Anyone here have faster bikes, but still have their Ninjette?

espacef1fan · March 13th, 2013, 11:08 PM

The Ninjette is not my 1st bike. I just bought it because I wanted to see what all of the fuss is about. I have a TL1000R and a Ninja 650R and I'm finding myself struggling to justify 3 bikes, though I do enjoy them all for different reasons.
Anyone else have a similar situation?

Here is a pic of them..

nickjpass · March 13th, 2013, 11:43 PM

I understand the point of a low powered small bike. I ride a klx140l on the dirt, and it's much, much less powerful, and I love it! I also ride A ZX6R. The brute force of this bike is amazing.

Alex · March 13th, 2013, 11:55 PM

Plenty of folks.

Jiggles · March 14th, 2013, 12:05 AM

I felt I needed a bike with 7x the power in order to safely navigate the freeway

As you can see, 5x the power didn't cut it

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Yakaru · March 14th, 2013, 12:15 AM

I only have my ninjette, even though it's the new improved +50ccs version but I will say that I can't imagine getting rid of my baby bike even if I got a bigger one later.

Firehorse · March 14th, 2013, 02:57 AM

Will always keep it after I get my new ones. No need to justify, people have more expensive watches and no one asks them to justify it.

nickjpass · March 14th, 2013, 03:50 AM

I can't wait till I have enough money to buy my own 250 lol

psych0hans · March 14th, 2013, 04:35 AM

I'm so in love with the TL1000R. There was one for sale in India recently, but I missed out on it. How is the bike? How does it feel like after riding the ninjette?

p.s. when I get a bigger bike, my ninjette is definitely staying...

Racer x · March 14th, 2013, 04:40 AM

For all the BS with my bike. It's the slowest bike I have ever owned. It's the best bike I have ever had and I love it. Now that it is a race only bike I dont ride it on the street. So maybe I will get a 300.

csmith12 · March 14th, 2013, 05:30 AM

MKlein3004 · March 14th, 2013, 05:51 AM

I have two bikes that are "faster" than my ninjette and I still kept the ninjette and use it just as much as one of the "faster" bikes.

sharky nrk · March 14th, 2013, 05:56 AM

I fall in this group as well, have "faster" bikes but that doesn't diminish how much I love to ride the Ninjette in the least.

Bigballsofpaint · March 14th, 2013, 07:13 AM

I still have the 250, and hopefully will for a while. Glad i still have it too, after low siding the 1000 yesterday i still have a bike to ride while waiting for the insurance debacle ahead!

tooblekain · March 14th, 2013, 07:32 AM

My first bike was a Daytona 675--it had a good life where I would canyon carve all the way to racing. Its no longer with me because of a racing incident that left me injured for quite a while. My second and still own is my Bonneville. THat thing has been frankensteined and makes a lot of power for its size. The Ninjette is my dedicated race bike.

vman1313 · March 14th, 2013, 07:56 AM

I own a 2002 1300cc Hayabusa, a 2007 PreGen Ninja 250, and NOW a 2013 Ninja 300. A buddy asked me my thoughts on the 300 after my first ride into the mountains and all I could answer was ""BUSA & PREGEN FOR SALE...ANYONE INTERESTED!?!?!""

nickjpass · March 14th, 2013, 08:44 AM

Keep the 250, get rid of the busa

ally99 · March 14th, 2013, 08:50 AM

I'm selling my GSXR600 to get a Ninja 300. I love me some little nimble Ninjas!

nickjpass · March 14th, 2013, 10:04 AM

Will you buy me one toooo???

vman1313 · March 14th, 2013, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Keep the 250, get rid of the busa

If the PREGEN was Fuel Injected I might just would do that

250rr · March 14th, 2013, 10:21 AM

I had a New Gen 250r and then bought a Duck 750 SS. Had both bikes for awhile. I just couldn't justify keeping both as I wasn't putting enough miles on two.

Ended up selling the 250.

Love the 750SS, however. Not so over-powered as most of the other sport bikes. Definitely more powerful than the 250. Much more difficult to ride well. At least for me.

I would say that if I rode more than I do, where I could put a couple of thousand miles per year on each bike I would have kept both. If I start putting that kind of miles on the Duck I might consider a Ninja 300.

Miles_Prower · March 14th, 2013, 10:32 AM

I let go of my 250 to get my zx6r. If I had a garage, or multiple parking spots for my apartment, I would have kept the 250. I just don't have enough space for two bikes and a car at this time, sadly

fleemos · March 14th, 2013, 12:02 PM

I have an FZ6R and the 250. The 250 is still a blast to ride, if I get rid of the 250 it's only to get a 300. The 250 is just so light and nimble, I think turn and it's done.

fleemos · March 14th, 2013, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

I let go of my 250 to get my zx6r. If I had a garage, or multiple parking spots for my apartment, I would have kept the 250. I just don't have enough space for two bikes and a car at this time, sadly

I park my two bikes in one spot and the car in the other. Is your apartment gonna bitch if you do that?

menikmati · March 14th, 2013, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleemos

I park my two bikes in one spot and the car in the other. Is your apartment gonna bitch if you do that?

This is what I do.

I have no plans on geting rid of the 250, way too fun and cheap to own.

cookiebug79 · March 14th, 2013, 12:47 PM

I <3 my garage!

The orange shitbox I'm storing for a buddy, but everything else has it's place to suit my riding needs. I definitely need a dirtbike next!

dave42 · March 14th, 2013, 12:52 PM

Like a lot of people here I'm hanging on to my 250 as well; granted right now it's mostly my fiance riding on it but I'm pretty sure even after she gets another bike later the 250 will still be here. Just too useful a bike to get rid of.

choneofakind · March 14th, 2013, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vman1313

If the PREGEN was Fuel Injected I might just would do that

That can be arranged.

Joshorilla · March 14th, 2013, 12:58 PM

I like my 250, I have rode all sorts, and as soon as i've finished paying for my ninja, i'm getting rid of it for a bigger bike with better touring capabilities, wind protection & comforts.

It's nice having more power and i'd rather something more comfortable.

Triumph sprint or a BMW maybe.

espacef1fan · March 14th, 2013, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych0hans

I'm so in love with the TL1000R. There was one for sale in India recently, but I missed out on it. How is the bike? How does it feel like after riding the ninjette?

p.s. when I get a bigger bike, my ninjette is definitely staying...

It feels very large and heavy. The power makes you giggle. It handles well enough but its a bike you have to MAKE turn..it doesnt just go lightly like the ninjette. Look at the weights of the TLR and it shouldnt surprise you. Good bang for the buck and they are increasingly rare.

Google tlzone or tlplanet for more info.

Bill N · March 14th, 2013, 01:38 PM

Yes,
I have a 2009 1300 FJR which I ride all over the country. My 1998 1100 MotoGuzzi is my weekend ride of choice for 200-400 mile local rides. My daily ride is my 08 Ninjette, absolute favorite for rides around town, commuting and short weekend rides. I love the little bike.
Bill

nickjpass · March 15th, 2013, 12:57 PM

@cookiebug79 Kx450 :thumbs up:

cookiebug79 · March 15th, 2013, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

@cookiebug79 Kx450 :thumbs up:

Thanks!

SMman · March 15th, 2013, 01:03 PM

The 250 is a great bike and the main reason I bought one after selling my 2000 ZZR250 years ago, is to try to slow down on the street, plus the price on my mint 2009 was a steal. Here it is with my 2003 ZX-6R and 2006 CRF450R. I also have a 2007 DR-Z400SM and used to own a 1999 SV650S, 2003 VFR800, 2004 ZX-6RR racebike, and 2005 GSX-R600. I have seat time on quite a few other 600s and literbikes but prefer riding smaller bikes.

Miles_Prower · March 15th, 2013, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleemos

I park my two bikes in one spot and the car in the other. Is your apartment gonna bitch if you do that?

Sadly yes..we have assigned parking and I only have one spot..

I was thinking how I could squeeze two bikes and a car but itd be horrible to get anything out lol

YORCHI · March 15th, 2013, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

Sadly yes..we have assigned parking and I only have one spot..

I was thinking how I could squeeze two bikes and a car but itd be horrible to get anything out lol

I fit my bike and my wife's car (Scion xB) into our one assigned parking spot and no one has ever said anything about it. It's annoying having to take it out in the morning though and it takes me longer to get everything to ready to leave than it actually takes me to get to work each morning

Miles_Prower · March 15th, 2013, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YORCHI

I fit my bike and my wife's car (Scion xB) into our one assigned parking spot and no one has ever said anything about it. It's annoying having to take it out in the morning though and it takes me longer to get everything to ready to leave than it actually takes me to get to work each morning

yup! i have my bike behind my car when i know ill ride it everyday. tomorrow it's gonna snow, so i put it in front of the car for easy access to the car (feels so slow now lol). gotta be careful though, i accidentally tapped my beloved bike when pulling back in!! no damage to the bike but the metal peg feeler put a little mark on my front bumper haha - fortunately i don't care about my car anymore, just my green baby

greenaero · March 16th, 2013, 01:08 PM

I have a an older 550cc sport/tourer ; an '82 Yahama Vision besides my 1999 Ninja 250. The Vision is much faster and had tons more low-end torque than the Ninja but, to me , the Ninja is as much or more fun to ride. If I could only own one bike, the Ninja would be it. They are just flat out great bikes; good handling and brakes and enough power to be fun. They also very tough machines and have the potential to deliver great fuel economy.

tfkrocks · March 16th, 2013, 02:02 PM

Well I got a faster bike, but it's a 300 so it's still a ninjette

I absolutely love the 300 and I'm definitely hanging on to it.

bruce71198 · March 16th, 2013, 02:26 PM

1947 knuckle head and 2006 Street Glide and sadly, yes they are faster ( in a straight line) than my 250.

Jesse8931 · March 16th, 2013, 03:49 PM

Well I sold my 07 250 I regret that and while I'm looking for another 250 if I find a sv650 or bandit 1200 for around my 2200 limit I'm gonna buy that instead of the 250

March 13th, 2013, 11:08 PM	#1
espacef1fan ninjette.org member Name: ADAM Location: fort campbell, ky Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): Suzuki TL1000R Posts: 112	Anyone here have faster bikes, but still have their Ninjette? The Ninjette is not my 1st bike. I just bought it because I wanted to see what all of the fuss is about. I have a TL1000R and a Ninja 650R and I'm finding myself struggling to justify 3 bikes, though I do enjoy them all for different reasons. Anyone else have a similar situation? Here is a pic of them.. __________________________________________________ Have Pregen 250. WTT for a dual sport... 250cc and up

March 13th, 2013, 11:43 PM	#2
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I understand the point of a low powered small bike. I ride a klx140l on the dirt, and it's much, much less powerful, and I love it! I also ride A ZX6R. The brute force of this bike is amazing. __________________________________________________

March 13th, 2013, 11:55 PM	#3
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Plenty of folks. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 14th, 2013, 12:05 AM	#4
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I felt I needed a bike with 7x the power in order to safely navigate the freeway As you can see, 5x the power didn't cut it <--- __________________________________________________ If the Ninja 250 doesn't have enough power for you, then you don't know how to ride it. AFM #676 Supersports are for n00bs

March 14th, 2013, 03:50 AM	#7
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I can't wait till I have enough money to buy my own 250 lol __________________________________________________

March 14th, 2013, 12:15 AM	#5
Yakaru The Violet Vixen Name: Yakaru Location: Issaquah, WA & Las Vegas, NV Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Perigee (250), Hotaru (250), Saturn (300), Pearl (300), Zero (S1000RR), Chibi (Z125), Xellos ('18 HP4R) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '16	I only have my ninjette, even though it's the new improved +50ccs version but I will say that I can't imagine getting rid of my baby bike even if I got a bigger one later.

March 14th, 2013, 02:57 AM	#6
Firehorse ninjette.org sage Name: Ms.T, Queen of the Night Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250 Posts: 938	Will always keep it after I get my new ones. No need to justify, people have more expensive watches and no one asks them to justify it.

March 14th, 2013, 04:35 AM	#8
psych0hans ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Hansveer Location: Bombay, India Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r - Track whore, Ninja 300 - SOLD, KTM RC390 - Orange Hulk, Ducati 899 Panigale - Red Devil. Posts: A lot.	I'm so in love with the TL1000R. There was one for sale in India recently, but I missed out on it. How is the bike? How does it feel like after riding the ninjette? p.s. when I get a bigger bike, my ninjette is definitely staying... __________________________________________________ GETTING BACK INTO RIDING? Read this.

March 14th, 2013, 04:40 AM	#9
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	For all the BS with my bike. It's the slowest bike I have ever owned. It's the best bike I have ever had and I love it. Now that it is a race only bike I dont ride it on the street. So maybe I will get a 300. __________________________________________________ Top speed 123.369mph. Ohio mile Worlds fastest 250 ninja

March 14th, 2013, 05:30 AM	#10
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	__________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

March 14th, 2013, 05:51 AM	#11
MKlein3004 Fighting Texas Aggie '08 Name: Mitchell Location: Allen, Tx Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Race), 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 636 (Track), 2005 Ducati Monster 620 (Street) Posts: 541	I have two bikes that are "faster" than my ninjette and I still kept the ninjette and use it just as much as one of the "faster" bikes.

March 14th, 2013, 05:56 AM	#12
sharky nrk Fighting Texas Aggie '05 Name: Neil Location: Hutto, TX Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '07 ZX6R, '08 Versys, '09 250R Track, '93 F2/F3 Track Posts: A lot.	I fall in this group as well, have "faster" bikes but that doesn't diminish how much I love to ride the Ninjette in the least.

March 14th, 2013, 07:13 AM	#13
Bigballsofpaint ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jay Location: CT Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2015 636 ABS - 69 Honda 305 Posts: A lot.	I still have the 250, and hopefully will for a while. Glad i still have it too, after low siding the 1000 yesterday i still have a bike to ride while waiting for the insurance debacle ahead!

March 14th, 2013, 07:32 AM	#14
tooblekain ninjette.org sage Name: Matt Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Triumph Bonneville; 2008 Ninja 250r (trackbike) Posts: 748	My first bike was a Daytona 675--it had a good life where I would canyon carve all the way to racing. Its no longer with me because of a racing incident that left me injured for quite a while. My second and still own is my Bonneville. THat thing has been frankensteined and makes a lot of power for its size. The Ninjette is my dedicated race bike. __________________________________________________ CVMA #312SoCal TrackdaysBigHeadz RacingMotion ProFactory EffexLeatt Brace* Racetech Bell Woodcraft CFMVortexHotbodiesSurface Sun SystemsBrakingLiveWire EnergyFreegun Underwear

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vman1313 ninjette.org sage Name: Tony Location: Buford, GA Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): '14 Honda NC700X; '14 Honda CRF250L; '07 Lifan 200 Posts: 623	I own a 2002 1300cc Hayabusa, a 2007 PreGen Ninja 250, and NOW a 2013 Ninja 300. A buddy asked me my thoughts on the 300 after my first ride into the mountains and all I could answer was ""BUSA & PREGEN FOR SALE...ANYONE INTERESTED!?!?!"" __________________________________________________ www.northgariders.com NuBe4Life!!!

March 14th, 2013, 08:44 AM	#16
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Keep the 250, get rid of the busa __________________________________________________

March 14th, 2013, 08:50 AM	#17
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	I'm selling my GSXR600 to get a Ninja 300. I love me some little nimble Ninjas! __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

March 14th, 2013, 10:04 AM	#18
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Will you buy me one toooo??? __________________________________________________

March 14th, 2013, 10:21 AM	#20
250rr ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Mark Location: Portland Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): Cheap Italian Suit. Otherwise known as Dew Kitty Posts: A lot.	I had a New Gen 250r and then bought a Duck 750 SS. Had both bikes for awhile. I just couldn't justify keeping both as I wasn't putting enough miles on two. Ended up selling the 250. Love the 750SS, however. Not so over-powered as most of the other sport bikes. Definitely more powerful than the 250. Much more difficult to ride well. At least for me. I would say that if I rode more than I do, where I could put a couple of thousand miles per year on each bike I would have kept both. If I start putting that kind of miles on the Duck I might consider a Ninja 300.

March 14th, 2013, 10:32 AM	#21
Miles_Prower One Loyal Fox Name: Rahul Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250R (RIP), 2011 ZX-6R Posts: 869	I let go of my 250 to get my zx6r. If I had a garage, or multiple parking spots for my apartment, I would have kept the 250. I just don't have enough space for two bikes and a car at this time, sadly __________________________________________________ My riding blog! Check it out if you are bored!aninjaridingpandabear.blogspot.com RIP Alex 8.10.12

March 14th, 2013, 12:02 PM	#22
fleemos ninjette.org guru Name: Darren Location: Sandy Springs, GA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Yamaha FZ6R, 2014 Suzuki GSX-R600 Posts: 299	I have an FZ6R and the 250. The 250 is still a blast to ride, if I get rid of the 250 it's only to get a 300. The 250 is just so light and nimble, I think turn and it's done.

March 14th, 2013, 12:47 PM	#25
cookiebug79 n00b with the b00bs Name: Jen Location: Southern California Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2007 EX250, 2008 EX250, 2001 ZR-7S, 2010 ZX-6R Posts: 470	I <3 my garage! The orange shitbox I'm storing for a buddy, but everything else has it's place to suit my riding needs. I definitely need a dirtbike next!

March 14th, 2013, 12:52 PM	#26
dave42 ninjette.org guru Name: dave Location: Pasadena Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250, ZX6r, RSV4, Caponord Rally Posts: 267	Like a lot of people here I'm hanging on to my 250 as well; granted right now it's mostly my fiance riding on it but I'm pretty sure even after she gets another bike later the 250 will still be here. Just too useful a bike to get rid of.

March 14th, 2013, 12:58 PM	#28
Joshorilla Bass Master General Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 24	I like my 250, I have rode all sorts, and as soon as i've finished paying for my ninja, i'm getting rid of it for a bigger bike with better touring capabilities, wind protection & comforts. It's nice having more power and i'd rather something more comfortable. Triumph sprint or a BMW maybe.

March 14th, 2013, 01:38 PM	#30
Bill N ninjette.org member Name: Bill Location: Tampa Fl Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 250 Ninja Posts: 180	Yes, I have a 2009 1300 FJR which I ride all over the country. My 1998 1100 MotoGuzzi is my weekend ride of choice for 200-400 mile local rides. My daily ride is my 08 Ninjette, absolute favorite for rides around town, commuting and short weekend rides. I love the little bike. Bill

March 15th, 2013, 12:57 PM	#31
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	@cookiebug79 Kx450 :thumbs up: __________________________________________________

March 16th, 2013, 01:08 PM	#37
greenaero Motorcycle Hypermiler Name: Vic Location: Livermore CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 1999 & 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250R's Posts: A lot.	I have a an older 550cc sport/tourer ; an '82 Yahama Vision besides my 1999 Ninja 250. The Vision is much faster and had tons more low-end torque than the Ninja but, to me , the Ninja is as much or more fun to ride. If I could only own one bike, the Ninja would be it. They are just flat out great bikes; good handling and brakes and enough power to be fun. They also very tough machines and have the potential to deliver great fuel economy.

March 16th, 2013, 02:02 PM	#38
tfkrocks ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rebecca Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 w/ ABS, 2014 NC700X, 2008 Ninja 250 (sold), 2002 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '18, Sep '13	Well I got a faster bike, but it's a 300 so it's still a ninjette I absolutely love the 300 and I'm definitely hanging on to it.

March 16th, 2013, 02:26 PM	#39
bruce71198 ninjette.org sage Name: bruce Location: northern illinois Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): Race bikes:08 Ninja 250,11 R6,16 ZX6,SV650.3 HD-1947,2-2003,2010. 1946 Indian and a lot of dirt bikes.2 Posts: 999	1947 knuckle head and 2006 Street Glide and sadly, yes they are faster ( in a straight line) than my 250.

March 16th, 2013, 03:49 PM	#40
Jesse8931 ninjette.org guru Name: Jesse Location: Ann arbor mi Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja 250r Posts: 374	Well I sold my 07 250 I regret that and while I'm looking for another 250 if I find a sv650 or bandit 1200 for around my 2200 limit I'm gonna buy that instead of the 250

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