oil change disaster....help!!!!

Garrison14 · July 7th, 2014, 10:21 PM

My wife tryed to take me filter off and completely bent it half....resulting in my ripping it apart piece by piece and its still sealed on there like it was welded....help!!!

curiousrat · July 7th, 2014, 10:52 PM

Can you use a needlenose plier or a regular plier and work it carefully to unscrew the metal casing off?

Oh, and another point. Whatever tool you decide to use, make sure it has a lot of surface area to grip the metal casing. You don't want to tear the rest of it into smaller pieces.

iamjacob · July 7th, 2014, 10:53 PM

Wow.

I'm guessing vice-grips or channel-locks on the remaining flange isn't getting it to turn? Do you think that the filter might have been cross-threaded?

If the vice-grips / channel-locks don't work I would probably try and VERY CAREFULLY cut off the remaining flange and then try vice-grips / channel-locks on the circumference of just the remaining nut portion.

If that doesn't work I would EVEN MORE CAREFULLY try and split the remaining nut part of the filter and pry that off.

May your hands be swift and true.

Bob2010 · July 7th, 2014, 10:56 PM

I don't know what in the actual fck you guys did there. What I would do at this point , would try 2 things. Put a leather ultility glove on and try to turn it by hand. 2nd , try a large flat head screw driver and gently tap the holes on the remaining oil filter in the counter clockwise direction. That should help loosen it

iamjacob · July 7th, 2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob2010

Bob2010 · July 7th, 2014, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iamjacob

Hindsight ? Lol son , I just assumed that was common sense!

Ducati999 · July 8th, 2014, 02:56 AM

+1 on a screw driver and mallet. Make an indent for the screwdriver to get a good bite and gently "hammer" it off. Stop if the metal begins to tear and make another indent. Heat from a small torch (be very careful not to over heat the parts) or hair dryer on the remaining filter part may help. Try not to feat the anything but the filter piece so it will (slightly) expand then try to tap it off with the screwdriver and hammer. Good luck.

ninjamunky85 · July 8th, 2014, 03:49 AM

What did you use to try to get the filter off,.. a hammer?

Kscreations08 · July 8th, 2014, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrison14

My wife tryed to take me filter off

...And what did you learn in school today, son?

lol Just kidding

leed · July 8th, 2014, 04:07 AM

Assuming it's aluminum on the motor end, heat will only make it more difficult to get off. [Aluminum expands faster than steel] If I were you I'd try to find a pin spanner and pull it off that way. Check a bicycle store.

http://www.bikepartsplace.com/discou...er-spa-1c-grn/

I wouldn't suggest using vise grips on the threaded portion of the filter as you will likely not be able to get it off that way without damaging the threads on the motor.

DaBlue1 · July 8th, 2014, 04:40 AM

Get an adjustable pin spanner wrench of some type.

http://www.harborfreight.com/adjusta...nch-36554.html

Garrison14 · July 10th, 2014, 05:54 PM

We started with the filter socket which only stripped the filter, then we tryed the wrench that bent and stripped it, then hammered a stress driver through it and that finished it off.so now ive pulled it apart piece my peice as u can see.I guess the pin pliers are my last hope.the most its budged is a quarter inch.the thread started to bend as well....is that thread bolt replaceable? And where would I find one????

fishdip · July 10th, 2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison14

We started with the filter socket which only stripped the filter, then we tryed the wrench that bent and stripped it, then hammered a stress driver through it and that finished it off.so now ive pulled it apart piece my peice as u can see.I guess the pin pliers are my last hope.the most its budged is a quarter inch.the thread started to bend as well....is that thread bolt replaceable? And where would I find one????

I think you may be ****ed

curiousrat · July 10th, 2014, 11:18 PM

Post another picture so we can get a better idea of where you stand.
From the 1st picture, what is the yellow stuff around the threads?
Have you tried lubing the threads with some engine oil and then turn it? I was thinking some extra lubrication could help.

flitecontrol · July 11th, 2014, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrison14

is that thread bolt replaceable? And where would I find one????

Looks like it's part number 32155 here: http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/oempa...ump-oil-filter Only $8 plus shipping. May be as cheap or cheaper from a Kawasaki dealer. A service manual should cover how to remove and install.

Skullz · July 11th, 2014, 02:38 AM

Hopefully a spanner wrench will be beefy enough to get it loose for you, and if that fails you'll have to get two long pin punches to put in the holes and a screw driver to twist it off.
I prefer to use a wrench that i can slide as close to the base of the filter as i can so i can grip the base, which is extremely strong and less likely to tear apart from someone gorilla griping it while tightening it.

In the event a wrench is unable to twist the filter you will want to back the wrench out on the filter about an inch with someone applying pressure and using a chisel very carefully next to the base and tapping the filter lightly to get a bite so you can get a better blow on it to release the friction the gasket is causing it to bind on the engine.

Rifleman · July 11th, 2014, 05:43 AM

first off, stick something in that oil intake so nothing gets in there, crawls in there.

that way if you have any grinding or what have you, nothing gets into the engine...

THIS IS LITERALLY the last thing between the oil sump and the journal bearings, wrist pins, cam bearings... All the filters and chunk removal is before this point, keep it clean.

Secondly I have an oil filter removal tool at home, it is the BOMB. more you twist, the tighter it grabs... the OEM filter from Dodge (installed at the factory) would not come off. I put this thing on and it crushed the filter, but it came off.

has gears and cams inside, works both ways, lose and tight... and so far it fits everything from a Dodge Dakota to a Honda CBR600

I got it at Farm & Fleet... sorry the pic doesn't show the manufacture, more info as I have it.

InvisiBill · July 11th, 2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rifleman

Secondly I have an oil filter removal tool at home, it is the BOMB. more you twist, the tighter it grabs... the OEM filter from Dodge (installed at the factory) would not come off. I put this thing on and it crushed the filter, but it came off.

has gears and cams inside, works both ways, lose and tight... and so far it fits everything from a Dodge Dakota to a Honda CBR600

I got it at Farm & Fleet... sorry the pic doesn't show the manufacture, more info as I have it.

I bought one of those for my 500's factory-installed filter, and it did nothing. I ended up having to use some big channel-locks and crushing the sides in some.

ninjamunky85 · July 11th, 2014, 11:04 AM

Anytime that I've had an oil filter that was on too tight to remove I've always used the same old trick... I just pound a big screwdriver through the filter, in one side and out the other, and use the extra leverage of the screwdriver to twist it out. Works every time.

LNasty · July 11th, 2014, 11:22 AM

Not sure if you all are doing this, but before installing the new filter always rub some fresh oil on the rubber seal before seating the filter. This will prevent it from seizing up when it is time to change it. I have been doing this on all of my vehicles for years and have never had the the filter stick.

csmith12 · July 11th, 2014, 11:25 AM

^^^^

Whiskey · July 11th, 2014, 11:33 AM

Put a few rubber bands wrapped around the flange on what's left of the filter & use a vice grips to try to work it off. You don't want to catch the threads with the grip, the rubber should improve traction and keep the grips far enough off the threads

Quote:

Originally Posted by LNasty

Not sure if you all are doing this, but before installing the new filter always rub some fresh oil on the rubber seal before seating the filter. This will prevent it from seizing up when it is time to change it. I have been doing this on all of my vehicles for years and have never had the the filter stick.

Yep, says to do that on the box, oil the threads & the O-rings

Skullz · July 11th, 2014, 11:47 AM

Oil on the threads and gasket only work if your the one doing it.

fleemos · July 15th, 2014, 05:29 PM

I would take a sheet metal cutter and cut as far inward as you can go, then try to rip it the rest of the way.

Klondike1020 · July 15th, 2014, 06:10 PM

If you take a long narrow punch you can stick the tip if it firmly against the side of one of the holes and tap it with a mallet counter clock wise.

it should come out easy.

nickjpass · July 15th, 2014, 08:11 PM

Looks worse than it is...

July 7th, 2014, 10:52 PM	#2
curiousrat ninjette.org member Name: rat Location: Co Springs Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: 23	Can you use a needlenose plier or a regular plier and work it carefully to unscrew the metal casing off? Oh, and another point. Whatever tool you decide to use, make sure it has a lot of surface area to grip the metal casing. You don't want to tear the rest of it into smaller pieces. Last futzed with by curiousrat; July 7th, 2014 at 11:16 PM. Reason: Added more comments.

July 7th, 2014, 10:53 PM	#3
iamjacob ninjette.org guru Name: Jacob Location: Stockton, CA Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2011 250R SE Posts: 326	Wow. I'm guessing vice-grips or channel-locks on the remaining flange isn't getting it to turn? Do you think that the filter might have been cross-threaded? If the vice-grips / channel-locks don't work I would probably try and VERY CAREFULLY cut off the remaining flange and then try vice-grips / channel-locks on the circumference of just the remaining nut portion. If that doesn't work I would *EVEN MORE CAREFULLY* try and split the remaining nut part of the filter and pry that off. May your hands be swift and true. Last futzed with by iamjacob; July 7th, 2014 at 10:54 PM. Reason: speeeling

July 7th, 2014, 10:56 PM	#4
Bob2010 ninjette.org sage Name: Bob Location: NY Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 730	I don't know what in the actual fck you guys did there. What I would do at this point , would try 2 things. Put a leather ultility glove on and try to turn it by hand. 2nd , try a large flat head screw driver and gently tap the holes on the remaining oil filter in the counter clockwise direction. That should help loosen it __________________________________________________ 2010 Red Ninja 250 2009 Black Ninja 250 -If you ride like lightning,you're gonna crash like thunder-

July 8th, 2014, 03:49 AM	#8
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	What did you use to try to get the filter off,.. a hammer? __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

July 10th, 2014, 05:54 PM	#12
Garrison14 ninjette.org newbie Name: Brooke Location: NJ Join Date: Jul 2014 Motorcycle(s): ninja 650r. suzuki m50 Posts: 2	tryed everything We started with the filter socket which only stripped the filter, then we tryed the wrench that bent and stripped it, then hammered a stress driver through it and that finished it off.so now ive pulled it apart piece my peice as u can see.I guess the pin pliers are my last hope.the most its budged is a quarter inch.the thread started to bend as well....is that thread bolt replaceable? And where would I find one????

July 8th, 2014, 02:56 AM	#7
Ducati999 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ant Location: Wooster Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ducati 999 2012 Ninja 250r Ducati748 Yellow finally running 2003 SV650 S (SOLD) Posts: A lot.	+1 on a screw driver and mallet. Make an indent for the screwdriver to get a good bite and gently "hammer" it off. Stop if the metal begins to tear and make another indent. Heat from a small torch (be very careful not to over heat the parts) or hair dryer on the remaining filter part may help. Try not to feat the anything but the filter piece so it will (slightly) expand then try to tap it off with the screwdriver and hammer. Good luck.

July 8th, 2014, 04:07 AM	#10
leed ninjette.org sage Name: David Location: Loves Park, IL Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): Time will tell Posts: 969	Assuming it's aluminum on the motor end, heat will only make it more difficult to get off. [Aluminum expands faster than steel] If I were you I'd try to find a pin spanner and pull it off that way. Check a bicycle store. http://www.bikepartsplace.com/discou...er-spa-1c-grn/ I wouldn't suggest using vise grips on the threaded portion of the filter as you will likely not be able to get it off that way without damaging the threads on the motor.

July 8th, 2014, 04:40 AM	#11
DaBlue1 Long Time Rider Name: Blue Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Get an adjustable pin spanner wrench of some type. http://www.harborfreight.com/adjusta...nch-36554.html

July 10th, 2014, 11:18 PM	#14
curiousrat ninjette.org member Name: rat Location: Co Springs Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: 23	Post another picture so we can get a better idea of where you stand. From the 1st picture, what is the yellow stuff around the threads? Have you tried lubing the threads with some engine oil and then turn it? I was thinking some extra lubrication could help.

July 11th, 2014, 02:38 AM	#16
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Hopefully a spanner wrench will be beefy enough to get it loose for you, and if that fails you'll have to get two long pin punches to put in the holes and a screw driver to twist it off. I prefer to use a wrench that i can slide as close to the base of the filter as i can so i can grip the base, which is extremely strong and less likely to tear apart from someone gorilla griping it while tightening it. In the event a wrench is unable to twist the filter you will want to back the wrench out on the filter about an inch with someone applying pressure and using a chisel very carefully next to the base and tapping the filter lightly to get a bite so you can get a better blow on it to release the friction the gasket is causing it to bind on the engine.

July 11th, 2014, 05:43 AM	#17
Rifleman Old and slow Name: Lohman Location: Aiken, S.C. Join Date: May 2014 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki TL1000R, Honda CBR600F3, Ninja 250 Posts: 889	first off, stick something in that oil intake so nothing gets in there, crawls in there. that way if you have any grinding or what have you, nothing gets into the engine... THIS IS LITERALLY the last thing between the oil sump and the journal bearings, wrist pins, cam bearings... All the filters and chunk removal is before this point, keep it clean. Secondly I have an oil filter removal tool at home, it is the BOMB. more you twist, the tighter it grabs... the OEM filter from Dodge (installed at the factory) would not come off. I put this thing on and it crushed the filter, but it came off. has gears and cams inside, works both ways, lose and tight... and so far it fits everything from a Dodge Dakota to a Honda CBR600 I got it at Farm & Fleet... sorry the pic doesn't show the manufacture, more info as I have it.

July 11th, 2014, 11:04 AM	#19
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	Anytime that I've had an oil filter that was on too tight to remove I've always used the same old trick... I just pound a big screwdriver through the filter, in one side and out the other, and use the extra leverage of the screwdriver to twist it out. Works every time. __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

July 11th, 2014, 11:22 AM	#20
LNasty Daily Jap rider Name: Lance Location: La Porte Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	Not sure if you all are doing this, but before installing the new filter always rub some fresh oil on the rubber seal before seating the filter. This will prevent it from seizing up when it is time to change it. I have been doing this on all of my vehicles for years and have never had the the filter stick.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

July 11th, 2014, 11:25 AM	#21
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	^^^^ __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

July 11th, 2014, 11:47 AM	#23
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Oil on the threads and gasket only work if your the one doing it.

July 15th, 2014, 05:29 PM	#24
fleemos ninjette.org guru Name: Darren Location: Sandy Springs, GA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Yamaha FZ6R, 2014 Suzuki GSX-R600 Posts: 299	I would take a sheet metal cutter and cut as far inward as you can go, then try to rip it the rest of the way.

July 15th, 2014, 06:10 PM	#25
Klondike1020 Intrepid Adventurer Name: Josh Location: Rochester/Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2004 GSXR 750 , 71 cb350streettracker, 07 Polaris Predator 500 Posts: A lot.	If you take a long narrow punch you can stick the tip if it firmly against the side of one of the holes and tap it with a mallet counter clock wise. it should come out easy. __________________________________________________ LIFE IS NOT FOR REGRETS OR EXCUSES. Breath deep, seek peace. Embrace the Madness. Life is good, let it be

July 15th, 2014, 08:11 PM	#26
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Looks worse than it is... __________________________________________________

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