb ass rider oversteered leaned over into a heavy patch of Florida dirt/sand. The bike started going down but the rear caught traction again and bucked me off pretty fast.

Never blame the bike. Or the tires. BT-45s have gotten me through many, many successful track days. They're dual compound tires with a hard center but pretty sticky edges. They're perfect for those of us who mostly use our bike for street riding and rarely push speeds on the track. No tires would have pulled me out of that egregious mishap.

Tadydrift · December 8th, 2014, 02:45 AM

I think this picture is my best

Braden07 · December 8th, 2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tadydrift

I think this picture is my best

what kind of exhaust is that?

green_bread · December 8th, 2014, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Braden07

what kind of exhaust is that?

Looks like an IXIL Hyperlow.

Tadydrift · December 8th, 2014, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by green_bread

Looks like an IXIL Hyperlow.

exactly sir

adouglas · December 13th, 2014, 07:24 AM

"Gee, that thing looks like it's going 100 mph standing still!"

Truer words were never spoken. :thumb up:

Sirref · December 13th, 2014, 07:26 AM

I see you have the same issue that I have, looking over the glasses

adouglas · December 13th, 2014, 07:41 AM

Looking over my glasses is not an option for me... I'm utterly blind (correction of +6.50/+7.00).

I have a geeky solution for it, which works very well.

Take a Breathe-Right strip. Fold it in half so that it makes a peak. Stick it high up on the bridge of your nose and perch your glasses on top.

You look even dorkier than usual when you're not wearing your helmet but it is 100 percent effective.

This year I'm going to get some contacts solely for riding use... I prefer glasses most of the time and I also wear progressive lenses.

adouglas · December 15th, 2014, 08:26 AM

UR DOING IT WRONG, BRO

cbinker · December 20th, 2014, 09:25 PM

this one is from a couple years ago, i just found it searching other pictures but it has to be one of my favorites!

choneofakind · December 21st, 2014, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by adouglas

UR DOING IT WRONG, BRO

You're Dudley Do-righting it there, bro. Looks like someone needs a new badge or user title or picture or something.

alex.s · December 21st, 2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adouglas

UR DOING IT WRONG, BRO

not to stray off on a tangent, but dude isn't sitting backwards on a sport bike with your feet on the pillion pegs like, Soooooo comfortable??? i love doing that. weird i know.

choneofakind · December 21st, 2014, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

not to stray off on a tangent, but dude isn't sitting backwards on a sport bike with your feet on the pillion pegs like, Soooooo comfortable??? i love doing that. weird i know.

It's okay, I do it too. Welcome to the special club.

JohnnyBravo · December 21st, 2014, 11:57 AM

I'm gonna go find some passenger pegs, put them in my pocket, an go sit backwards on my bike

Seattle · December 21st, 2014, 12:36 PM

Always liked this one on the gixxer before I became addicted to racing Baby Ninjas.

ratlab · December 25th, 2014, 02:27 PM

nothing on my 250 yet-next summer

adouglas · December 26th, 2014, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

You're Dudley Do-righting it there, bro. Looks like someone needs a new badge or user title or picture or something.

That's not me. All bald guys look the same from above.

choneofakind · December 26th, 2014, 07:50 PM

dcj13 · December 26th, 2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Careful, there! Your time will come. And you're not getting any younger...

December 6th, 2014, 09:35 AM	#602
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	@Floki Kinda what Sirref said... but don't start with trailbraking, let that come after this. If your next track day is at Jennings, then turns 3, 7, 13 and 1 are good for this. Plenty of good spots to work on it, but yep... before you go into a corner trailing to finalize entry speed, lets keep you on the track . If you're not 100% sure you go it, don't do it. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 6th, 2014, 09:45 AM	#603
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	^^^ lol, I still find it funny how that awesome thread came right after my little mishap. I'm the perfect example of someone who knows just enough to get into trouble. I basically said to myself, "if he can brake late, I can do it. LETS GOOOOO! Oh look, I messed that up a little, now I'm off line into this next turn, igotthisigotthisigotthis leeaaaaannn! aaaaaaaaaaaaannndd there goes the front, I don't got this."
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

December 6th, 2014, 09:58 AM	#604
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Right Chris.... It's a sobering reminder that even the best of us can find ourselves in error from time to time. NOBODY is immune. Just as you learned from me, I learned from you and got better. I also chose those turns at Jennings based on runoff avail as noted by Sirref. While 3 is not the best of runoff, you aint gunna hit anything either. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

December 6th, 2014, 11:23 AM	#606
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Your qualifying time is based off a clean lap (hopefully). Come the green flag, one can just hope to plain outride one's competitor. Other times, you competitor is right on your arse, or ahead of you and the only easy clean pass is on the brakes. Race 50+ races and comment again. Bottom line is, they have to make a mistake or you pass em on the brakes. So goes.... __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 6th, 2014, 12:09 PM	#607
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	And... Why would you say there Gurk? I don't wanna be a bonehead with prejudgement. What have you experienced that has made you think that braking is one of the first skills to work? Inquiring minds wanna know. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 6th, 2014, 10:49 AM	#605
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	to me braking / trailbraking is the first thing anyone should work on as it's huge part of bike control but i won't get into that.. what i'll say though, lap times come from hitting all your apexes and exiting fast first. time you'll drop by getting great exits to straights on a track are wayyy larger than a few 10ths here and there on harder braking or later braking.

December 6th, 2014, 07:56 PM	#610
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	pretty sure sarge said ninjette track junkies aren't allowed to crash also the best places to work on braking at jennings are definitely those turns, on a 250 turn 3 isn't that much on the brakes though __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

December 6th, 2014, 09:33 PM	#615
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	double post... omg, I can't do anything right tonight. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 6th, 2014, 09:51 PM	#618
Gurk Done here. Name: - Location: Track Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	But don't listen to me.. Listen to him: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=805304

December 6th, 2014, 10:09 PM	#619
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Ahh I see, it's just been my experience (on track) to not jump into very aggressive braking right off the bat. I don't follow any certain camp, to brake straight up, or trail off. I don't really care as long as you hit your entry speeds, hold your lines, markers and you keep it shiny side up. Imho, Floki has made amazing progress in just 3 track days. Maybe even a little too much progress too fast, if you know what I mean. At the speeds he is riding, stuff goes wrong really fast. I think he made the right call too. If he is gunna go that fast, then he better well learn to shut it down fast. And since we don't slow from 145 to 65 mid corner, maybe we should start with the very hard braking while straight up. Then we can move to shaving off that last 15 or so (to start) while trailing. He seems to have great control and I think it will come to him with a lil bit of practice to find the bikes abilities as well as his own. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

December 13th, 2014, 07:24 AM	#627
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	"Gee, that thing looks like it's going 100 mph standing still!" Truer words were never spoken. :thumb up: __________________________________________________ I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12 Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est. Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
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December 13th, 2014, 07:26 AM	#628
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	I see you have the same issue that I have, looking over the glasses __________________________________________________ I see you over there seeing me, do you see the me I think you see?

December 13th, 2014, 07:41 AM	#629
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	Looking over my glasses is not an option for me... I'm utterly blind (correction of +6.50/+7.00). I have a geeky solution for it, which works very well. Take a Breathe-Right strip. Fold it in half so that it makes a peak. Stick it high up on the bridge of your nose and perch your glasses on top. You look even dorkier than usual when you're not wearing your helmet but it is 100 percent effective. This year I'm going to get some contacts solely for riding use... I prefer glasses most of the time and I also wear progressive lenses. __________________________________________________ I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12 Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est. Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

December 15th, 2014, 08:26 AM	#630
adouglas Cat herder Name: Gort Location: A secret lair which, being secret, has an undisclosed location Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia RS660 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 6 MOTM - Jul '18, Nov '16, Aug '14, May '13	UR DOING IT WRONG, BRO __________________________________________________ I am NOT an adrenaline junkie, I'm a skill junkie. - csmith12 Nam et ipsa scientia potestas est. Heri historia. Cras mysterium. Hodie donum est. Carpe diem.
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December 20th, 2014, 09:25 PM	#631
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	this one is from a couple years ago, i just found it searching other pictures but it has to be one of my favorites! __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com
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December 21st, 2014, 11:57 AM	#635
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	I'm gonna go find some passenger pegs, put them in my pocket, an go sit backwards on my bike __________________________________________________

December 26th, 2014, 07:50 PM	#639
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14

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