"To protect and serve" Pepper with that?

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by csmith12

I would agree with this 100% but.... I challenge you to leave your house, drive 20 miles, enter a shopping mall and return home. There is a 99.9% chance that you will break a law somewhere in there. While the intention and prevention is good, it does go too far in far too many cases.

I definitely agree with this and thought about saying something similar in my last post, but you also have to admit that you're not going to get pulled over or stopped by a police officer for 99.9% of those infractions unless you give the officer some reason to pay particular attention to you.

[csmith12]

Sure, that is why people react the way they do when leo's do dumb stuff like pull you over for superficial stuff, abuse their position or become the judge, jury and executioner like the officer in the video. I don't know everything... but I would bet there is no official training that instructs the officer to blanket pepper spray into freeway traffic. ijs It just makes no sense, does not improve control of the situation, nor offers any increased prevention or protection of all involved. All it does is increase the risk for everyone.

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by allanoue

Right behavior does not justify deadly force, or is this not deadly force?

Pepper spray is not deadly force, even if the motorcycles are riding into it.

I didn't read the fox link, but from what I read elsewhere a bunch of stunters went out goofing off in traffic. People called and complained, the officer stopped the truck that had people filming from the back of the truck, standing up and being unsafe. A bunch of the stunters rode past the officer while he was conducting a traffic stop.

Now tell me, how is one officer going to stop a whole bunch of stunters riding past him?

This was not just a cop standing on the side of the road pepper spraying random motorcyclists as they rode past. This was an officer sent out to investigate and stop illegal activity. Fogging the stunters with pepper spray is a whole lot safer than starting a high speed chase after them.

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by "A"

Having been pulled over by an unmarked VW polizei car in Germany with a co-worker driving I can assure you that European police do have unmarked cars, and contrary to the picture above, most American police cars are marked.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by VaFish

Pepper spray is not deadly force, even if the motorcycles are riding into it.

So you're standing on the edge of a cliff, and I pepper spray you and you fall. Did I use deadly force? So you're riding down the freeway at 55mph, and I pepper spray you and you fall. Did I use deadly force? While the act if spraying is NOT deadly force, the conditions could have resulted much differently. And yes, he had NO specific target so it was 100% random to whoever drove through it... bike or cage.

Either way, he was NOT catching them on foot outside the cruiser and any attempt most likely would result in injury to himself, the rider, a road traveler or any combination thereof.

"Now tell me, how is one officer going to stop a whole bunch of stunters riding past him?" He can't... simple as that.

He did NOT improve the control, safety of the situation or prevent further infractions of law by spraying it either. It was a total waste of time + effort and now has him behind a desk to ensure he handled himself per training guidelines.

EDIT: And now... if he did issue a ticket or make an arrest, they can now challenge it in court easier because he most likely didn't follow procedures. :\

[CaliGrrl]

I'd say he was endangering anybody he sprayed. Open-face helmet? You're now blind and can't control your bike. Even with a full-face, you might catch some.

Not exactly keeping things under control; he'd actually be sending it careening out of control quickly.

[corksil]

Looked pretty rude to me.

[VaFish]

How many bike crashed as a result of his pepper spraying?

From what I can find 0.

The only people that sought treatment were those that got the back spray standing in the back of the truck.

No deadly force, a minor irritant.

[Suki2003]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Let me pose a little argumentum ad absurdum just for poops and giggles; is it OK to fire a gun into a crowd of people if you don't hit anyone?

I will say no, that's not ok. Because I bet those people who were shot at will be angry enough to go to the authorities or their lawyers and say that they were threatened... Thus meaning that there were harmed parties.

When I drive down a empty road at a rate I deem safe then some dude with a gun tells me I owe him money or I'll go to prison, I feel robbed because no one was harmed.

[Brother Michigan]

Wow. Rationalize much?

[tfkrocks]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/For...372004372.html

Five people were treated at the scene for exposure to the spray and one man was taken to the hospital with minor injuries

Looks like it was more than just the people in the truck that were affected by the pepper spray.

["A"]

Originally Posted by VaFish

Having been pulled over by an unmarked VW polizei car in Germany with a co-worker driving I can assure you that European police do have unmarked cars, and contrary to the picture above, most American police cars are marked.

How many American unmarked cars vs marked car?
How many police officers in US vs EU per capita?
How many citizens kill by police in US vs EU per capita?

[Brother Michigan]

How many points are relevant?

["A"]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

How many points are relevant?

If police brutality is a culture in this country, tolerated by justice system and overlooked by citizens who think police brutality are just part of daily lives; then all of them are relevant.

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by "A"

If police brutality is a culture in this country, tolerated by justice system and overlooked by citizens who think police brutality are just part of daily lives; then all of them are relevant.

I meant relevant to this topic in particular. I don't think it is a culture and I don't think it's overlooked. The fact that it gets reported is, I believe, a rare case of the media doing its job.

["A"]

Power corrupt; absolute power corrupt, absolutely.

Any corruption of power/authority should be reported, but too often they are overlooked by those who are meant to serve justice, ignored by the media and tolerated by the masses.

Only in the days of internet, social media, cell phone cameras that these corruptions are becoming more visible to the masses and reported more frequently.

Whether those who are corrupt receive justice is another issue completely.

[allanoue]

Link to original page on YouTube.

too many police have this attitude
too many people are ok with that

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by allanoue

too many police have this attitude
too many people are ok with that

I agree absolutely with this because even one of either is too many, but it's not as widespread as some people would like to think.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

I agree absolutely with this because even one of either is too many, but it's not as widespread as some people would like to think.

They are a minority but way more than one, and I would argue the number of folks who tolerate this attitude may not be a minority by much. Therein lies the real problem.