Angry Riding - Angry Crash

akima · May 5th, 2015, 01:56 PM

Link to original page on YouTube.
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He was angry before the crash. I know that feeling. Must take this a reminder to chill-out rather than continue riding if I get like this.

As for who's at fault. I'd actually say it was both the rider and the cager. The rider should have approached that gap way~ slower. The cager should have been paying more attention: he must have known traffic would be coming his way shortly and he must have heard that motorcycle engine.

As for whether it was avoidable or not. It couldn't be more obvious that the rider could have avoided this entire situation had he approached the queued cars with less speed and more caution.

I like the calm dude who quietly checks up on the rider and helps with the bike!

csmith12 · May 5th, 2015, 02:03 PM

Bleedin' Christ... so much fail, in fact sooo much... that I don't even blame the cager at all in this case.

akima · May 5th, 2015, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Bleedin' Christ... so much fail, in fact sooo much... that I don't even blame the cager at all in this case.

I actually think it's mostly on the rider, but it was still the cager that moved forward into the side of the biker and the cager really must have been completely oblivious to his surroundings... which is particularly bad when you consider that he was stationary inside the intersection.

The faults of the rider are more obvious and more numerous than the cager.

The victim in all of this is that poor Honda motorcycle. It looks like it survived over a decade only for it to all end like this.

csmith12 · May 5th, 2015, 02:20 PM

Car had the right of way as it was already in the intersection. Bike should have turned right or waited. His impatience and approach caused the crash, plain and simple. In fact... since the cager was blocking the intersection, the only thing he could have done legally is to pull up and proceed to turn right, since going straight was blocked.

Either way, bike could not legally pass through like that. AND the biggest FAIL of the whole thing. What self respecting rider puts themselves between two cars in the middle of an intersection?!?!?!?

akima · May 5th, 2015, 02:26 PM

Guess there are different rules over where you are. Going through the cars like that would be legal here. I'd do exactly what he did, but ~10 times slower! I'd toot the horn or rev the engine to get the drivers attention before going in front of him.

It's possible the rider would have been prosecuted/fined under UK law for "driving without due care and attention" if he did that here.

csmith12 · May 5th, 2015, 02:28 PM

^^^^ Yep, different laws here is the main reason.

Tip: Play the video in slow motion and watch the car drivers head.

The biker will not like the outcome if he tries to use the video as evidence to prove fault.

subxero · May 5th, 2015, 04:25 PM

rider is an idiot

Insan3guy · May 5th, 2015, 04:37 PM

If the car wouldn't have moved forward (he was looking straight at the guy as he did), if the rider wouldn't have done something so monumentally stupid (could've just taken it at 5mph instead of redlining the thing)...

It just pains me to see things like this happen that are absolutely preventable, but nobody takes the half second to consider what could go wrong.

Skullz · May 5th, 2015, 04:54 PM

Had the rider gone behind the cager, everything would have went better, but he put himself in a situation that was certain to have a bad outcome going between 2 cars like that.
I will never put myself in a situation where a car moving forward has a chance to hit me if i were to go through like that at an intersection, i will always go behind the car as the likely hood of them backing up is much slimmer than them moving forward.

csmith12 · May 5th, 2015, 05:09 PM

Here is the video play by play.... lol

0-5 sec = bla bla bla
5-8 sec = grrrrrr
8-10 = vrooooooommmmmm!!!!
9 sec = driver of car turns head and looks and turns wheels to right
10 sec = driver is looking completely to right
10.5 sec = driver turns head to left to finally see rider
11 sec = rider boom!
11 sec = driver WTF??!?!?!
12-13 = scratch, sasldkkdd;lfkalslllllkkkkkk
14-end = you ok? Rider = WTF?!?!?!? bla bla bla
14-end = cager =

wtf just happened

cadd · May 5th, 2015, 05:26 PM

All could've been avoided if the right wrist wasn't so overzealous.

It's tough to way who's at fault. I think the rider should take most of the responsibility as he was riding and accelerating too aggressive.

Cars shouldn't block the "box". Illegal in NYC. However, everyone and their mothers do that in NYC. Block the damn box because the light goes from red to green. You move up 5ft and you're in the middle of the intersection. Then wait there for 3 minutes because it's jammed up ahead. Then light turns red. LOL

But.....I think I remember when I was taking driver's ed. If you're making a turn, and you're stuck in the middle of an intersection (yielding to cars from the other direction), once the light turns red for you, you still have the right of way to complete your turn.

So, I'm not sure who's at fault "legally". But I know if the rider was going through at 10mph instead of 30mph, he could've easily reacted in time and stopped to avoid the accident.

MrAtom · May 5th, 2015, 09:11 PM

I hope his mountain dew was ok.

cadd · May 5th, 2015, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrAtom

I hope his mountain dew was ok.

LOL. Good eye!

greg737 · May 6th, 2015, 01:07 AM

This video made me remember the "Traffic Lights: Are They Needed?" video, posted here in the forum last week.

All of the participants in this crash video (the motorcyclist and all of the cars blocking the intersection) were mentioned in that video, with the motorcycle rider specifically reminding me of the quote, "It's the green light that encourages the speed, which licenses the aggression" (at about 6:25 in the video)

MrAtom · May 6th, 2015, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadd

LOL. Good eye!

If there is mountain dew, I will find it.

akima · May 6th, 2015, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

This video made me remember the "Traffic Lights: Are They Needed?" video, posted here in the forum last week.

All of the participants in this crash video (the motorcyclist and all of the cars blocking the intersection) were mentioned in that video, with the motorcycle rider specifically reminding me of the quote, "It's the green light that encourages the speed, which licenses the aggression" (at about 6:25 in the video)

Totally. Add to that the build up of frustration of being ordered to wait when you can see it's clear up ahead.

It's a nice feeling maintaining your flow and your momentum - dynamically moving and adjusting your speed to the environment around you. Traffic lights completely kill that flow and change driving into a controlled and mechanized affair, treating people more like unintelligent machines.

None of the above changes the fact that this rider really did let his emotions overwhelm him to the point that he made some very stupid decisions. Even if it's more likely to happen with lights, it could still happen without lights. I've pulled over on occasion to cool off after getting way too stressed out on my bike and feeling that stress find its way down to my throttle hand.

DEFY · May 6th, 2015, 05:10 AM

This could had been avoided so easily. Its the riders fault for shooting the intersection so quick but there is a lot of fault on the cager for running a red light. There is a reason they tell you to stop at an intersection when in backed up road conditions. There is no reason that car should have entered the intersection to begin with. Since he is still in it when the light turns red he can probably be brought charges for running it. However, if that rider hadn't just grabbed throttle this wouldn't have happened.

fry1024 · May 6th, 2015, 08:31 AM

Uhg, so much fail.

The car did move up a little but that gap btwn the cars was more than enough to ride through. To me it looks like the rider purposely rode as close to the white car as possible to, sort of speak, buzz the driver. A F*** you sort of thing. Unfortunately the driver started pulling up and right and the rider didn't adjust.

akima · May 6th, 2015, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fry1024

Uhg, so much fail.

The car did move up a little but that gap btwn the cars was more than enough to ride through. To me it looks like the rider purposely rode as close to the white car as possible to, sort of speak, buzz the driver. A F*** you sort of thing. Unfortunately the driver started pulling up and right and the rider didn't adjust.

I think this guy would have made it through the closing gap:

Link to original page on YouTube.

DEFY · May 6th, 2015, 09:19 AM

gotta shuck and jive lol

Motofool · May 6th, 2015, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

I think this guy would have made it through the closing gap:

That is the way to do it: fight it to the end !!!

Great vids, Akima

fry1024 · May 7th, 2015, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

I think this guy would have made it through the closing gap:

Link to original page on YouTube.

Wow, yeah, fight till the end and yes, he would have done just fine.

akima · May 7th, 2015, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

That is the way to do it: fight it to the end !!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by fry1024

Wow, yeah, fight till the end and yes, he would have done just fine.

If I did what that guy did, I think I'd feel like I simultaneously deserved a pat on the back for my mad skills and a slap in the face for being such an idiot as to require the use of those skills

DEFY · May 7th, 2015, 12:49 PM

@akima

if that happened to me I would pull over right after and probably die from a heart attack.

allanoue · May 7th, 2015, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akima

If I did what that guy did, I think I'd feel like I simultaneously deserved a pat on the back for my mad skills and a slap in the face for being such an idiot as to require the use of those skills

This and go to buy a lottery ticket while luck holds out

akima · May 7th, 2015, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEFY

@akima

if that happened to me I would pull over right after and probably die from a heart attack.

OK, come to think of it. I probably would too

cadd · May 7th, 2015, 01:03 PM

It had to be the Ohlins that saved him [/sarcasm]

May 5th, 2015, 01:56 PM	#1
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	Angry Riding - Angry Crash Link to original page on YouTube. backup link He was angry before the crash. I know that feeling. Must take this a reminder to chill-out rather than continue riding if I get like this. As for who's at fault. I'd actually say it was both the rider and the cager. The rider should have approached that gap way~ slower. The cager should have been paying more attention: he must have known traffic would be coming his way shortly and he must have heard that motorcycle engine. As for whether it was avoidable or not. It couldn't be more obvious that the rider could have avoided this entire situation had he approached the queued cars with less speed and more caution. I like the calm dude who quietly checks up on the rider and helps with the bike! __________________________________________________
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May 5th, 2015, 02:03 PM	#2
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Bleedin' Christ... so much fail, in fact sooo much... that I don't even blame the cager at all in this case. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

May 5th, 2015, 02:20 PM	#4
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Car had the right of way as it was already in the intersection. Bike should have turned right or waited. His impatience and approach caused the crash, plain and simple. In fact... since the cager was blocking the intersection, the only thing he could have done legally is to pull up and proceed to turn right, since going straight was blocked. Either way, bike could not legally pass through like that. AND the biggest FAIL of the whole thing. What self respecting rider puts themselves between two cars in the middle of an intersection?!?!?!? __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

May 5th, 2015, 02:26 PM	#5
akima Nooblet Name: Akima Location: England Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R FI Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '13	Guess there are different rules over where you are. Going through the cars like that would be legal here. I'd do exactly what he did, but ~10 times slower! I'd toot the horn or rev the engine to get the drivers attention before going in front of him. It's possible the rider would have been prosecuted/fined under UK law for "driving without due care and attention" if he did that here. __________________________________________________

May 5th, 2015, 02:28 PM	#6
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	^^^^ Yep, different laws here is the main reason. Tip: Play the video in slow motion and watch the car drivers head. The biker will not like the outcome if he tries to use the video as evidence to prove fault. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

May 5th, 2015, 04:25 PM	#7
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	rider is an idiot __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.

May 5th, 2015, 04:37 PM	#8
Insan3guy ninjette.org member Name: Patrick Location: Coronado, CA Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2015 zx6r Posts: 176	If the car wouldn't have moved forward (he was looking straight at the guy as he did), if the rider wouldn't have done something so monumentally stupid (could've just taken it at 5mph instead of redlining the thing)... It just pains me to see things like this happen that are absolutely preventable, but nobody takes the half second to consider what could go wrong.
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May 5th, 2015, 04:54 PM	#9
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Had the rider gone behind the cager, everything would have went better, but he put himself in a situation that was certain to have a bad outcome going between 2 cars like that. I will never put myself in a situation where a car moving forward has a chance to hit me if i were to go through like that at an intersection, i will always go behind the car as the likely hood of them backing up is much slimmer than them moving forward.
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May 5th, 2015, 05:09 PM	#10
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Here is the video play by play.... lol 0-5 sec = bla bla bla 5-8 sec = grrrrrr 8-10 = vrooooooommmmmm!!!! 9 sec = driver of car turns head and looks and turns wheels to right 10 sec = driver is looking completely to right 10.5 sec = driver turns head to left to finally see rider 11 sec = rider boom! 11 sec = driver WTF??!?!?! 12-13 = scratch, sasldkkdd;lfkalslllllkkkkkk 14-end = you ok? Rider = WTF?!?!?!? bla bla bla 14-end = cager = wtf just happened __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
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May 5th, 2015, 05:26 PM	#11
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	All could've been avoided if the right wrist wasn't so overzealous. It's tough to way who's at fault. I think the rider should take most of the responsibility as he was riding and accelerating too aggressive. Cars shouldn't block the "box". Illegal in NYC. However, everyone and their mothers do that in NYC. Block the damn box because the light goes from red to green. You move up 5ft and you're in the middle of the intersection. Then wait there for 3 minutes because it's jammed up ahead. Then light turns red. LOL But.....I think I remember when I was taking driver's ed. If you're making a turn, and you're stuck in the middle of an intersection (yielding to cars from the other direction), once the light turns red for you, you still have the right of way to complete your turn. So, I'm not sure who's at fault "legally". But I know if the rider was going through at 10mph instead of 30mph, he could've easily reacted in time and stopped to avoid the accident. __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.

May 5th, 2015, 09:11 PM	#12
MrAtom . Name: . Location: . Join Date: Aug 2014 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot. MOTM - July '15	I hope his mountain dew was ok.

May 6th, 2015, 01:07 AM	#14
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	This video made me remember the "Traffic Lights: Are They Needed?" video, posted here in the forum last week. All of the participants in this crash video (the motorcyclist and all of the cars blocking the intersection) were mentioned in that video, with the motorcycle rider specifically reminding me of the quote, "It's the green light that encourages the speed, which licenses the aggression" (at about 6:25 in the video)
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May 6th, 2015, 05:10 AM	#17
DEFY ᗧ•••ᗣ•ᗣᗣ•••ᗣ Name: Nick Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R and 2014 Triumph 675R Posts: A lot.	This could had been avoided so easily. Its the riders fault for shooting the intersection so quick but there is a lot of fault on the cager for running a red light. There is a reason they tell you to stop at an intersection when in backed up road conditions. There is no reason that car should have entered the intersection to begin with. Since he is still in it when the light turns red he can probably be brought charges for running it. However, if that rider hadn't just grabbed throttle this wouldn't have happened. __________________________________________________ Spoiler for topic: It might just be the [you] tag

May 6th, 2015, 08:31 AM	#18
fry1024 ninjette.org guru Name: Jason Location: WV Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 650R & 2007 Buell Blast Posts: 323	Uhg, so much fail. The car did move up a little but that gap btwn the cars was more than enough to ride through. To me it looks like the rider purposely rode as close to the white car as possible to, sort of speak, buzz the driver. A F*** you sort of thing. Unfortunately the driver started pulling up and right and the rider didn't adjust.

May 6th, 2015, 09:19 AM	#20
DEFY ᗧ•••ᗣ•ᗣᗣ•••ᗣ Name: Nick Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R and 2014 Triumph 675R Posts: A lot.	gotta shuck and jive lol __________________________________________________ Spoiler for topic: It might just be the [you] tag

May 7th, 2015, 12:49 PM	#24
DEFY ᗧ•••ᗣ•ᗣᗣ•••ᗣ Name: Nick Location: NY Join Date: Nov 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R and 2014 Triumph 675R Posts: A lot.	@akima if that happened to me I would pull over right after and probably die from a heart attack. __________________________________________________ Spoiler for topic: It might just be the [you] tag

May 7th, 2015, 01:03 PM	#27
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	It had to be the Ohlins that saved him [/sarcasm] __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.
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