June 8th, 2016, 11:02 AM | #1 |
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Remove or disable the slipper clutch?
I have a weird and longstanding apprehension about asking, but I'm very curious: can the slipper clutch in the Ninja 300 be disabled or replaced with a non-slipper version? If so (as I imagine to be the case), what would that procedure entail?
We can have a long discussion about why I'd want to...perhaps in another thread...but that doesn't actually address the question at hand.
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June 8th, 2016, 12:03 PM | #2 |
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You can ship it to me if you take it out. I want to try to put one in my pregen.
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June 8th, 2016, 12:18 PM | #3 |
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Not sure. As I understand it, it's not a traditional slipper; it's a full system that has slip capability, along with easy clutch pull as an additional feature.
http://www.kawasaki.eu/en/about_kawa...BZXVlbWVteUVla
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June 8th, 2016, 12:21 PM | #4 |
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its a self servo hook and ball slipper.
i'm going to ask the question here, not another thread. why would anyone ever want it gone?
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June 8th, 2016, 01:02 PM | #5 |
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I gone guess> Trying to learn to bleep and not getting feedback to know if doing it right?
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June 8th, 2016, 02:40 PM | #6 |
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You have to replace the entire assembly.
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June 8th, 2016, 03:03 PM | #7 |
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Any idea if the 250's assembly would work? I'm sure I'm skipping lots of important detail, but I'm not under the impression that the two engines are massively different.
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June 8th, 2016, 03:14 PM | #8 |
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It LOOKS like the gear drive off the back for the oil pump is the same, which would lead one to think the baskets and other parts could be swapped. I need to do some part number digging to confirm.
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June 8th, 2016, 04:05 PM | #10 |
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I actually have a newgen assembly...
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but really.... why?
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Bonding the halves together does sound like a solution, though not a tremendously appealing one at first glance.
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June 8th, 2016, 05:53 PM | #13 | |
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June 9th, 2016, 06:55 AM | #15 | |
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You may never understand as was suggested but Rojoracing53's thread - Brake, throttle and clutch control skills covers it quite well. Choice excerpt (which you should read in its original context so it conveys what the author intended):
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June 9th, 2016, 07:15 AM | #16 |
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The new gen 250's parts hsould fit. I replaced a pre-gen clutch with a new gen one.
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For more information on this, why dont you check out @cuong_nutz thread on the 250 v 300 engine |
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The superbikes and maybe the 600 classes of today use speed shifts on both up and down shifts which require you to not blip the throttle and just shift letting the electronics do all the work. Any extra rider input only confuses the system. |
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June 19th, 2016, 12:15 AM | #20 |
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Over the past year, I don't blip anymore. None of the fast guys do it. And it doesn't matter slipper clutch or not. I use the clutch to steer the bike into a corner.
Blipping takes away ever so slightly from braking force. Instead of blipping I just know how many gears I'm going to downshift. Get on the front brake and then get into the gear j want and slowly let out the clutch. If I want to rotate the bike I use the clutch to slide the rear at a shallow angle. Like rojo said, it just wastes time. |
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June 21st, 2016, 07:12 AM | #22 | |
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Thanks for the pointer! Link added so other visitors don't have to search. That's a really excellent thread. edit: There's a second version of Cuong's thread here with more recent updates, and more clutch related info. Apparently that's the only part they didn't have available Emphasis added. My limited understanding led me to believe the 300's slipper isn't tunable. If I can't adjust it to suit me preferences, I'd rather not have it at all. Thus this thread.
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June 21st, 2016, 07:24 AM | #23 | |
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I have to admit that I have not studied the 300 slipper, but there is really NO way to tune it? Slippers are awesome if tuned right, but to rojo's point, somewhat useless for our bikes. |
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June 21st, 2016, 07:35 AM | #24 |
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I don't think it's tunable, but I don't know. I'm at the bottom of the mechanical knowledge totem pole here.
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June 21st, 2016, 08:02 AM | #25 |
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It's not tuneable. It's a very basic ramp style slipper.
Well, it's not tuneable YET. Replacement of different strength clutch springs could potentially tune it but not to the same degree as other slipper designs.
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