June 29th, 2012, 07:41 AM | #41 | |
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June 29th, 2012, 07:43 AM | #42 |
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June 29th, 2012, 07:59 AM | #43 |
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You hit the nail right on the head! Police used to be part of the community, respected / assisted Now they are alienated from the general public. My biggest problem is when police think they are above the law! People are drawing to many lines in the sand and picking to many sides. If we made a list of what both people did wrong in the video it would go on and on. |
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June 29th, 2012, 10:03 AM | #44 | |
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June 29th, 2012, 10:16 AM | #45 |
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As an LEO crap like this pisses me off.
The arrest is questionable and will probably be tossed out. The camera may contain evidence but there is a proper way to obtain it by use of a search warrant or voluntary consent. Even with the dash cam it shows the bikers being @sshats with possible transfer of contraband, along with careless/reckless driving. The cop and biker were both being dicks to each other which only aggravated the situation. |
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June 29th, 2012, 12:49 PM | #47 |
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June 29th, 2012, 01:17 PM | #48 |
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The second officer's face looks annoying smirking...
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June 29th, 2012, 01:47 PM | #49 | |
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June 29th, 2012, 02:32 PM | #50 |
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I didn't see the biker that was pulled over perform a single morally questionable action... not in his own footage or in the police dash cam footage (which didn't show him!). I think he could've more intelligently dealt with that doggy cop though.
If there was a bear in your camping spot eating your food, you wouldn't get in the bears face and shout "THIS IS BS MAN: WTF ARE YOU DOING IN MY AREA!" at the bear. It's a powerful animal which holds great potential to harm you. Same thing with that cop: powerful animal which holds great potential to harm you. |
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June 29th, 2012, 02:49 PM | #51 | |
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June 29th, 2012, 04:04 PM | #52 |
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I believe the officers may well have been within his rights to confiscate the camera if he had reason to believe it had recorded a crime. There is a procedure for doing this as stated earlier but the officer may temporarily circumvent these procedures due to "exigent" circumstances. (Cops love that word, exigent. It's in all there manuals) The fact that if the officer does not take possession of the evidence now it could too easily be erased/destroyed.
Had he taken the camera and just drove off the evidence would have been suppressed by any judge. But i am pretty sure he could take possession of the evidence and stay "on scene" with the camera owner while radioing in to get a warrant, which he would have gotten. Do I think this is right? .... That's a tough call due to both parties acting like assholes.
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June 29th, 2012, 04:23 PM | #53 | |
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August 16th, 2012, 11:24 AM | #55 |
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i think everyone in the video is an idiot.
wheres that merge button i always see Alex using...
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August 16th, 2012, 11:37 AM | #57 |
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Like I needed another reason to hate cops.
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August 16th, 2012, 11:42 AM | #58 |
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well the way those bikers make the legit bikers look bad. Even if they were all breaking the law it doesn't mean he had the right to pull him over just because he had a camera. He then arrest him for the license plate and then changes his story about pulling him over for the plate and not just because he had the camera.
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August 16th, 2012, 11:51 AM | #59 |
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this is not the full story. they have the camera man doing stupid **** earlier on dash cam
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August 16th, 2012, 11:54 AM | #60 |
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That wasn't him it was another guy they used that clip to try to give the cop a reason to take his camera footage. They didn't stop him for another 15 minutes after the dash cam footage. He wasn't a part of the group ride, actually he was going below the speed limit.
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August 16th, 2012, 11:58 AM | #61 |
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what exactly do you expect? if you ride with a bunch of idiots you get lumped in. dont ride with idiots and you wont get trouble
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August 16th, 2012, 12:11 PM | #62 |
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WOOOOOOOOOOOW. arrested for a license plate.
Link to original page on YouTube. |
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August 18th, 2012, 04:48 PM | #64 |
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August 18th, 2012, 06:36 PM | #65 |
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"dont u have to have a warrant for that kind of evidence?" "..........."
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August 19th, 2012, 05:22 AM | #66 | |
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As I've pointed out repeatedly, he was not "with" them. It was not a group. The entire city of bikers was off work and out for a ride that day as part of a yearly rally. This is why trying to justify this with videos of other bikers is only further infuriating. Of course someone, somewhere in the city was mis-behaving. What you are saying is like saying "Don't go to Sturgis or Daytona Bike Week because there are a few idiots there and you might get arrested for their actions." It's ludicrous. Even if it were a smaller group: I guess you disapprove of the Ninjette Rally just because someone might do something the others and the police don't approve of and it would justify anything the police may want to do to anyone "stupid" enough to attend the rally. |
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August 19th, 2012, 12:35 PM | #67 |
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you are completely correct, jet. i think riding in large groups with people you don't know is pointless (outside of charity and memorial) and dangerous. if a bunch of bikers came up behind me being chased by cops, you are completely correct- i would GTFO the freeway and away from the OBVIOUS danger. if i knew there was going to be that much **** where i was going, i either wouldn't go there, or i wouldn't ride a bike there.
you can't tell me the guy didn't expect crazy **** to be happening. its like being in a riot. "i wasn't with them! i was simply standing here minding my own business while everyone around me was looting and pillaging" ... OK! this is kinda a problem that i have with most motorcyclists. they think they are a car. they think that they can be idle and mind their own business, and if they just follow the laws nothing will happen. that's not how motorcycles work. you need to be proactive in your own safety. dont be idle, either be defense (gtfo) or offensive (gtfo faster)
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August 19th, 2012, 04:55 PM | #68 |
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thats discriminatory,
if they don't have evidence of the individual wrongdoing, then they shouldn't be singling everyone out. that version of logic is similar to a witch hunt...
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August 21st, 2012, 06:00 AM | #69 | |
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Thought process: It's warm outside and I happen to be off of work with nothing else to do. It's a good day for a ride, which is an independent thought I had on my own. Also, most places are closed because it's a holiday, so there isn't much else to do. Which holiday is it? Oh yeah: Memorial Day. Well, forget that idea then! A couple years ago people noticed how popular riding was on this day of the year it kinda became an unofficial rally. There's nothing wrong with that, but last year some people misbehaved for the first time ever and this year the police will be cracking down on it. As a law abiding citizen, I should not be discouraged into sacrificing my holiday just because they are doing this. On the contrary: I should be encouraged because they are fixing the only problem I had with riding on this day. Unfortunately, as much as I want to legally enjoy my motorcycle on this particular day with these stronger-than-usual incentives, I can't because I might wrongly be associated with those people because of the number of wheels beneath me. Fair or not, I'm going to give up the only nice riding day I may have for a long time just because a few more people started riding in recent years. Maybe I see it differently because I didn't have a car for four years, had to work every Memorial Day, and would have been pretty angry if I got caught up in this mess just because I had ride to work on two wheels. Also, may I point out that the thing that happened to him was not "safety" related? This isn't about being safe, unsafe, or being proactive in safety. The problem is not that he thought he was like any other car on the road, but that he really was legally like any other car on the road and yet he was unfairly treated differently anyway. |
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August 21st, 2012, 06:16 AM | #70 | |
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On the other hand, I learned years ago that, for example, nothing good goes on after 9pm and I know that I'm much more likely to get hit by a drunk at 2 or 3am, so I avoid going out during those hours. It may be your right to toole down the highway on memorial day, but it may not be prudent.
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August 21st, 2012, 06:21 AM | #71 |
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August 21st, 2012, 11:30 AM | #72 |
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you guys make me laugh.
jet, i wasnt talking about avoiding the bikers. i was talking about avoiding the cops.
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