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[alex.s]

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Motofool]

Did he/she run?

[NevadaWolf]

Not entirely sure if its running or taking the exit to find a safe place to stop... Least that's what I would be thinking *after* letting the officer know I am complying with being pulled over (I hit my hazards if i can't pull over safely right away).

I don't know if that's right or not, but figure I would rather be someplace both s/he and I are safe in when dealing with whatever than just pulling over immediately regardless.

[cadd]

Looks like lane splitting is legal there? I'm assuming Cali?

[supersport]

That looks like SF, 850 bryant st

[Brian]

Originally Posted by cadd

Looks like lane splitting is legal there? I'm assuming Cali?

Yep, Cali plates. I was going to say it looked like NY or Boston but it would be wrong for a cop getting angry while doing something he shouldn't be.

It was the driver's fault. I hate drivers who immediately change lanes the second they put on their blinker, it doesn't justify them to switch lanes if all you're doing is barging your way through, you have to make other riders / drivers aware that you need to move into another lane..

[cadd]

I wished they made filtering legal in the US (as long as riders don't abuse it).

Only allowed to filter if traveling under 20mph? I'll be so happy with that! And $200 fines + points for riders that break this privilege.

Of course there has to be new driver training to include keeping an eye out for riders filtering in near stand still traffic.

But that's another discussion for another day.

[capt_bugaloo]

Of course there has to be new driver training to include keeping an eye out for riders filtering in near stand still traffic.

You'd definitely need a public education campaign to let drivers know that, yes, motorcycles are allowed to lane-split.

[jcgss77]

That was classic. I bet that driver will learn to look before they barge.

[Singh2jz]

Dude got pwned. Glad it was a cop..

[Brian]

Originally Posted by capt_bugaloo

You'd definitely need a public education campaign to let drivers know that, yes, motorcycles are allowed to lane-split.

I personally don't think I should be, when I'm in my car there's just too many blind spots to notice a motorcycle, too many. Unless I hear a motorcycle's exhaust, and in this case I do believe loud pipes save lives.

I split sometimes but only to filter when I'm riding on the far right or far left of the road

[alex.s]

[Brian]

Try driving rush hour in Boston with every soccer mom in their SUVs quickly changing directions with out even looking. There ARE too many blind spots in a car and too many people jumping in and out of traffic for lane splitting to be equitable here, sorry.

[Alex]

Those with a small world view don't realize its size.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Alex

Those with a small world view don't realize its size.

You also can't forget where the most accidents do happen.. sadly there's too many cons to splitting, there's no arguing that.

I want it to be legal, don't get me wrong, I like to filter, so I would rather not get in trouble. The idiots who might abuse it by intentionally going faster than a cars speed during moving traffic and get side-swiped or wonder why they got ran over by a lane changing car is what boggles my mind.. Every car has a bad blind spot.

[Alex]

Some would stop digging.

[alex.s]

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

You ok?

[alex.s]

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by Brian

You also can't forget where the most accidents do happen.

Right. They happen at less than 35 mph, less than 10 miles from home, not on interstates. Most single vehicle motorcycle accidents involve alcohol, excess speed, or some combination of the two.

Or something to that effect.

Your point?




FYI: The Hurt Report covered all this.
The wikipedia page (which i'm sure you won't actually read, making this entire post useless) will be a good starting point for you to do more research so you can start backing your claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_Report

[Brian]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Right. They happen at less than 35 mph, less than 10 miles from home, not on interstates. Most single vehicle motorcycle accidents involve alcohol, excess speed, or some combination of the two.

Or something to that effect.

Your point?




FYI: The Hurt Report covered all this.
The wikipedia page (which i'm sure you won't actually read, making this entire post useless) will be a good starting point for you to do more research so you can start backing your claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_Report

Why does it bother me that this "report" other than being extremely out-dated was also done in Cali? the one and only state that allows splitting.

"Lane splitting is never mentioned anywhere in the Hurt Report, and all of the data was collected in California, so no comparison was made between of lane splitting vs. non-lane splitting"

• A lot of you are from Cali, you're drivers EXPECT motorcycles to do that kind of thing
• Cali is the state with the most Motorcycles! Again, the cagers welcome you. In Boston, around my area, I can count at least 50 cars to 1 motorcycle. (I'm the one living a small world?)
• Cali has year round riding - no wonder the cagers know how to avoid potential accidents better, they expect you to be there all the time.

[choneofakind]

Both valid points. At least you chose to read something that was posted for once.

Sure it's dated. There's a new one in the works for the last few years, not in CA. so there's that.

and dude, CA drivers are still bad because they're unaware. Many (nearly half, iirc) didn't even know it was legal when asked about it. [citation needed] I remember something about it in one of the "LANE SPLITTING RARRRRRR!" threads a while back. Public education campaign is needed for this to be everywhere else. Don't blame the blind spots on a car, blame the sack of meat behind the steering wheel who refuses to check over his shoulders.

Look to places where lane sharing works, like the UK. Why does it work? Public education during drivers ed. Public education through commercials, billboards, and a general public that accepts motorcycling as a valid form of transit.

Don't blame the car, educate the drivers.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

• the cagers welcome you.
• cagers know how to avoid potential accidents better, they expect you to be there all the time.

wrong, annnnnd, wrong.
try again!

[Brian]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Don't blame the car, educate the drivers.

Yes! I agree with all that, and it makes 100% sense, but we have to think logically, and for our safety.. there will always be dumb drivers. People swerving in and out of our lane. There will ALWAYS be (and is an everyday occurrence) people who barge into lanes with out even blinkering because they almost missed their exit. It will never cease to exist, I personally think licenses shouldn't be available until your at least 21, and it should be much harder to earn. Us children are too freaking immature this day and age to own something as big as a car or a motorbike.

Until the US makes motorcycle only lanes (Like those UK, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Taiwan) splitting lanes just seems more of a dangerous thing to be attempting than a positive for me. And that's my opinion, doesn't matter how many of you down vote my post..

Originally Posted by alex.s

wrong, annnnnd, wrong.
try again!

Instead of telling me I'm wrong how about you tell me what's right so I can learn from you?

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes! I agree with all that, and it makes 100% sense, but we have to think logically, and for our safety.. there will always be dumb drivers. People swerving in and out of our lane. There will ALWAYS be (and is an everyday occurrence) people who barge into lanes with out even blinkering because they almost missed their exit.

Until the US makes motorcycle only lanes (Like those UK, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Taiwan) splitting lanes just seems more of a dangerous thing to be attempting than a positive for me. And that's my opinion, doesn't matter how many of you down vote my post..

you don't know how to lane split. you don't seem to have the slightest idea of how to avoid accidents. you don't know what you're talking about. this is me being nice, btw. if you want to learn, try reading more

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

you don't know how to lane split. you don't seem to have the slightest idea of how to avoid accidents. you don't know what you're talking about. this is me being nice, btw. if you want to learn, try reading more

You must be a pro.. Tell me how the cop in OP's post could have avoided being cut off like that, other than braking, imagine him going 10mph faster than he was. Were wings going to come out of his exhaust pipe and lift him to safety?

[cuong-nutz]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes! I agree with all that, and it makes 100% sense, but we have to think logically, and for our safety.. there will always be dumb drivers. People swerving in and out of our lane. There will ALWAYS be (and is an everyday occurrence) people who barge into lanes with out even blinkering because they almost missed their exit. It will never cease to exist, I personally think licenses shouldn't be available until your at least 21, and it should be much harder to earn. Us children are too freaking immature this day and age to own something as big as a car or a motorbike.

Until the US makes motorcycle only lanes (Like those UK, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Taiwan) splitting lanes just seems more of a dangerous thing to be attempting than a positive for me. And that's my opinion, doesn't matter how many of you down vote my post..

Instead of telling me I'm wrong how about you tell me what's right so I can learn from you?

http://www.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/Safety1nN...e_June2014.pdf

http://rideapart.com/2013/05/what-th...rcycle-safety/

Www.lanesplittingislegal.com

The countries you listed use motorcycles as a primary mode of transportation and their numbers are far more than cages when compared to here. Also you will notice the size of the country and economics. Idiots are on the road because they are not educated about riders nor do they know anything about motorcycles. Making a moto only lane still does not address the idiots and accidents will still continue to happen.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by cuong-nutz

Making a moto only lane still does not addresses the idiots and accidents will still continue to happen.

Yes but who's fault would it be when we get hit in OUR lane? Atleast we won't have people like this.. it's outrageous:

Link to original page on YouTube.

[cuong-nutz]

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes but who's fault would it be when we get hit in OUR lane? Atleast we won't have people like this.. it's outrageous:

Link to original page on YouTube.

You're still off the subject. Lane splitting is legal and driver is at fault.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

You must be a pro.. Tell me how the cop in OP's post could have avoided being cut off like that, other than braking, imagine him going 10mph faster than he was. Were wings going to come out of his exhaust pipe and lift him to safety?

well, i have around 25k miles of lane splitting through LA traffic. (i commuted 120 miles each day through terrible traffic) does that make me a pro? news flash, cars don't turn into the side of other cars in traffic. (unless they are intentionally trying to block you like in the video you posted) they turn into gaps in traffic. you can easily line up all your passes so they happen only when people are directly next to other cars. addressing your whole riding on the right shoulder, that's really stupid. people expect that to be the "this is where i'm pulling over to stop" place. literally nobody except bicyclists who are driving a car look before pulling there, including motorcyclists. i could go on and on but i'm not going to because you haven't even tried to do any sort of reading on how to lane split.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

well, i have around 25k miles of lane splitting through LA traffic. does that make me a pro? news flash, cars don't turn into the side of other cars in traffic. they turn into gaps in traffic. you can easily line up all your passes so they happen only when people are directly next to other cars. addressing your whole riding on the right shoulder, that's really stupid. people expect that to be the "this is where i'm pulling over to stop" place. literally nobody except bicyclists who are driving a car look before pulling there, including motorcyclists. i could go on and on but i'm not going to because you haven't even tried to do any sort of reading on how to lane split.

Why should I read when there's such a thing called Youtube. It's visual, and really brings out the raw-ness in this mess that is lane-splitting. I don't care if you can do it well.. there really isn't any logic in that, because they don't test your lane splitting skills when you get your license, do they? There are a lot dumb riders too, if lane splitting is legal, everyone will be doing it. Cali is nice and all but since you're the only state in the US with it being legal it's really hard to make a point on it with out having to think about the other 49 states that can't do it justifiably....

maybe I'm being ironic; but in my area, if it was legal, it's just a hard thing to pull off and you're bound to get into an accident faster than if you weren't splitting just because you wanted to make it home 4 minutes earlier..

Originally Posted by alex.s

riding on the right shoulder, that's really stupid. people expect that to be the "this is where i'm pulling over to stop" place. literally nobody except bicyclists who are driving a car look before pulling there, including motorcyclists. i could go on and on but i'm not going to because you haven't even tried to do any sort of reading on how to lane split.

This just made me 5x more scared to ever filter like that again.. thanks.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

Why should I read when there's such a thing called Youtube. It's visual, and really brings out the bright ones in this mess that is lane-splitting. I don't care if you can do it well.. there really isn't any logic in that, because they don't test your lane splitting skills when you get your license, do they? There are a lot dumb riders too, if lane splitting is legal, everyone will be doing it. Cali is nice and all but since your the only state in the US with it being legal it's really hard to make a point on it with out having to think about the other 49 states that can't do it.

okay. i'll keep playing. but it's starting to get old.

A) watching is not seeing. you can watch something without understanding why someone is doing something.
B) you are tested literally every time you ride. if you don't think lane splitting means avoiding people constantly trying to murder you, you are wrong. is it life threatening? absolutely. is it something that you can avoid if you are skilled, vigilant and careful? 100%.
C) literally the entire rest of the world lane splits. and it works out fine. so your logic doesn't pan out. there isn't a major difference between american roads and people and many other countries and peoples.

[alex.s]

have you never seen a motorcycle involved in a rear-end accident? i have been inches away from being rear ended twice. a brake light hit my leg. if i was in the center of the lane instead of off to the side i would have been sandwhiched between two cars.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

if i was in the center of the lane instead of off to the side i would have been sandwhiched between two cars.

What you just said backwards in your perspective: "If I stopped behind a car instead of off to the side I would have been sandwiched between two cars".. too.

It's such a weak pro of splitting. but brings us to arguing over and over the benefits again.. There actually seems like there are more cons than pro's in splitting, it's not justifiable, IMO, doesn't matter if you've been doing it all your life. You can look at a bodybuilder who's been doing steroids and keeping healthy his whole life but that just isn't good logic. Its like smoking. It doesn't kill most people but it messes up a whole lot.

[alex.s]

a decreased risk of accident is not justifiable?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

a decreased risk of accident is not justifiable?

Where's the wizard that told you this? I must have missed him

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

Where's the wizard that told you this? I must have missed him

the hurt report. which you have obviously not read.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

a decreased risk of accident is not justifiable?

Does he live in California by any chance?

[Brian]

Originally Posted by alex.s

the hurt report. which you have obviously not read.

I did read it, and again, read my post from before. It's a 32 year old study that was done in (drumroll) Cali... man.

Lane splitting is never mentioned anywhere in the Hurt Report, and all of the data was collected in California, so no comparison was made between of lane splitting vs. non-lane splitting

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Brian

I did read it, and again, read my post from before. It's a 32 year old study that was done in (drumroll) Cali... man.

Lane splitting is never mentioned anywhere in the Hurt Report, and all of the data was collected in California, so no comparison was made between of lane splitting vs. non-lane splitting

that is literally a quote directly from wikipedia, so lets quote that same page:

It is notable that the pre-crash motion of the motorcycle or scooter was lane-splitting in only 0.4% of cases, in contrast to the more common accident situations such as "Moving in a straight line, constant speed" 49.1% and "Negotiating a bend, constant speed" 12.1%. The motorcyclist was stopped in traffic prior to 2.8% of the accidents