Dragging toe sliders ?

[capriccio]

Alright. So I did my 3rd trackday last Friday. I still have stock handle bar and foot pegs. My knees haven't touched the ground yet (well, except that time when I low side in April ), but I scraped my toe sliders couple times last trackday. Do I need to change that rearsets ASAP ? I fear that if I lean more, my whole body will touch the ground. Thought ?


And a mandatory picture (this was back in June)
And Yes, I'm still pathetically slow

[tooblekain]

Where are your feet in relation to the pegs?

I bet you have your arches resting on the footpegs.

You need to place the footpeg under the balls of your feet or the crease between your toes and the balls of your feet.

EDIT: Here's a picture of how my feet are. Notice that the pegs are under the balls of my feet.


Another view from behind:

[capriccio]

Nah. I always try to keep my feet in the position you described. And my feet are not big either.

[tooblekain]

Its hard to see your foot in the picture. But maybe you have your toes pointing outward?

Try bringing your toes pointed inward toward the bike.

If that doesnt help, then fork over $ for rearsets.

[cuong-nutz]

The rearsets on a supersport are already further back and up compared to the ninjette which are lower to to the ground and in line with the rider for an upright riding position. Rearsets or adjusters will help out a lot for the 250. Until then, what you can do is tuck your knee in more and not have it sticking out so much.

[csmith12]

Which side or both?

[cuong-nutz]

Try not to lean so much by pushing your bike more upright or you'll be tearing up toe slider and boot like this guy:
http://youtu.be/rO53e4_riYI?t=1m40s

[alex.s]

from the photo it looks like you are sticking your toes out. maybe dont stick your toes out? rearsets will probably cover up the problem. better body position would cover up the problem too.

[ally99]

I used to have the same problem before I started riding track. I would drag toe, but I learned I my foot positioning was wrong. The ball of your foot should be on the peg. Also, lowering your whole body much lower than you are now seems to put the knee right into position. Trying to drag knee as high as you are sitting wouldn't work very easily. I've learned that when I lower my whole body and head (kiss the mirror or even lower), my knee automatically drags when my corner entry speed is high enough.

[capriccio]

I guess my body position must be bad. Cuong, from that video, I think I did the same thing as you did.

csmith12: I only did it on the left side, at the same turn.
all: so I guess with good body position, the stock rearsets will be OK. Knee dragging is OK too. Right ?

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by capriccio

csmith12: I only did it on the left side, at the same turn.
all: so I guess with good body position, the stock rearsets will be OK. Knee dragging is OK too. Right ?

I asked about which side because I used to be lazy and not get my feet on the pegs high enough after shifting, so I thought I would throw it out there for something to think about.

And yea, better body position will lead to not dragging a toe or any other hard parts. For example, here I am rockin a bone stock ninjette;



Eventually your overall pace and corner speed will have your lean angle beyond your knee out and you will find yourself pulling your knee back in. "Touch and go" FTW! But you will eventually need rearsets and other mods to keep hard parts from dragging as your skill increases.

[csmith12]

oh, your pic is cool too!

[cbinker]

two words:

BODY POSITION

this is me on my ZX6R pushing 100mph:

this is me on my 250R going into the same corner, the bike is not capable of 100mph in the photo, but i was only 5 seconds slower on my 250R then my ZX6R:

I dont know if I will have a photographer in 3 weeks for my track day, but i will have my 250R with the current updates. along with my ZX6R. I will for sure update the comparison of lap times between the bikes.

[smokinsingle]

Originally Posted by alex.s

from the photo it looks like you are sticking your toes out. maybe dont stick your toes out? rearsets will probably cover up the problem. better body position would cover up the problem too.

+1

[ally99]

Originally Posted by capriccio

csmith12: I only did it on the left side, at the same turn.
all: so I guess with good body position, the stock rearsets will be OK. Knee dragging is OK too. Right ?

I currently have stock rearsets and they're working out just fine. I did have to take my feelers off the pegs though.

Originally Posted by csmith12

Hot picture, Chris!

[cuong-nutz]

Great examples guys!

[Gurk]

Buying rear sets is not a solution. Sliding toes is just bad form.
I did it last track day. I normally don't do it at all. I didn't lean more or anything. So it was obviously just my bad form at that instant.

Just focus on it next time and adjust it accordingly. Should be fine.


EDIT : Maybe it's diff in ninjette though. that i don't know.

[Havok]

I drag mine on the 250 as well. I have a habit of turning my toes out. Lots of people do it, kind of why they have sliders on the boots. Depending on the boots you have you can get magnesium sliders that will last you longer then the plastic ones. Last track day I went through a set of plastic ones on my A*s, I have stock rearsets as well.

It's hard to compare dragging a toe on like an r-6 or other supersport to the 250. The 250 stock set is low and fairly forward. After market rearsets would definatly help though.

[ally99]

Originally Posted by Havok

The 250 stock set is low and fairly forward. After market rearsets would definatly help though.

Good form would help better. Stock pegs are fine if body position is right.

[Havok]

Originally Posted by ally99

Good form would help better. Stock pegs are fine if body position is right.

In a size 11 boot turning your toes out just a little will cause them to drag, worse on some of the turns where the track comes up to you as well. I always forget if that is off camber or not lol.

[sharky nrk]

Originally Posted by ally99

Good form would help better. Stock pegs are fine if body position is right.

Until you drag pegs lol

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Eventually your overall pace and corner speed will have your lean angle beyond your knee out and you will find yourself pulling your knee back in. "Touch and go" FTW! But you will eventually need rearsets and other mods to keep hard parts from dragging as your skill increases.

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

Until you drag pegs lol

word

[Rexbo]

ask aschika on the forums here... he managed to wear through the titanium toe sliders on his dainese boots, hell if I know how he gets that lean angle. If my toes touch I know I'm close to crashing the bike!

[Old Lemon]

put some flint or something on ur sliders so when you drag your toe sparks come out! like that one razor scooter

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by Havok

In a size 11 boot turning your toes out just a little will cause them to drag, worse on some of the turns where the track comes up to you as well. I always forget if that is off camber or not lol.

I wear size 12, and my toes dont touch down anymore.

Originally Posted by sharky nrk

Until you drag pegs lol

My pegs are pretty worn.

Originally Posted by Old Lemon

put some flint or something on ur sliders so when you drag your toe sparks come out! like that one razor scooter

Sparks fly anyways with metal dragging, my teacher told me so.