Pre-Gen AreaP or Danmoto slip-on for 2010 ninja

radi4fun · April 9th, 2013, 08:05 PM

Hey guys, i have an opportunity to get a pre-gen ApeaP 18" Stainless Steel muffler only that is a little dinged up for about the same price as a new Danmoto GP slip-on.

I can't decide witch one I want. I was wondering if the headers on the 2010 are the same size as the pre-gen ninja's so that the old AreaP slip on will fit the new gen headers. I had called up AreaP and just the headers alone are very expensive so for now i'm not going to spend extra $300 on just the headers. I'd rather buy a new set of pirelli diablo rosso II.

I know that the slip-on alone will not give any performance upgrades, so for now I have shimmed my cabs with 2 washers and removed the snorkel.

In the future I do want to get a full exhaust setup so I was thinking of just buying the Tyga headers http://tyga-performance.com/site/pro...oducts_id=1781 and using them with either the Danmoto GP or the old AreaP

I know a lot of people dislike the Danmoto due to it being too loud, I my self don't mind the loudness as i usually don't ever go past 6K RPM when i'm on the street. I will usually shift at 5K because the bike actually has power in the low end after shimming the needles and removing the snorkel, but will the Danmoto with aftermarket headers would just be ridiculously loud where it would be same as riding the bike with no exhaust on?

choneofakind · April 9th, 2013, 09:59 PM

Area P made full systems for the pregen. Also, a pregen full system will not work on an 08-12 bike.

radi4fun · April 9th, 2013, 10:51 PM

Yeah I figured the full system would not work but what about just the muffler though? AreaP pre-gen muffler on stock new-gen headers? Is that even possible w/out welding the two together?

choneofakind · April 9th, 2013, 11:01 PM

Doubt it.

radi4fun · April 9th, 2013, 11:40 PM

Darn. I guess no Areap for me then

just curious, does full system like Tyga really make that much of a difference? The claimed 4.2hp increase on our little tiny bikes, is it really worth it? I mean, can you really FEEL the difference in power?

choneofakind · April 10th, 2013, 06:30 AM

Yes. A slip-on does virtually nothing performance-wise. The full system does make a noticeable difference. It won't be a rocket ship because it's a 250, but it will respond quicker and have a little more power.

csmith12 · April 10th, 2013, 06:37 AM

You sure chone? I would think the Area-p can could be mounted up on any headers/midpipe with the right adapter, mounted up with good clearance and tuned as needed. I am thinking it would take some fab work but possible. You know more about tuning than I do, am I missing something?

On the full system, chone is right. You WILL feel it if it's tuned well. Is it really worth it? That would be up to you. I just paid 6 hundo for that feeling and I think it was worth every penny.

choneofakind · April 10th, 2013, 06:44 AM

I mean anything can be done. If you really want the Area P can, go for it. You'd have to make that mid-pipe yourself to connect the can with the end of the headers.

In the end, it would likely be cheaper to just get the Area P system for cheap, sell it on here to someone who wants it, then buy a slip-on for a newgen.

csmith12 · April 10th, 2013, 06:54 AM

More info for you guys...

I just happen to have both exhausts just sitting around. hahahahah Here is what your up against.

So yea, I am with chone on this. Pipe size differences, angle differences, mounting differences. You would have to cut the stock headers to get the length right and fab a midpipe with the proper angles to get everything to clear moving parts. I would guess it would be cheaper to just buy the proper header from Area-p at that point.

radi4fun · April 10th, 2013, 08:16 AM

The muffler that i was thinking of getting does not have the mid-pipe. This is the attached picture of it. i was just thinking of sliding it over the end of the mid-pipe on the stock exhaust w/out welding an adapter or something to it.

April 9th, 2013, 08:05 PM	#1
radi4fun ninjette.org member Name: Andy Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Red Ninja 250R Posts: 75	Pre-Gen AreaP or Danmoto slip-on for 2010 ninja Hey guys, i have an opportunity to get a pre-gen ApeaP 18" Stainless Steel muffler only that is a little dinged up for about the same price as a new Danmoto GP slip-on. I can't decide witch one I want. I was wondering if the headers on the 2010 are the same size as the pre-gen ninja's so that the old AreaP slip on will fit the new gen headers. I had called up AreaP and just the headers alone are very expensive so for now i'm not going to spend extra $300 on just the headers. I'd rather buy a new set of pirelli diablo rosso II. I know that the slip-on alone will not give any performance upgrades, so for now I have shimmed my cabs with 2 washers and removed the snorkel. In the future I do want to get a full exhaust setup so I was thinking of just buying the Tyga headers http://tyga-performance.com/site/pro...oducts_id=1781 and using them with either the Danmoto GP or the old AreaP I know a lot of people dislike the Danmoto due to it being too loud, I my self don't mind the loudness as i usually don't ever go past 6K RPM when i'm on the street. I will usually shift at 5K because the bike actually has power in the low end after shimming the needles and removing the snorkel, but will the Danmoto with aftermarket headers would just be ridiculously loud where it would be same as riding the bike with no exhaust on?

April 10th, 2013, 06:37 AM	#7
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	You sure chone? I would think the Area-p can could be mounted up on any headers/midpipe with the right adapter, mounted up with good clearance and tuned as needed. I am thinking it would take some fab work but possible. You know more about tuning than I do, am I missing something? On the full system, chone is right. You WILL feel it if it's tuned well. Is it really worth it? That would be up to you. I just paid 6 hundo for that feeling and I think it was worth every penny. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

April 10th, 2013, 06:54 AM	#9
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	More info for you guys... I just happen to have both exhausts just sitting around. hahahahah Here is what your up against. So yea, I am with chone on this. Pipe size differences, angle differences, mounting differences. You would have to cut the stock headers to get the length right and fab a midpipe with the proper angles to get everything to clear moving parts. I would guess it would be cheaper to just buy the proper header from Area-p at that point. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
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April 9th, 2013, 09:59 PM	#2
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Area P made full systems for the pregen. Also, a pregen full system will not work on an 08-12 bike.

April 9th, 2013, 10:51 PM	#3
radi4fun ninjette.org member Name: Andy Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Red Ninja 250R Posts: 75	Yeah I figured the full system would not work but what about just the muffler though? AreaP pre-gen muffler on stock new-gen headers? Is that even possible w/out welding the two together?

April 9th, 2013, 11:01 PM	#4
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Doubt it.

April 9th, 2013, 11:40 PM	#5
radi4fun ninjette.org member Name: Andy Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Red Ninja 250R Posts: 75	Darn. I guess no Areap for me then just curious, does full system like Tyga really make that much of a difference? The claimed 4.2hp increase on our little tiny bikes, is it really worth it? I mean, can you really FEEL the difference in power?

April 10th, 2013, 06:30 AM	#6
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Yes. A slip-on does virtually nothing performance-wise. The full system does make a noticeable difference. It won't be a rocket ship because it's a 250, but it will respond quicker and have a little more power.

April 10th, 2013, 06:44 AM	#8
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I mean anything can be done. If you really want the Area P can, go for it. You'd have to make that mid-pipe yourself to connect the can with the end of the headers. In the end, it would likely be cheaper to just get the Area P system for cheap, sell it on here to someone who wants it, then buy a slip-on for a newgen.

April 10th, 2013, 08:16 AM	#10
radi4fun ninjette.org member Name: Andy Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Red Ninja 250R Posts: 75	The muffler that i was thinking of getting does not have the mid-pipe. This is the attached picture of it. i was just thinking of sliding it over the end of the mid-pipe on the stock exhaust w/out welding an adapter or something to it.