January 30th, 2013, 11:32 AM | #1 |
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I am practicing on a learner permit. I was on the right hand side of the street and needed to be in the left to make a left turn. In the middle of the right and left lanes, there was a set of metro tracks which I tried crossing over. My bike wobbled over the slippery tracks and I went down on my left hand side. I was wearing a leather jacket with leather guards, my helmet, and leather gloves. I had a scrape on my knees and some bruising from going down.
Now on to the bike, my gear shifter was bent on, which luckily a neighbor helped me bend back on. My fairings have scratches like some from the other pictures and my left front turn signal was gone. My question is do I bother replacing the fairing on a 2010 250r blue which I'm having trouble finding for in this color or put frame sliders on? I have ordered an OEM replacement left front turn signal already. Some friends had suggested getting flush mount turn signals because "it looks cool". One particular friend's suggestion stuck out to me and that was not to get flush mounts because they are not visible, especially if I'm a new rider. I'm all about safety and know this is a dangerous, but good way of transportation. Let me know what you think |
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January 30th, 2013, 11:58 AM | #2 | |
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January 30th, 2013, 12:01 PM | #3 |
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In my opinion flush mounts have great visibility from the side but not the front. If you go flush mounts maybe try mirrors with intergrated blinkers.
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January 30th, 2013, 12:10 PM | #4 |
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Frame sliders
Do you think frame sliders would be a good investment? Right side is fine, but *knock on wood* wouldn't like this to happen again.
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January 30th, 2013, 12:21 PM | #5 |
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Frame sliders are always a good investment for new riders, or any rider for that matter if you want to minimize damage in the event of a lay down or slide.
That being said, do some shopping around and see which ones you think are the best bang for your buck. T-rex and shogun are two good brands I know people have used. As far as replacing the fairing, unless it's cracked don't replace it yet. If you intend to sell or trade in the bike within a year it won't be worth it to make it look slightly more AESTHETICALLY pleasing. But if you intend to keep your ninja 250 then replacing it might not be a bad idea depending on the amount of damage ( pictures would help! ). There are some alternative to replacing such as stickers (if you are into that sort of thing), vinyl wraps, touch up, or even trying to repaint it. I don't recommend the last one though. |
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January 30th, 2013, 12:25 PM | #6 |
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Not to be pessimistic but if you've already go down going over tracks then chances are one of the hundreds of other hazards out there for motorcyclist will catch you off guard and you'll be thankful you had on frame sliders.
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January 30th, 2013, 12:28 PM | #7 |
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Also I forgot to ask. When you crossed the tracks were you perpendicular as you could be, any lean angle, etc?
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January 30th, 2013, 01:23 PM | #8 |
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Since it wasn't said yet... how about take an MSF? Don't bother replacing the fairing, it's just looks. Maybe later on replace them, but right now, I don't think I would.
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January 30th, 2013, 01:55 PM | #9 |
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Oh yeah, I didn't catch that. I saw learner's and thought it was Europe or something since they have a tiered system for motorcycle licenses. Not sure how it works in his neck of the woods, but here in FL we just take the MSF after we have a license and they add "Motorcycles Also" to the bottom of our card and that's that, no learner license.
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January 30th, 2013, 02:23 PM | #10 |
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I have taken the written test and passed that. I've taken some private lessons in a parking lot, similar to the MSF. I'm planning on taking the MSF, but wanted some extra practice. The learner's permit lets you practice in the day with restrictions such as no passengers and only during the day.
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January 30th, 2013, 02:24 PM | #11 |
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I was crossing at a 45 degree angle as stated in the motorcycle's handbook. I just felt it wobble underneath me and I went down
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January 30th, 2013, 02:40 PM | #12 |
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I would definately suggest the sliders (I have the shogun ones) the dealer threw them in with the bike, but couldn't install them until two days after I took the bike home. Guess who dropped her bike in those two days? Yup... Anyway, I dropped it one more time when the sliders were on and they worked perfectly.
I've only had one more instance where the bike almost fell but this time I had learned how to catch it and bring it back up (although I pulled my back doing so, my bike weights almost 4x my weight) it might have been better to just set it down and pick it up at a better angle. But anyway, even if you think you won't drop your bike again (you will) your paying for the peace of mind that it won't damage your bike any further. |
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January 30th, 2013, 03:04 PM | #13 |
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Welcome Brandon!
Bummer about crashing and hope you get everything sorted to your liking. Ride safe!
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January 30th, 2013, 05:47 PM | #14 |
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Just FYI, frame sliders move the impact of a crash from the fairings to the frame and engine.
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January 30th, 2013, 05:48 PM | #15 |
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Okay so that is true. That's what I thought. With that in mind, why the hell would anyone want these?
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January 30th, 2013, 06:35 PM | #16 |
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Personally I stayed away from flush mounts for visibility reasons. I ended up using custom LED signals that mount up in the same spots as the stock signals but they don't stick out quite as far, but they're extremely bright and look sick. It's really personal preference.
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January 30th, 2013, 06:37 PM | #17 |
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If you fall over in your driveway sliders will help you get away with minimal damage. High speed not so much
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January 30th, 2013, 06:38 PM | #18 |
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May I recommend you look over this site. I read just about every tip on here I could before I got brought my bike home. I found it very useful. Of course, I'll give full credit to mr @Motofool
http://www.msgroup.org/articles.aspx
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January 30th, 2013, 06:40 PM | #19 | |
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Wait, that pretty much describes the modern human race never mind.
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January 30th, 2013, 06:42 PM | #20 |
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I had sliders on my first bike. They scratched my engine when I crashed
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January 30th, 2013, 11:06 PM | #21 | |
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I wouldn't cross those tracks at any angle other than perpendicular, especially if they are not level with the street and the front tire can get caught in that trap (making the bike change direction and falling over).
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January 30th, 2013, 11:08 PM | #22 | |
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January 31st, 2013, 09:56 AM | #23 | |
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I have a set of shoguns on my shelf waiting for me to not be lazy. I will put them on soon enough and take them off when i go to the track. The main thought is that on the track if you low side your bike will generally just keep sliding away, with frame sliders it has a chance to dig into the grass/dirt and flip the bike. |
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January 31st, 2013, 10:07 AM | #24 | |
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So long story short, railroad = perpendicular if you can, if not and you aren't being pushed on time try taking a side road around it instead of risking yourself and your bike. If it can't be helped and you can to take the track at an angle try going a bit slow and get it as perpendicular as possible anyway, don't pay attention to anyone behind you. they know you're on a bike and if they don't realize what you're doing they'll figure it out after you start riding normal once you go over it. |
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January 31st, 2013, 11:39 AM | #25 | |
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I got my MSF for free since I'm military and I understand that not everyone can afford it but if it's something you're planning on doing, I recommend doing it asap.
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January 31st, 2013, 03:52 PM | #26 |
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Read these articles:
http://www.soundrider.com/archive/sa...t_problems.htm http://www.soundrider.com/archive/de...ategory=skills
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January 31st, 2013, 05:24 PM | #27 | |
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Thinking this would be the minimal angle you would want to cross, and this would be if Tracks were parallel with direction of traffic. If tracks are at any angle to direction of traffic crossing at an angle greater than 45 degrees should be possible and preferred. Idealistically as people mentioned crossing perpendicular (90 degree angle) is best case scenario but not always possible. Have the bike straight up and down when crossing is a good idea as well. Once throttle control is gained, a good crossing angle and a little bit of a blip along with rearward weight distribution can lighten the front end slightly and make crossing angled obstacles less of a hazard. Take extra precaution when things are wet, it is possible for the rear to get hung up and slip as well if there is a height difference on obstacle and you are giving throttle while rear is going over obstacle. Keep riding, you only get better, live and learn. |
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February 1st, 2013, 12:40 AM | #28 |
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I think for frame sliders it is actually dropping Is bad because it is blunt force and sliding is the best in case of lowside.
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February 1st, 2013, 01:09 AM | #29 |
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Apparently bikes fall slower when they are moving
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February 1st, 2013, 01:30 AM | #30 |
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when you low side your angle gets low then the frame slider hooks then slides like it should. Its like if you punch something if its a dead on hit its stronger then if your graze.
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February 1st, 2013, 06:38 AM | #31 |
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I think what Jiggles is trying to say is that gravity doesn't change because it's sliding or falling from a stand still. It's still going to hit at the same speed roughly, thus at the same impact strength, give or take.
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February 1st, 2013, 07:21 AM | #32 | |
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the force will be different in most low sides because you are already leaned over. The distance the bike falls before the frame sliders make contact is less. Less time for acceleration means less force. But, i agree with Jiggs and Falcor, For starters odds of you just straight up dropping the bike from full upright and not trying to catch it or lessen the force at all are not very good, normally you are on the bike...and try to impede the drop, not always i guess. And once you hit the ground in a low side, even 30mph, now you have the actual force in the y (gravity) direction in addition to the force from moving, now you have 2 things to worry about. If the slider hits anything, or gets hung up on anything it is all going straight to the frame, bending who knows what. Sliders are not cheap either, would rather spend my money on something else personally. |
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February 2nd, 2013, 12:16 AM | #33 |
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Sorry to hear about this OP - nearly went down on the muni tracks as well but on a bicycle...fell into the rut and the tracks were super slippery.
This vid was on (BARF) a few months back, don't know if you've seen it before. Poster of the vid said frame sliders helped them in the comments. Good bit of discussion on it in the above posts |
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February 2nd, 2013, 07:18 AM | #34 |
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Sorry to hear about the accident. As for flush mounts, they look cool, but they seem quite expensive for good ones and aren't nearly as visible as the stock signals.
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