NYST Crash - Too hot at Turn 1

nickjpass · January 11th, 2015, 01:03 PM

The bike he hit was the tracks bike.

nickjpass · January 11th, 2015, 01:07 PM

From my short experience at the track, I learned that the turn one is infamous for this. A lot of riders find they are braking too early (I did this too) and try to brake the next lap too late. If you don't run off, you risk running to wide, and then you'll be on the off camber, where you can possibly lowside or run ever wider, off the track.

Turn one is unique because the fast line, isn't entering the corner at the widest point

nickjpass · January 11th, 2015, 01:13 PM

A perfect example of entering the corner too wide.

Link to original page on YouTube.

JohnnyBravo · August 26th, 2016, 10:18 PM

Duuuuuude

nickjpass · August 26th, 2016, 10:45 PM

Ahhh, turn one haha I've seen the worst there.

JohnnyBravo · August 26th, 2016, 11:12 PM

Least dude he hit kept it up. Looked like he got his bell rung bouncing his head on the pavement

nickjpass · August 26th, 2016, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Least dude he hit kept it up. Looked like he got his bell rung bouncing his head on the pavement

I think that was chad. Might be wrong.

JohnnyBravo · August 26th, 2016, 11:30 PM

Is he from Florida??? Hanging chad hahahahaha

shift957 · August 27th, 2016, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

The bike he hit was the tracks bike.

Link to original page on YouTube.

So I've only ridden NYST going "Downtown" or clockwise. Watching the video, it seems to me the rider that got hit was changing his line in a braking zone, which shut the door on the rider coming up the inside. Judging by how much more straight there was before the corner actually started, the Duc would have made it just fine had the guy not shut the door on him.

At morning meetings before the track day starts, I sometimes announce this exact situation, asking riders to hold their line going into braking zones. Why? Because how much steering can you do under maximum braking? NONE. Changing your line in a braking zone is NOT being predictable. As a coach riding in all groups, I see it mostly in beginner groups, but sometimes even in advanced groups.

shift957 · August 27th, 2016, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

A perfect example of entering the corner too wide.

(/snip video)

Even better example of brakes causing a low side when leaned over in off camber. Probably would have been fine and just blown the corner if he hadn't touched the front brake. Bummer!

csmith12 · August 27th, 2016, 10:43 AM

Another coach's perspective...

This is a good example of a little patience going a long way.

I count 5 bikes ahead of him before the corner. There was no way the rider was getting around them all, so you "expect" everyone to just fall/merge in line nicely. That always doesn't happen, so for a track day, it's a bit aggressive for passing and should be frowned upon. If you catch someone, it's because your faster. Wait for a cleaner pass, track days aren't race days.

Skip a corner to save a session
Skip a session to save a day
Skip a day to save a season

Pretty simple stuff, just use your head. Rotten luck though...

nickjpass · August 27th, 2016, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shift957

Even better example of brakes causing a low side when leaned over in off camber. Probably would have been fine and just blown the corner if he hadn't touched the front brake. Bummer!

Plenty of run off there for the speed he was traveling at. I've seen so many wrecks there because people try to save the corner after running in hot. It's not a race. Just run off and hope for the best.

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Another coach's perspective...

This is a good example of a little patience going a long way.

Skip a corner to save a session
Skip a session to save a day
Skip a day to save a season

Agreed. I'm a very cautious person on the track. That's why it's taking me so long to get "fast".

January 11th, 2015, 01:03 PM	#1
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	NYST Crash - Too hot at Turn 1 The bike he hit was the tracks bike. Link to original page on YouTube. __________________________________________________
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January 11th, 2015, 01:07 PM	#2
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	From my short experience at the track, I learned that the turn one is infamous for this. A lot of riders find they are braking too early (I did this too) and try to brake the next lap too late. If you don't run off, you risk running to wide, and then you'll be on the off camber, where you can possibly lowside or run ever wider, off the track. Turn one is unique because the fast line, isn't entering the corner at the widest point __________________________________________________
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January 11th, 2015, 01:13 PM	#3
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	A perfect example of entering the corner too wide. Link to original page on YouTube. __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2016, 10:18 PM	#4
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Duuuuuude __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2016, 10:45 PM	#5
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Ahhh, turn one haha I've seen the worst there. __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2016, 11:12 PM	#6
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Least dude he hit kept it up. Looked like he got his bell rung bouncing his head on the pavement __________________________________________________

August 26th, 2016, 11:30 PM	#8
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Is he from Florida??? Hanging chad hahahahaha __________________________________________________

August 27th, 2016, 10:43 AM	#11
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	Another coach's perspective... This is a good example of a little patience going a long way. I count 5 bikes ahead of him before the corner. There was no way the rider was getting around them all, so you "expect" everyone to just fall/merge in line nicely. That always doesn't happen, so for a track day, it's a bit aggressive for passing and should be frowned upon. If you catch someone, it's because your faster. Wait for a cleaner pass, track days aren't race days. Skip a corner to save a session Skip a session to save a day Skip a day to save a season Pretty simple stuff, just use your head. Rotten luck though... __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School
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