What car could get you off your bike???

OCMagnum · October 23rd, 2013, 03:05 PM

and I don't mean by crashing into you and knocking you over.....

Lets say you have a significant other that you know is worried every time you ride and would be very happy if you were to get back on 4 wheels. Are there any cars out there that might entice you enough to consider a switch to a car as primary method of transportation?

For me, the bike is my only method of transportation these days and I know my wife is worried, especially since my commute recently increased quite a bit. But I am having so much fun on the bike every day that I know I would be miserable if I started commuting in a "cookie cutter" type car again (I know, first world problem, but bear with me). That said, I think that something like a BMW Z4 could also still be a lot of fun; not a practical car by any means, but it could still make the commute enjoyable while reserving the two wheels for the weekend fun ride.

What car would you consider for commuting with a high fun factor?

outasight20 · October 23rd, 2013, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCMagnum

and I don't mean by crashing into you and knocking you over.....

Lets say you have a significant other that you know is worried every time you ride and would be very happy if you were to get back on 4 wheels. Are there any cars out there that might entice you enough to consider a switch to a car as primary method of transportation?

For me, the bike is my only method of transportation these days and I know my wife is worried, especially since my commute recently increased quite a bit. But I am having so much fun on the bike every day that I know I would be miserable if I started commuting in a "cookie cutter" type car again (I know, first world problem, but bear with me). That said, I think that something like a BMW Z4 could also still be a lot of fun; not a practical car by any means, but it could still make the commute enjoyable while reserving the two wheels for the weekend fun ride.

What car would you consider for commuting with a high fun factor?

Realistically, a Mazda MX-5. It is tiny and handles like a dream. Not that fast, but cars aren't in general compared to bikes.

But I would never get rid of my bike.

rasta · October 23rd, 2013, 03:27 PM

I could probably get around $3000 for my bike. I wouldn't want to buy a car for that price

EDIT: My dyslexia made me read the OP wrong.

I'd say a Subaru BRZ

ninjamunky85 · October 23rd, 2013, 03:32 PM

None, I bought a truck to carry my bikes around.

Sinister · October 23rd, 2013, 03:46 PM

If i was offered a choice of:

A: Get rid of my sti and get a cheap, reliable slow and boring beater of some sort BUT keep my zx-14

or

B: Keep the sti, but lose the bike.

I would go with B, every time. Doesn't matter what bike it is. I like bikes but in my heart im a car guy through and through

rasta · October 23rd, 2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinister

I like bikes but in my heart im a car guy through and through

Leave. And never come back.

Kidding

CycleCam303 · October 23rd, 2013, 03:55 PM

I guess if I had to give up a bike either a 911 gt3 or a f430 scuderia, lotus exige. Either would do.

alex.s · October 23rd, 2013, 03:58 PM

CycleCam303 · October 23rd, 2013, 03:58 PM

Oops I didn't even finish reading the rest of the op. commuter car, s2000 or Mazdaspeed 3

Sinister · October 23rd, 2013, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

Oops I didn't even finish reading the rest of the op. commuter car, s2000 or Mazdaspeed 3

Ack, neither did i..

Alex · October 23rd, 2013, 04:07 PM

Commuting isn't fun no matter the vehicle. A motorcycle can get you through traffic quite a bit quicker, especially here in California, but it's still not fun. It's stressful and does come with a bit of risk as well. I don't mind accepting that risk when I'm having fun on the bike, but commuting on a freeway day in day out has never been fun for me, so it's a little harder to accept.

Big fan of the commuter car + bunch of bikes for fun concept.

The commuter for me has been the aforementioned Mazdaspeed3 for many years now. While it's entertaining and playful for a car, it's still a world apart from having fun on a bike.

OCMagnum · October 23rd, 2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinister

Ack, neither did i..

No problem at all, everthing is fair game. As per my OP, right now I would be leaning towards a BMW Z4; not your typical commuter car either.....

adouglas · October 23rd, 2013, 04:11 PM

My lifestyle does not permit me to choose one or the other.

I absolutely must have a car that can carry my band gear/big dogs and be ultra-reliable and efficient. That pretty much rules out anything truly exciting. I chose a Honda Fit and I absolutely love it.

More money would not give me a car of sufficient performance to displace the bike. My bike is faster than a freakin' Ferrari but my dogs won't fit in a Ferrari. So if I HAD to give up my bike and replace it with something that scratches the performance itch, I'd just be buying a second car.

I'm not inclined to do such a thing, particularly.

But if pressed... I've always had a soft spot for Porsches. I like Ferraris too, if it's the right one.

massacremasses · October 23rd, 2013, 04:14 PM

GTR

Skullz · October 23rd, 2013, 04:17 PM

Lotus Elise

OCMagnum · October 23rd, 2013, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullz

Lotus Elise

Awesome!! Is this yours?

Skullz · October 23rd, 2013, 04:27 PM

No, sadly

Racer x · October 23rd, 2013, 04:53 PM

It took a 14 year old astro van to get me off two wheels. And I was car free for like eight years. Of course the van is for taking the bike to the track.

MagicMike · October 23rd, 2013, 05:21 PM

Scuderia is awesome, sadly they are stupidly priced and rare as heck over here. Gt3 or 2 would be nice, but for now the z32's will do for when it is raining. Way faster than the bike, wet or dry

tnr4 · October 23rd, 2013, 05:25 PM

Cars just don't do it. Even if I were willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money, I wouldn't have that much fun. And unlike Alex, I even enjoy commuting on my bike. Just being on two wheels makes my day better. If I had to make my commute in a car every day, I'd quit my job.

When I do buy a cage, it will be something big enough to pull a bike trailer to the track, or to put a bike in/on.

Boom King · October 23rd, 2013, 05:30 PM

I'd sell the bike but keep some of my gear and get one of these if the significant other wanted me to stay on 4 wheels...

Mocha Man · October 23rd, 2013, 06:13 PM

This car:

anacron · October 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM

Land Rover with the following off-road settings:

Too soon?
Seriously though... I can't see myself giving up motorcycles all together. Get yourself a car and a motorcycle and drive whatever fits the needs.

csmith12 · October 23rd, 2013, 06:32 PM

It was easier for me to get rid of the commute instead, so I started working from home. Problem solved...

Sipper' · October 23rd, 2013, 07:18 PM

None, cars lean the wrong way, can't do through the gear wheelies, or stoppies!

CycleCam303 · October 23rd, 2013, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Big fan of the commuter car + bunch of bikes for fun concept.

The commuter for me has been the aforementioned Mazdaspeed3 for many years now. While it's entertaining and playful for a car, it's still a world apart from having fun on a bike.

Holy crap your level of awesome increased ten fold. You daily a speed3? Best street car evAr lol

rojoracing53 · October 23rd, 2013, 07:23 PM

You know how I like Orange

CycleCam303 · October 23rd, 2013, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

You know how I like Orange

They run 2zzgte motors on those (2001 celica gts motor) so stay out of boost and you're getting decent mileage

choneofakind · October 23rd, 2013, 07:27 PM

Id do it for a well equipped (or should I say, well sorted) S2000.

Jono · October 23rd, 2013, 07:57 PM

S2000, Lotus Elise, or BRZ.

Ytse Frobozz · October 23rd, 2013, 08:08 PM

How about go to three wheels and get a T-Rex?

csmith12 · October 23rd, 2013, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sipper'

None, cars lean the wrong way, can't do through the gear wheelies, or stoppies!

Hmmmm, there is some interesting stuff on the grungier side of youtube my friend.

Can cars lean - check
Can cars wheelie through gears - yep
Can cars stoppie -

Sirref · October 23rd, 2013, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

You know how I like Orange

I would do unspeakable things for that car, but it still wouldn't make me give up riding. though my dream car is lotus for sure I doubt I would ever own one due to impracticality without a lot of extra money to spend. I'll most likely end up with a truck or a hatchback that can tow (for track days) and a bunch of bikes.

rojoracing53 · October 23rd, 2013, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

They run 2zzgte motors on those (2001 celica gts motor) so stay out of boost and you're getting decent mileage

stay out of the boost in that

like that'll ever happen

verboten1 · October 24th, 2013, 04:55 AM

This scenario will not happen, I have my gas sipper convertible, my VR6 GTI, and soon my 4 door 50 mpg hatchback. When the cars aren't the option, the wife hops on her bike, and I chose one of mine. It's already snowing here, so, it's more of a seasonal thing here. If it were nice all year, I would probably be on bikes more

But,a fun commuter, for me the Elise is not. Have you ever gotten in and out of one? Tight cockpit as well.

I want a 4 door, R32 lol

dfox · October 24th, 2013, 05:56 AM

Personally, it'd take something pretty expensive to get me off my bike, as I already own a very fun commuter car. It'd take a 911 gt3, exige, GTR, M1, etc. I have owned some pretty fun commuter cars in my past and bought them both before I owned the motorcycle to help stave off my craving.

if you're just looking for a fun car to drive that has good gas mileage, I'd recommend considering:
Mini Cooper S
WRX
Mazdaspeed 3
GTI (or R32 or Gulf R)
MX-5
Focus ST
lancer ralliart
Genesis Coupe
BRZ/FRS
s2k

I have owned a Cooper S and now the WRX. The cooper S was a freaking spectacularly fun commuter. I regularly got 35+ mpg. After upgrading the suspension bits, I had a car that handled like it was on rails. It wasn't the quickest car on the road, but it'd outrun most, and could certainly out handle 99%. It was comfortable, shifter felt amazing, very responsive steering, and got looks from people all the time. In my opinion, there is no more fun, high mpg, commuter car out there. I miss it at times.

I switched to the WRX for my fun commuter because I had some mechanical issues with the MCS. The WRX is much faster, but doesn't handle as well. Gas mileage is worse (25mpg average), but imo, the tradeoff in power and AWD was worth it as I spend a lot of time driving in the snow.

massacremasses · October 24th, 2013, 07:35 AM

Id never trade a bike for anything FWD.. especially a FWD turbo. I seriously almost got a speed3, when I graduated.. But got a 3000GT VR4. It was old but ran strong and was pretty fast.. but that AWD though. Never going back to a FWD unless its a pure daily (no fun daily like I have now) Not dealing with that torque steer.

dfox · October 24th, 2013, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Id never trade a bike for anything FWD.. especially a FWD turbo. I seriously almost got a speed3, when I graduated.. But got a 3000GT VR4. It was old but ran strong and was pretty fast.. but that AWD though. Never going back to a FWD unless its a pure daily (no fun daily like I have now) Not dealing with that torque steer.

I had basically no torque steer on my MCS. factory optional mechanical LSD probably helped with that, as did the electronic steering and upgraded suspension/bushings. torque steer typically has to do with un-equal length axles (and mushy bushings), which IIRC the MCS has equal length. I used to have an accord, so I know what torque steer is... I highly recommend going on a test drive if you never have, there really is no other car that compares. the GTI feals like a boat compared to the MCS.

Numbersix · October 24th, 2013, 08:32 AM

CC Cowboy · October 24th, 2013, 09:17 AM

Commute? I'm not sure I know of this concept. Why and where do you do this commute thing?

October 23rd, 2013, 03:05 PM	#1
OCMagnum ninjette.org member Name: OC Location: SoCal Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Aprilia Dorsoduro 750, 2012 Ducati Monster 696 (sold), 2012 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: 168	What car could get you off your bike??? and I don't mean by crashing into you and knocking you over..... Lets say you have a significant other that you know is worried every time you ride and would be very happy if you were to get back on 4 wheels. Are there any cars out there that might entice you enough to consider a switch to a car as primary method of transportation? For me, the bike is my only method of transportation these days and I know my wife is worried, especially since my commute recently increased quite a bit. But I am having so much fun on the bike every day that I know I would be miserable if I started commuting in a "cookie cutter" type car again (I know, first world problem, but bear with me). That said, I think that something like a BMW Z4 could also still be a lot of fun; not a practical car by any means, but it could still make the commute enjoyable while reserving the two wheels for the weekend fun ride. What car would you consider for commuting with a high fun factor?

October 23rd, 2013, 03:32 PM	#4
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October 23rd, 2013, 03:58 PM	#8
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October 23rd, 2013, 04:07 PM	#11
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Commuting isn't fun no matter the vehicle. A motorcycle can get you through traffic quite a bit quicker, especially here in California, but it's still not fun. It's stressful and does come with a bit of risk as well. I don't mind accepting that risk when I'm having fun on the bike, but commuting on a freeway day in day out has never been fun for me, so it's a little harder to accept. Big fan of the commuter car + bunch of bikes for fun concept. The commuter for me has been the aforementioned Mazdaspeed3 for many years now. While it's entertaining and playful for a car, it's still a world apart from having fun on a bike. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

October 23rd, 2013, 04:11 PM	#13
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October 23rd, 2013, 03:27 PM	#3
rasta Your face Name: Wes Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Honda CBR650f Posts: A lot.	I could probably get around $3000 for my bike. I wouldn't want to buy a car for that price EDIT: My dyslexia made me read the OP wrong. I'd say a Subaru BRZ

October 23rd, 2013, 03:46 PM	#5
Sinister nub Name: Adam Location: PA Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 zx-14 Posts: 142	If i was offered a choice of: A: Get rid of my sti and get a cheap, reliable slow and boring beater of some sort BUT keep my zx-14 or B: Keep the sti, but lose the bike. I would go with B, every time. Doesn't matter what bike it is. I like bikes but in my heart im a car guy through and through

October 23rd, 2013, 03:55 PM	#7
CycleCam303 King Hamfist Name: Cameron Location: NorCal East Bay Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Crf 150R, 2011 Hypermotard 796 Posts: 940	I guess if I had to give up a bike either a 911 gt3 or a f430 scuderia, lotus exige. Either would do.

October 23rd, 2013, 04:14 PM	#14
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	GTR __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 23rd, 2013, 04:17 PM	#15
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Lotus Elise

October 23rd, 2013, 04:27 PM	#17
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	No, sadly

October 23rd, 2013, 04:53 PM	#18
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	It took a 14 year old astro van to get me off two wheels. And I was car free for like eight years. Of course the van is for taking the bike to the track. __________________________________________________ Top speed 123.369mph. Ohio mile Worlds fastest 250 ninja
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October 23rd, 2013, 05:21 PM	#19
MagicMike ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: Brisbane Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250J Posts: 126	Scuderia is awesome, sadly they are stupidly priced and rare as heck over here. Gt3 or 2 would be nice, but for now the z32's will do for when it is raining. Way faster than the bike, wet or dry

October 23rd, 2013, 05:25 PM	#20
tnr4 ninjette.org sage Name: Travis Location: Washington, DC Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki GSX650F! Past: Kawasaki Ninja 300 (Sold); Triumph Street Triple (Sold); Kawasaki Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: 664	Cars just don't do it. Even if I were willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money, I wouldn't have that much fun. And unlike Alex, I even enjoy commuting on my bike. Just being on two wheels makes my day better. If I had to make my commute in a car every day, I'd quit my job. When I do buy a cage, it will be something big enough to pull a bike trailer to the track, or to put a bike in/on.

October 23rd, 2013, 05:30 PM	#21
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I'd sell the bike but keep some of my gear and get one of these if the significant other wanted me to stay on 4 wheels...

October 23rd, 2013, 06:13 PM	#22
Mocha Man Blue Shell magnet Name: Nolan Location: Northwest Washington Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1997 Ninja 250 Posts: 816	This car:

October 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM	#23
anacron ninjette.org guru Name: Adi Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Triumph Street Triple R Posts: 380	Land Rover with the following off-road settings: Too soon? Seriously though... I can't see myself giving up motorcycles all together. Get yourself a car and a motorcycle and drive whatever fits the needs. __________________________________________________ Here's my Youtube Channel. Here's my Flickr Photostream.

October 23rd, 2013, 06:32 PM	#24
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	It was easier for me to get rid of the commute instead, so I started working from home. Problem solved... __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

October 23rd, 2013, 07:18 PM	#25
Sipper' ninjette.org member Name: Brian Location: Atlanta Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninja Posts: 179	None, cars lean the wrong way, can't do through the gear wheelies, or stoppies!

October 23rd, 2013, 07:23 PM	#27
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	You know how I like Orange

October 23rd, 2013, 07:27 PM	#29
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Id do it for a well equipped (or should I say, well sorted) S2000.

October 23rd, 2013, 07:57 PM	#30
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	S2000, Lotus Elise, or BRZ.

October 23rd, 2013, 08:08 PM	#31
Ytse Frobozz Not dead yet! Name: Rob Location: Marlborough MA Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 315	How about go to three wheels and get a T-Rex?

October 24th, 2013, 04:55 AM	#35
verboten1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Monroe, MI Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): '75 CB550:.'82 XV920:.'00 KLR650:.'00 EX250:.'08 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTM - June '15	This scenario will not happen, I have my gas sipper convertible, my VR6 GTI, and soon my 4 door 50 mpg hatchback. When the cars aren't the option, the wife hops on her bike, and I chose one of mine. It's already snowing here, so, it's more of a seasonal thing here. If it were nice all year, I would probably be on bikes more But,a fun commuter, for me the Elise is not. Have you ever gotten in and out of one? Tight cockpit as well. I want a 4 door, R32 lol __________________________________________________ '82 XV920: Soon to be tracker--'00 KLR685:adv --'04 DRZ400E--'12 Super Tenere --'13 Versys Ride more, worry less.

October 24th, 2013, 07:35 AM	#37
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	Id never trade a bike for anything FWD.. especially a FWD turbo. I seriously almost got a speed3, when I graduated.. But got a 3000GT VR4. It was old but ran strong and was pretty fast.. but that AWD though. Never going back to a FWD unless its a pure daily (no fun daily like I have now) Not dealing with that torque steer. __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 24th, 2013, 08:32 AM	#39
Numbersix ninjette.org member Name: Michael Location: MI Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Honda Elite 110 (deceased), Green 2012 Ninja 250 (sold on Pi day); Grey/Green 2019 Ninja 400 ABS Posts: 238

October 24th, 2013, 09:17 AM	#40
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	Commute? I'm not sure I know of this concept. Why and where do you do this commute thing? __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

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