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Once they kill all the big preditors. And they will. They will be left with jackal , hyena and dogs. When the wild African dog is the top of the food chain. People will not be able to go outside. Imagine 600000 wild dogs in packs of ten to one hundred roming the savanna? I have an African dog. Nothing not even a lion is a match for them. And they live on trash dumps and have large litters multiple times a year.
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August 5th, 2015, 06:05 PM | #42 |
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Yes the ****ing lion story is that tactic that you fell for. Congrats you follow CNN, the typical news station that bends the truth. and no i don't watch any major news network they are all full of **** and run the diversion tactics to keep politicians in control. nice try.
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
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August 5th, 2015, 08:11 PM | #44 |
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it is the typical US media, distract the citizens with stories like this one to avoid what is going on inside our own boarders.
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Jimmy said it best here... at 2:52
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The Media is not responsible for this one. They are days behind the story and don't know what to do with it. Yes ,now they are using it as a distraction. But it is from genuine disgust at the poaching of the lion.
The media is worthless no question
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Extinctions in the last 100 years
Includes many big cats and the Barbary lion http://www.pixable.com/article/heres...s-photos-67674 |
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Since 2000 60 % of the wildlife in Zimbabwe has been poached.
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I'm not talking pure darwinism, I'm talking about the problems that arise from inbreeding, which can be an issue if a dominant male sires the vast majority of offspring in an area for a significant amount of time. That can lead to it's offspring breeding in a consanguineous manner, with the deformaties, poor immune function, decreased fertility & other issues There's a difference. yes genetic variation helps with survival of the fittest, but specific selection pressures can lead to the establishment of mutations that are advantageous in hetrozygous cases but deleterious in homozygous cases, these can be disasterous if inbreeding occurs. For example; DelF508 in the CFTR gene aids in survival during Cholera outbreaks by reducing the loss of fluids, but causes Cystic Fibrosis if both copies have the deletion. People with a hetrozygous c.7 A>T mutation in the B-Globin gene have an increased resistance to malaria, but homozygous mutation causes Sickle Cell Anaemia, increasing the risk of stroke. Spiders, Scorpions, Crabs, Armadilloes, alligators... it's not steel or kevlar, but Chitin is pretty hard |
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What the article should read is "Texan with poor aim shoots rock in the general vicinity of an armadillo and bullet ricochets back into his face."
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Fair enough it's gone on a slight tangent with that, but what I've said is valid for the majority of animal populations. How much time effort & money do zoos spend on their breeding programmes, getting the right animals paired up to avoid inbreeding, if what I was saying was bollox as frugal is claiming they could just throw any male into a group of females & have healthy offspring If I was horiffically cynical I could argue that the scientist from Oxford would obviously argue against his test subject being shot... there goes his main source of data, funding & any chance of getting paper in a higher impact journal Just to restate I don't agree with shooting lions (or anything endangered, unless there's a very good reason), go hunt copious prey animals & eat what you shoot... |
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My point is this was an illegal poaching so your argument is not germane to the discussion.
I do understand your concern for inbreeding, but given the small population it would be much smarter to do as the zoos do and simply trade male lions with other reserves.
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There's no real winning scenario, maybe more photo safari trips, use the funds from that to conserve areas, employ rangers to deter poachers, try to engineer a landscape that will support more of the prey animals to reduce the size of the area needed to support a pride & see if you can release some more bred in semi captivity. But that's pretty much what the game reserve ranchers are doing, they're just tracking and shooting some of them. |
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Lol, I see my armadillo joke was a flop.
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Interesting now reading this thread 2 weeks later...
What really gets under my skin are all these people who are up in arms all of a sudden. This argument died within 2 days. Does anybody still remember Cecil? It's a shallow FOMO culture we live where people who don't know squat about an issue have an opinion and decide to subscribe to the collective cyber bullying... It doesn't matter to me which side of the issue you are on, if you're not still giving to the WWF and IAPF or it's equivalents, you have no business having an opinion on it. http://www.iapf.org/ Please keep in mind I grew up in South Africa. I've been very close to this issue since childhood. My mom, bless her soul taught me to respect all animals and such from a very young age, and poaching reports were in our newspapers on a weekly basis. And lest we forget, an animal doesn't have to be endangered to be of value to the world. There are plenty of rescues and shelters who need money and volunteers. No matter how holy you might seem, or how logical your arguments might be, or how cool you might feel jumping in on the cyber bullying gang back, if you don't support the cause, you're part of the problem. Don't get me started on hot dogs and Whole Foods.
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On a happier note... her 3 babies are doing just fine with bottle feeding. Little rascals are noisy as hell, climbing my window curtains and generally wreaking havoc in the dogs lives, but the kids laugh their arses off at them. I will see if I can snap a pic or vid of them if I am fast enough. I am told I need to build an 8ft tall cage with a loft at the top and some branches that lead up to the loft. So they learn to climb, I chuckled at this advice knowing that these little devils can climb anything right now. Little turds were up on top my fridge when I was trying to make dinner the other night howling and growling. I feel if I can't get them back in the wild soon, I will have 3 more pets.
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Venison and moose are good eatin'... Mountain goat, not so much.
I think hunting is fine, but if you kill it you should eat it.
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