2 Up riding - Page 5

ally99 · April 12th, 2013, 06:57 AM

Thanks all!
My preload is currently on 3. I'm not taking him on a really twisty ride, so I'm hoping 3 will be ok if I take it easy. Would you all recommend bumping it up one or two? I'm 120lbs and I would guess he's about 170.

csmith12 · April 12th, 2013, 06:59 AM

3 should be fine for a nice easy casual ride.

vman1313 · April 12th, 2013, 07:15 AM

I have no experience with the 08-12's so I can not comment on them. I just bought a 300 which obviously 2ups much better then my 2007 PreGen 250. The picture below should say it all about 2uping on a 250. That is me (200lbs+) and my girl (125lb) on a 2007 Ninja 250 riding "The Tail of the Dragon" at Deals Gap having a blast.

Can it be done? YES! Can it be fun? YES The question I think you should ask yourself is, why are you 2upping:::: Are you wanting to go carve curves in the mountains OR are you out wanting to enjoy the open road with a friend/loved one?

Have fun & Be Safe!

ally99 · April 12th, 2013, 08:59 AM

Does tire pressure need to be adjusted to accomodate a passenger?

choneofakind · April 12th, 2013, 09:04 AM

Yes. Add a couple PSI for a passenger.

Pinging @Alex for more info. I remember that he had a little more info on tire pressures vs weight.

Alex · April 12th, 2013, 09:31 AM

Kawi doesn't recommend any different pressures based on 1-up or 2-up, but some other bikes do make that distinction. I think I'd just make sure that the pressures weren't on the low end, as with the extra weight there could be more of a negative effect should the tires be softer than recommended.

ally99 · April 12th, 2013, 10:33 AM

Cool. Thanks Alex!

ChaoSS · April 14th, 2013, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Well... unless it's time. No reach arounds sounds like a good rule.

I thought that by second date, reach arounds were almost mandatory.

Joshorilla · April 14th, 2013, 03:30 AM

One of the problems with riding pillion is they almost refuse to lean or even try and counter it!

The best tip I can give is to tell them to keep their head in line with yours, that way you can "remote control" them into leaning naturally.

allanoue · April 14th, 2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshorilla

One of the problems with riding pillion is they almost refuse to lean or even try and counter it!

The best tip I can give is to tell them to keep their head in line with yours, that way you can "remote control" them into leaning naturally.

I just tell them always look over my inside shoulder in a turn and there weight shift will be good.

ChaoSS · April 14th, 2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by allanoue

I just tell them always look over my inside shoulder in a turn and there weight shift will be good.

That's a good idea, generally. Unless you have a significant amount of experience with riding 2 up, and your passenger does as well, you should not be taking turns too aggressively anyway, so as long as they aren't moving around too much, they shouldn't be causing too much trouble. No one likes staring at the back of a helmet, and inside is better than outside.

ally99 · April 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM

Hey all. The 2-up rides were really fun! It was my passenger's first time ever on a bike, and he called her fast. Yeah!

He was giddy and it was a cool reminder of my first time on a bike. Popping the 2-wheel cherry. THere's never a cooler feeling...well, except maybe dragging knee on a racetrack!
Anyway, the only times I had problems were occasionally when coming to a complete stop. The bike got wobbly and felt unstable. I think it was because I was tensing up on the bars a bit because the extra weight made me feel unstable. I got better by our 3rd ride on it, but I still didn't feel comfortable at stops. Oh, and we went over a pair of railroad tracks and had a bit of a tank slapper. Loose on the bars works every damn time. But I was like DAYUM! That's never happened to me in that spot before.
So I'll absolutely do it again, but I was surprised at the adjustments I was having to make due to the extra weight on back.

Alex · April 14th, 2013, 06:38 PM

Good work!

It's more challenging riding 2-up on a light sportbike. It's one area where a larger/heavier/more torquey bike does make it more predictable and easier to handle.

choneofakind · April 14th, 2013, 07:57 PM

^^ I'd agree with that. I wish I had more torque for 2-up riding. But the amount that I do that doesn't really merit buying a new bike.

Also, what's the best remedy for a little head shake? More gas to keep the front light? Just thought I'd ask a general riding skills question while we were on the subject.

csmith12 · April 14th, 2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by choneofakind

Also, what's the best remedy for a little head shake? More gas to keep the front light? Just thought I'd ask a general riding skills question while we were on the subject.

Yea, loose and throttle.

csmith12 · April 14th, 2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ally99

Anyway, the only times I had problems were occasionally when coming to a complete stop. The bike got wobbly and felt unstable. I think it was because I was tensing up on the bars a bit because the extra weight made me feel unstable. I got better by our 3rd ride on it, but I still didn't feel comfortable at stops.

Just like cornering, get your braking done early and trail off at the end, then plant a foot. It's sooooooo smooth.

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Originally Posted by ally99

I was surprised at the adjustments I was having to make due to the extra weight on back.

Aint that the truth.....

ChaoSS · April 14th, 2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by csmith12

Just like cornering, get your braking done early and trail off at the end, then plant a foot. It's sooooooo smooth.

You can smooth it out a bit like that, but the extra weight is still something that you simply have to get used to. My other bike is something like 800 pounds, I can't really feel much difference in the braking and acceleration when my wife is on the back, but low speed handling is so, so much different, bringing it to a stop without dropping the bike is more of a challenge. (the bike is taller and harder to balance at a stop anyway, haven't dropped it yet but sometimes it feels like a challenge muscling it to keep it up when I stop.)

YunMing · April 14th, 2013, 10:19 PM

I did 2 up on a pregen. Forks compress a bit more and you gota air the tires up a lot. Acceleration takes a hit but it does fine.

massacremasses · April 15th, 2013, 07:04 AM

2up still scares me. Even now that I have a big boy bike.. I think it may scare me more now that my wife actually wants to take a ride with me.

April 12th, 2013, 06:57 AM	#161
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Thanks all! My preload is currently on 3. I'm not taking him on a really twisty ride, so I'm hoping 3 will be ok if I take it easy. Would you all recommend bumping it up one or two? I'm 120lbs and I would guess he's about 170. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

April 12th, 2013, 06:59 AM	#162
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	3 should be fine for a nice easy casual ride. __________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

April 12th, 2013, 08:59 AM	#164
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Does tire pressure need to be adjusted to accomodate a passenger? __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

April 12th, 2013, 09:31 AM	#166
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Kawi doesn't recommend any different pressures based on 1-up or 2-up, but some other bikes do make that distinction. I think I'd just make sure that the pressures weren't on the low end, as with the extra weight there could be more of a negative effect should the tires be softer than recommended. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 12th, 2013, 10:33 AM	#167
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Cool. Thanks Alex! __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

April 12th, 2013, 09:04 AM	#165
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Yes. Add a couple PSI for a passenger. Pinging @Alex for more info. I remember that he had a little more info on tire pressures vs weight.

April 14th, 2013, 03:30 AM	#169
Joshorilla Bass Master General Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 24	One of the problems with riding pillion is they almost refuse to lean or even try and counter it! The best tip I can give is to tell them to keep their head in line with yours, that way you can "remote control" them into leaning naturally.

April 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM	#172
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Hey all. The 2-up rides were really fun! It was my passenger's first time ever on a bike, and he called her fast. Yeah! He was giddy and it was a cool reminder of my first time on a bike. Popping the 2-wheel cherry. THere's never a cooler feeling...well, except maybe dragging knee on a racetrack! Anyway, the only times I had problems were occasionally when coming to a complete stop. The bike got wobbly and felt unstable. I think it was because I was tensing up on the bars a bit because the extra weight made me feel unstable. I got better by our 3rd ride on it, but I still didn't feel comfortable at stops. Oh, and we went over a pair of railroad tracks and had a bit of a tank slapper. Loose on the bars works every damn time. But I was like DAYUM! That's never happened to me in that spot before. So I'll absolutely do it again, but I was surprised at the adjustments I was having to make due to the extra weight on back. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

April 14th, 2013, 06:38 PM	#173
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Good work! It's more challenging riding 2-up on a light sportbike. It's one area where a larger/heavier/more torquey bike does make it more predictable and easier to handle. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

April 14th, 2013, 07:57 PM	#174
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	^^ I'd agree with that. I wish I had more torque for 2-up riding. But the amount that I do that doesn't really merit buying a new bike. Also, what's the best remedy for a little head shake? More gas to keep the front light? Just thought I'd ask a general riding skills question while we were on the subject.

April 14th, 2013, 10:19 PM	#178
YunMing ninjette.org member Name: Alexander Location: Santa Rosa Join Date: Jul 2012 Motorcycle(s): (Sold) 2007 Red Ninja 250r, 2003 Cbr 600 F4i Posts: 137	I did 2 up on a pregen. Forks compress a bit more and you gota air the tires up a lot. Acceleration takes a hit but it does fine.

April 15th, 2013, 07:04 AM	#179
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	2up still scares me. Even now that I have a big boy bike.. I think it may scare me more now that my wife actually wants to take a ride with me. __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

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