January 10th, 2018, 05:14 AM | #1 |
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SSD Drives are fast...
... he says obviously. It was time to upgrade my circa 2011 main PC, so am now running on a more modern i7 7700k, 32 GB, 1 TB NVMe SSD, mid-range video card. Not surprisingly, it's significantly faster and more responsive for just about everything compared to what I was using. Up and running from a cold start in seconds instead of minutes, it was transformative.
What was surprising to me, is the sheer improvement available by using a modern SSD drive in an older PC. The main PC becomes a hand-me-down to the kids, and when freshly rebuilt from a blank new SSD drive, it too is incredibly fast and responsive. So much so - that I'm not sure the difference in processor or RAM I just paid for was worth it. I probably would have been just fine with a storage upgrade for a few more years. In raw specs, the SSD on the new PC is reading at 2500+ MB/s (~25 Gb/s) from the M.2 port , while the one in the old PC is a standard SATA III which is limited to 6 Gb/s, or 600 MB/s, about a quarter as fast. But in practice, the difference is not really noticeable - boot times are similar, responsiveness is similar. File copying tasks within the PC at 600 MB/s are blazing fast, and any copying over the network to the NAS or other PCs isn't able to go any faster than 100 MB/s (1 Gb/s), so there's no difference there either. In fact, the circa 2006 kids PC that was going to be a hand-me-down to either a recycling center or a spare in the attic, is now getting an SSD of its own to make it likely usable for a few more years. Other kid wants it to play with it, and there's no reason for me to say no. 500 GB drives are running at $140 at Amazon even without sales, so the price per GB is now more reasonable to use them for most general purpose storage on a PC.
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January 10th, 2018, 05:35 AM | #2 |
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My work laptop (MacBook Pro from probably 2011-2012) recently got an SSD upgrade and boot times are dramatically improved. Plus the battery lasts longer.
Home laptop (MacBook Pro, 2014) already has SSD in it. I recently upgraded to the new OS X, which has a revamped file system designed to take advantage of SSDs... and freed up a few dozen gigabytes of drive space simply by doing so. Pretty cool.
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January 10th, 2018, 06:43 AM | #3 |
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Picked up an original Crucial 6gb/sec ssd about 8 years ago when they were fresh on the market. Windows 7 was the first MS os with ssd functionality built in. The Crucial ssd was $1K then hahah, but it was worth it. That pc is still screaming fast today. People never realize how transformative an ssd is to system performance.
I took my laptop which was kind of cheap and put a SSD in it and now the whole thing just seems to scream. Of course I keep a separate traditional drive to store media on. You'll notice the higher end systems these days have two drives, one SSD for the OS and programs and the other for media storage.
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January 10th, 2018, 07:10 AM | #4 |
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Name: Chris (aka Reactor)
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Made the change a few years ago, never looked back. Glad the larger sizes are coming down in price.
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January 10th, 2018, 08:22 AM | #5 |
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I swap everything over to SSD anymore. The only spinners I have running are for backups.
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January 10th, 2018, 08:49 AM | #6 |
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Samsung will sell you a 4TB one for $1,500 if you still want to spend real money.
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January 10th, 2018, 10:07 AM | #7 | |
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January 10th, 2018, 05:11 PM | #8 |
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As an added benefit of technology improving over time, SSD's are much more reliable than they used to be:
https://techreport.com/review/27909/...heyre-all-dead Another drive as a local backup is still a good idea, but it's already a good idea with mechanical drives, anyway. |
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January 11th, 2018, 01:30 PM | #9 |
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As an IT guy, I concur that old PCs can be given new life with an SSD.
Samsungs even come with software to directly copy your old HDD to the new SDD. Amazing! |
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January 11th, 2018, 02:12 PM | #10 |
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Yep! (very) old PC is working great, and should be usable for a few more years. I didn't use any of the automated copy/transfer software for these, and just took it as an opportunity to start with fresh installs anyway. A tool can extract the windows key from existing environment, then can reinstall from scratch off a USB stick. I did realize that this machine doesn't have any wifi capability (thought it had an old one), so I need to get a few more gadgets popped on to it, as I can't easily run ethernet to the new location. There are cheap USB wifi adapters. But this box also doesn't have any USB 3.0 ports, so a small PCIe card with x5 3.0 ports will fix that issue. 2.0 would probably have been fine, but theoretically the wifi adapter can work at higher than USB 2.0 max bandwidth (480 Mb/s) with a strong connection, so USB 3.0 (5 Gb/s) will make sure it's not limited.
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January 11th, 2018, 03:15 PM | #11 |
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You MAY not experience true USB 3.0/3.1 performance with your older PC.
Quick glance: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewto...f=11&t=1183744 But, even a 2.0 USB wi-fi adapter will work just fine. |
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January 11th, 2018, 03:58 PM | #12 |
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It will be close, but you're right, it should work well enough either way. It's a PCIe 1x card for the USB 3.0 ports, that will cap it at that 2 Gb/s, rather than 5 Gb/s of the theoretical USB 3.0 limit. The wifi card is 600 mb/s total peak throughput, only 433 mb/s though on a single 5 ghz band. Slightly more than the USB 2.0 limit, way less than the practical speed of this USB 3.0 card, way way less than the theoretical speed of a full 3.0/3.1 port.
And now I've realized I've spent way too much time worrying about silly specs on a 12 year old PC that isn't even my kid's primary machine....
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January 14th, 2018, 01:00 PM | #13 |
ninjette.org sage
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Sata3 6gb/s came into play around 2009. Back then I got a kick ass motherboard with sata3 and it's still my primary system and it's still fast by today's standards. I used to be a PC gamer but I switched to consoles to get off the upgrade train. After I did that, I never had to upgrade my computer again. I suppose eventually the electrolytic caps on the motherboard are going to start to go.
But upgrading a non-sata3 system that is older seems slower and problematic.
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January 16th, 2018, 12:22 PM | #14 |
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Thinking about upgrading to a new M.2 board, but can't justify it right now.
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January 16th, 2018, 07:57 PM | #15 |
Certifiable nontundrum
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I don't know what y'all are yappin, but it sounds interesting
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January 22nd, 2018, 09:50 AM | #16 |
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Just upgraded storage in our Aurora data centre with new Nimble 300TB all-SSD unit (4 trays). Migrated 200+ servers over this weekend and managed to saturate all 4x10gb interfaces! sucker's fast!
Personally I still prefer FC for storage interfaces. But youngins nowadays, they want simplicity of iSCSI, bah! Get off my lawn!!! |
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January 23rd, 2018, 10:30 AM | #17 |
ninjette.org dude
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We went to all flash last year in main dc as well. Pricing got competitive faster than I had expected. Went from dozens and dozens of cabinets for storage down to less than a handful.
Started looking at low-end 10 Gb switches for home network, they are still too pricey. Looks like it will be a few years before replacing the 1 Gb switches and standard gig network adapters for the NAS & main PCs makes sense.
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January 31st, 2018, 12:38 PM | #18 |
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Switching to SSD was definitely life changing for me. I could never go back to a standard drive now for my personal computers. I might need to get a bigger one soon though.
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April 10th, 2018, 02:41 PM | #19 |
ninjette.org dude
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Swapped out the last PC that still needed a SSD yesterday. This was the first one that I did using the migration tools, rather than installing everything from scratch, as the machine was recently rebuilt and still pretty vanilla. The Samsung migration software worked exactly as designed, and it was a piece of cake. The SSD can be plugged right into a USB port with the right cable, and it dupes the existing drives onto the SSD. In this case, it was even reading from a RAID array of 2 drives, as one logical drive, and it had no trouble pointing to it and pulling everything over onto the SSD. After a few hours, I just yanked the power & data cables from the drives in the case, plugged the SSD in as the sole drive, and rebooted. It came up first try, no muss, no fuss.
Next project is to get some upgraded graphics cards in all generations of PCs around the house so we can have proper Fortnite battles. Most recent PC works great; the ones from a few years ago are passable, but would do well with an upgrade. The one from 2006 loads and works, but playing is very clunky. The recent XBox One controllers have standard bluetooth in them, so they can connect directly to a Win 10 PC with no cable or adapter needed.
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February 12th, 2019, 10:13 AM | #20 |
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Upgraded 2 older PCs with SSDs and RAM, both for "customers".
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February 22nd, 2019, 12:52 AM | #21 |
Livin' the Minimoto Life
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I snagged a new MSI gaming laptop here. I have the SSD for my OS and applications, with a traditional spindle for the rest of the storage. It boots insanely fast and write times to the HDD isn't bad either.
I love this laptop. I use this one for my IT stuff I'm doing right now. Running VM's and several linux items with some windows server stuff to mess with.
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February 23rd, 2019, 01:47 AM | #22 |
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And the good news is that pricing is now about half what it was a year ago when I started this thread. 500 MB Samsung 860 EVO is $75 now! 1 TB for < $150.
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February 23rd, 2019, 08:10 AM | #23 |
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I put my windows and what not on an SSD for my boot times, i still have 1TB and 500GB hard drives though for all the other stuff.
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